What about the Po-2?

[manintan2016]

Just wondering, is it possible to include the Polikarpov Po-2 in future modules? Nice to include the Night Witches in future modules.

[Custard]

I'd weep tears of joy, but unless the Ju-52 sold really well (and I don't think there's any evidence it has, but we've no way of knowing) I doubt we'll see it.

Edited March 10, 2017 by Custard

[Finkeren]

It's been brought up again and again.

 

I personally think the Po-2 is almost a necessity to accurately portray the Eastern Front, and I'd very much like to see it at some point.

 

It should also be fairly easy to model. The control supposedly were simple and there are quite a few of them still around and some still flying, so they are easy to document.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

It's about equality. It would just be Sexist not to have it. 

[CUJO_1970]

It is an aircraft that I want so badly in this sim...some aircraft just demand to be included in Eastern Front (as Ju-52 was) and none more so than Po-2.

[=38=Tatarenko]

I'd like it too and it was crucial on the Kuban map for Novaya Zemlya but I've tried it in a modded 1946 and it takes so long to get anywhere and the flak is so accurate in BOS that I wonder how much use it would see. I'd fly it a lot for a while, down railway lines, in between chimneys etc but after that it's hard to say. There's no real night fighting culture online here.

[Gambit21]

Storch - Po-2

[FTC_Etherlight]

From what I've seen about the effectiveness and importance of Ju-52's in the online campaigns and servers, I'd urge the developer to concentrate on the meat of the game: Fighters, Attackers, Bombers. Stuff like the PO-2 and the JU-52 are cute, but I don't see it bringing a lot to the table in the online environment, other than a few specifically tailored missions like FNBF. Sure if there's people twiddling there thumbs in the office, go for it, but otherwise? Meh.

[Avimimus]

Lisunov Li-2 would be an excellent (and well armed) counterpart to the Ju-52.

 

The Po-2 would be quite different of course (and benefit from Rise of Flight knowledge).

 

Honestly, I'd love to see a night bomber expansion.

 

These along with the Il-4, Pe-3 (common at Stalingrad and present at Moscow) are the glaring omissions for me. Although I'd also pre-order a Fw-189 or IAR-81!

 

From what I've seen about the effectiveness and importance of Ju-52's in the online campaigns and servers, I'd urge the developer to concentrate on the meat of the game: Fighters, Attackers, Bombers. Stuff like the PO-2 and the JU-52 are cute, but I don't see it bringing a lot to the table in the online environment, other than a few specifically tailored missions like FNBF. Sure if there's people twiddling there thumbs in the office, go for it, but otherwise? Meh.

 

Ah, but most people don't fly online.

[Gambit21]

From what I've seen about the effectiveness and importance of Ju-52's in the online campaigns and servers, I'd urge the developer to concentrate on the meat of the game: Fighters, Attackers, Bombers. Stuff like the PO-2 and the JU-52 are cute, but I don't see it bringing a lot to the table in the online environment, other than a few specifically tailored missions like FNBF. Sure if there's people twiddling there thumbs in the office, go for it, but otherwise? Meh.

 

Because everyone flies online?

[Finkeren]

From what I've seen about the effectiveness and importance of Ju-52's in the online campaigns and servers, I'd urge the developer to concentrate on the meat of the game: Fighters, Attackers, Bombers. Stuff like the PO-2 and the JU-52 are cute, but I don't see it bringing a lot to the table in the online environment, other than a few specifically tailored missions like FNBF. Sure if there's people twiddling there thumbs in the office, go for it, but otherwise? Meh.

The people who play online are a small fraction of the total number of players. The Po-2 would do a lot to flesh out the environment of the SP experience. The Po-2 was such an important and ever-present aircraft on the Eastern Front, that SP quite frankly feels empty without it.

[Gambit21]

Further I'd happily fly any of these online and don't care a lick about another's perceived effectiveness of said aircraft.

[Feathered_IV]

I'd happily pay premium prices for the Storch & Po2.

[Pail]

I'd be excited about a Po2.

 

Honestly....I feel a bit weird about the transports of the Nazi officer classes... (I know they were used for other things...)

