Impressions of post-2.008 AI

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Hey guys.

 

Discuss your impressions of the changes made to AI in the 2.008 patch here.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I haven't noticed too much of a difference yet... but I only had a short chance to fly last night.

 

What have you found?

[EAF_51_FOX]

why this tread has been opened without noting inside from autor? seem to me insn't been opened from a moderator neither an admin of this forum.what a mess.

 

Mr space_ghost, remember that there is specific section where to post impression about new patches, don't you know ? .

Edited March 1, 2017 by EAF_51_FOX

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

why this tread has been opened without noting inside from autor? seem to me insn't been opened from a moderator neither an admin of this forum.what a mess.

 

Mr space_ghost, remember that there is specific section where to post impression about new patches, don't you know ? .

 

Specific features or changes are regularly discussed in threads outside of the DD or update threads.

 

Quit with the polemic and stop trolling my posts.   

 

"What a mess. They really don't send their best. SAD!"

I haven't noticed too much of a difference yet... but I only had a short chance to fly last night.

 

What have you found?

 

I haven't noticed anything too substantial either, hence I opened a discussion to see what others impressions were.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Original_Uwe]

why this tread has been opened without noting inside from autor? seem to me insn't been opened from a moderator neither an admin of this forum.what a mess.

 

Mr space_ghost, remember that there is specific section where to post impression about new patches, don't you know ? .

Reported.

 

I haven't noticed much of a difference but I rarely play outside 1v1 or 1v2 duels.

[Lusekofte]

I flew some missions to test the LA 5f and FW 190 a5 . PE 2 turned and banked but tried to stay in formation. When I flew the LA 5 the IL 2 I suppose to escort stole 3 of my kills   But I did not put ordinance on them, so I think they believed they where fighters

[Bando]

I have not flown yet, but I will report once I do.

[Dakpilot]

I read a report in another thread that someone doing one of the SP campaigns had trouble with one of the missions due to AI ganging up, he said post patch this behaviour had changed and he was now able to complete the mission and felt he genuinely saw a difference in AI behaviour

 

just can't remember where i read it   

 

Not had a chance to test properly myself yet

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I read a report in another thread that someone doing one of the SP campaigns had trouble with one of the missions due to AI ganging up, he said post patch this behaviour had changed and he was now able to complete the mission and felt he genuinely saw a difference in AI behaviour

 

just can't remember where i read it   

 

Not had a chance to test properly myself yet

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

Thanks Dak, that's reassuring to hear.

[kendo]

I read a report in another thread that someone doing one of the SP campaigns had trouble with one of the missions due to AI ganging up, he said post patch this behaviour had changed and he was now able to complete the mission and felt he genuinely saw a difference in AI behaviour

 

just can't remember where i read it   

 

Not had a chance to test properly myself yet

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

....in the main DD reply thread

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27941-game-version-2008-discussion-he-111-h-16-fw-190-5-la-5-m-82f/?p=447480

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

....in the main DD reply thread

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/27941-game-version-2008-discussion-he-111-h-16-fw-190-5-la-5-m-82f/?p=447480

 

Thanks Kendo.

 

This is the exact reason I chose to open a discussion thread - I simply don't have time to read every one of (up to that point) 117 posts to cull them for relevant information.

[EAF_51_FOX]

Yust was to try feel you same behaviour like you often tend to use m8..   whish now you can more understand that ForumS aren't infact a polemic arena, but just a place where discuss in respect of other people's opinion. Cheers and have a nice day my friend.  

[Gambit21]

Beat it

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Yust was to try feel you same behaviour like you often tend to use m8..   whish now you can more understand that ForumS aren't infact a polemic arena, but just a place where discuss in respect of other people's opinion. Cheers and have a nice day my friend.

 

Sorry, Fox but I didn't "feel" anything.

 

Sarcasm musn't be a thing wherever you're from.

[Lusekofte]

Well what I get from this is development of AI behaviour , No AI in any game was ever a genius . I think this is the greatest challenge in flight simulator. The best we ever can hope for is continuous development . In QMB I did not see a ganging pattern for the 3 hours I flew, I almost exclusively fly bombers , so I found myself amused by how rubbish shot I was in both FW 190 A5 and LA 5F . But how quickly I improved. Never really had so much fun in single player ever.

[Gambit21]

I'm still noticing AI ganging up on the player in my current Ju52 mission (not the mission I was posting before, still have to test that one again)

[LLv24_Zami]

Personally I haven`t seen any AI ganging in my SP missions so far after the patch. Let`s hope it is gone at least for the most part. Overall I am quite pleased with AI improvements over last two patches.

[sinned]

Hey you, non vkb owner,

Why dont you post your