 

I had a friend at school whose Dad was in the Spanish Legion on the Eastern Front....He could drive and was promoted to be the driver for some officer, mostly...I guess that's why he survived.

 

That is all.

[sinned]

Due to large number of people who couldnt put money into their mouth, this will porbably not happen.

 

Actual sales of JU52 compared to forum demand "I want Ju52" is a joke.

[Gambit21]

Actual sales of JU52 compared to forum demand "I want Ju52" is a joke.

So what are the Ju52 sales then?

[Gunsmith86]

I'd happily pay premium prices for the Storch & Po2.

me too

 

and i don´t believe that the Ju 52 sell that badly.

[Feathered_IV]

Actual sales of JU52 compared to forum demand "I want Ju52" is a joke.

You have no access to sales figures of any kind.

[sinned]

Gents, it is not difficult to infer.

 

If actual sales of Ju52 is in par with 1CGS reception of initial forum demand, we wont be even having this conversation.

There would have been an announcement about vvs side transportation plane?

 

Now, tell me, with Ju52 pre-order AND actual release date well behind us, is there an upcoming announcement?

 

Has there been an announcement?

 

Hopefully someone at cgs prove me wrong?

 

Finding someone to fly Ju52 together is a joke.

[sinned]

Look, all I am trying to say is as follows:

 

If you ask devs for distinctive new features and products in ADDITION to what you have purchased, back up the demand with action with money.

 

As someone who is in reward/risk profession, I feel horrible for the person who pushed for Ju52 development internally at 1CGS.

He must have taken a huge leap of faith with the forum community but may not have seen the fine prints of those demanders... "I would love to fly Ju52......!!!.........for free"

[Finkeren]

Gents, it is not difficult to infer.

 

If actual sales of Ju52 is in par with 1CGS reception of initial forum demand, we wont be even having this conversation.

There would have been an announcement about vvs side transportation plane?

 

Now, tell me, with Ju52 pre-order AND actual release date well behind us, is there an upcoming announcement?

 

Has there been an announcement?

 

Hopefully someone at cgs prove me wrong?

 

Finding someone to fly Ju52 together is a joke.

When the devs first released the Ju 52, they were already well underway in their work on BoK. Obviously they won't be dropping everything in their hands to suddenly go out and create a Po-2, no matter how well the Ju 52 sold.

 

Your logic is flawed. Just look at it from the other perspective: We can see online, that a large number of ppl fly the Yak-1B in MP, so obviously it has sold really well. Clearly there is a demand for later, more capable, VVS fighters, so why hasn't there yet been an announcement that the devs are creating the La-5FN as a collectors plane?

 

See, it doesn't work like that.

Edited March 11, 2017 by Finkeren

[sinned]

I summarized my point for a good reason and you dont seem to just get it.

 

Ju52, people cried it out for. Main reason why 1cgs developed it. Current state of Ju52 sales doesnt warrant a sequel.

 

Yak 1b is like fw190. Fw190 sold well, and there are more planes coming up.

 

Because fighter planes sell 'relatively' well, there has been clear indication of more premium fighter planes at BOK.

 

Ju52? Meh.

 

Why are people in flat denial that Ju52 sales has not been good enough to warrant another transport?

 

Out of guilt?

Edited March 11, 2017 by sinned

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Devs havent announced anything new yet because they have a long term development plan that has priority over other things. Kuban will occupy them for the entire year probably and the next theatre will need lots of preparation in order to suceed. Furthermore they already said that they probably had time to squeeze in some more collectors aircraft in the timeframe between Kuban and pacificdevelopment which shows they do consider it profitable.

 

Also Han said in the Q&A thread that the Li-2 could be considered for future developments.

 

You can not simply judge a buisness based on forun posts. Nobody but the company itself can make a viable statement about sales.

[Feathered_IV]

I summarized my point for a good reason and you dont seem to just get it.

 

Ju52, people cried it out for. Main reason why 1cgs developed it. Current state of Ju52 sales doesnt warrant a sequel.

 

Yak 1b is like fw190. Fw190 sold well, and there are more planes coming up.

 

Because fighter planes sell 'relatively' well, there has been clear indication of more premium fighter planes at BOK.

 

Ju52? Meh.

 

Why are people in flat denial that Ju52 sales has not been good enough to warrant another transport?

 

Out of guilt?

 

I doubt the devs made the Ju-52 because they really thought it would sell like the latest wet-dreamwaffe uber plane.  Rather, they would have made it because it made the game a richer experience overall for everybody.  Not just those who bought it.

[Finkeren]

I doubt the devs made the Ju-52 because they really thought it would sell like the latest wet-dreamwaffe uber plane. Rather, they would have made it because it made the game a richer experience overall for everybody. Not just those who bought it.

A-MEN!

[sinned]

5tuka, good points. I am sure Ju52 development will be a legacy discussion point at 1CGS in which "You can not simply judge a buisness based on forun posts".

 

Also, "Also Han said in the Q&A thread that the Li-2 could be considered for future developments" - another clear indication sales of transport plane has not met their projection. They are waiting for sales to stack up to make this a feasible idea.

The keyword here is "could be".

[sinned]

Feathered, some dude made a mistake of comparing a popular vvs fighter plane to Ju52. So i returned the favor by bringing FW190.

 

Bring your rebuttal at Fink.

 

Also, unless you are an idiot, you do not project sales of a niche product to a more popular, wider audience based product that is inevitably sell well. I think there are smart ppl at 1CGS.

 

If Ju52s primary purpose is to "because it made the game a richer experience overall for everybody", Jason should not have post the comment encourage more ppl to buy Ju52.

 

Remeber when Ju 52 was about to be released, and dev posts vclips asking "Everyone needs to buy what we offer"

 

Please..

 

Remember, Jasons time with us hinges on sales during his time. Not far from today.

 

People in this forum need to buy their shits they asked for.

 

 

 

One complement for you- your development of thinking was an improved attempt over other flat denials of inadequate sales of Ju52.

Edited March 11, 2017 by sinned

[Finkeren]

Sinned: Your perspective is completely black-or-white.

 

Either the devs made the Ju 52 for purely altruistic reasons to enhance the game experience and thus don't care at all about sales.

 

Or they made the Ju 52 for purely commercial reasons, only because they thought it would sell well, and thus only care about sales numbers.

 

Is it possible, that the truth lies somewhere between those two extremes?

[sinned]

Sinned: Your perspective is completely black-or-white.

 

Either the devs made the Ju 52 for purely altruistic reasons to enhance the game experience and thus don't care at all about sales.

 

Or they made the Ju 52 for purely commercial reasons, only because they thought it would sell well, and thus only care about sales numbers.

 

Is it possible, that the truth lies somewhere between those two extremes?

Money is quite black and white. Thats where I come from.

Yes, i personally think one of the goals for ju52 development, along with sales, bring the community and get back the trust. Jason commented this as his goal.

 

That said, sales is the ultimatum.

Bringing back old community in hopes of it transposes into 1946 like sales.

BOK is another fitting example.

It may not bring the sales they need due to limited audience theatre, they are developing it as a stepstone to Pacific where it is perceived as blue ocean.

 

How great the game or flight sim is with addition of immersive plane set, it means nada to investors who pay their hard earned money for this product that is meant to make money. No sales, no investor, no product. This should be quite black and white to where you come from too.

 

 

Hence, people need to put their money where their mouth is.

 

 

Hopefully, 1CGS cares MORE about enhancing game experience to ever ungrateful customers than sales, so they develop more transport planes.

Edited March 11, 2017 by sinned

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

I think some planes are more necessary, DB3, I15, etc We need the Barbarossa module.

[CUJO_1970]

Devs havent announced anything new yet because they have a long term development plan that has priority over other things. Kuban will occupy them for the entire year probably and the next theatre will need lots of preparation in order to suceed. Furthermore they already said that they probably had time to squeeze in some more collectors aircraft in the timeframe between Kuban and pacificdevelopment which shows they do consider it profitable.

 

 

I would say this is the answer. Team is driving, focused toward goal of completing Kuban - and so far they have released things ahead of schedule - something that is practically unheard of in flight sims.

 

Sometimes it has nothing to do with money and everything to do with priorities.

[CUJO_1970]

As far as Ju-52 popularity? We know nothing about sales.

 

However, there is a 6-page thread here on the front page full of screen shots and videos of Ju-52 being used both on and offline, if you want to see more go to screenshots/video page.

[sinned]

Thats right. Sometimes priority procedes money. Go buy ju52. That is your priority (no specific person).

 

And Cujo, remember, no forum should be a base of business judgement

[Gambit21]

I summarized my point for a good reason and you dont seem to just get it.

 

 

With respect, Fink's reading comprehension isn't the problem here.

Please stop acting like you have a clue about sales - you don't.

 

The team has their head down focused on Kuban.

Only after release, or when it's nearly released at the earliest, will they consider or announce 2 new premium aircraft before moving to PTO

 

I think it's you "doesn't get" some extremely clear and well thought out typing of obvious meaning by the devs or you'd know this like the rest of us do.

 

Further you tell Cujo that no forum should be used as a business judgment, while at the same time you're using a forum as a basis for a sales figure, never mind

that if anything, said forum seems to indicate the opposite of what your attempting to convey.

 

That's called irony.

[Lusekofte]

I would love to have the PO 2, but I would also love a LI 2/ C 47 for transport. Russian plane set lags behind in so many ways, a PO 2 almost seems to be luxury to think about

[Gambit21]

I think there are plenty of us who appreciate game play options beyond shooting and bombing, and the number of people posting in praise of the Ju52 seems to support

this. I think a Russian transport is a great idea, as is the PO-2 and Storch as they would all add elements to the game that are not currently present,

 

Whereas a new 109 really doesn't do anything to grow the sim.

I will pay for a G6 to support the team and further development if that's the decision, but I won't be thrilled about it.

[busdriver]

I would NOT buy the Po-2. I did buy 4 gift licenses of the Ju-52 at Christmas and two of them have NOT been activated. I did not buy a Ju-52 license for my own use.

 

The Devs have to weigh their options, and I find sinned's logic reasonable WRT spending time and resources on a niche airplane in a niche franchise. I suspect sinned is also correct about the less than hoped for sales of the Ju-52.

 

I respect the posters and their opinions that disagree with sinned, I tend to agree with his opinion. I think we all want the Devs to do well and grow their franchise, IMO adding the Po-2 would hinder that goal.

[Gambit21]

The Devs have to weigh their options, and I find sinned's logic reasonable WRT spending time and resources on a niche airplane in a niche franchise. 

 

Sinned has no real logic so to speak - nothing but conjecture.

I do concede that a Storch or P0-2 would sell far fewer units than a G6.

That's obvious...so from a pure revenue standpoint I can't argue.

 

From a growth standpoint as far as variety, can't argue with a Storch or P0-2.

Revenue though might win out, and I wouldn't argue with that decision.

[busdriver]

Sinned has no real logic so to speak - nothing but conjecture.

 

 

Respectfully, his conjecture is extremely logical to me. Does he have irrefutable proof (sales numbers for the Ju-52)? No. But I agree with his logic. I think the Po-2 would be a waste of time and effort, unless it's strictly an AI target.

[sinned]

Gambit21, go re-read lines of rebuttals used against my opinion and you will see the irony in "no forum should be used as a business judgment".

I used that my own line that may seem contradictory for a good reason.

 

Quoting busdriver, i shouldve brought that up but i didnt know the final figure who accepted. Asked ju52 as gift, got them for "free" and never activating is also a joke. I was so upset when i read that months back. I commented with profanity and it got editted.

That was an act of generosity and ppl took advantage left and right.

I wonder, of those who activatehow many took more than an hr to fly Ju52?

 

Imagine the population who asked for ju52 to dev and never followed up with a purchase.

 

 

Wake up folks and stop the denials.

It doesnt help devs.

 

 

Its all about the money. If not, get your wallet open and buy those Ju52 and some more extra.

 

 

... gift them and see how many actually use them?

Edited March 11, 2017 by sinned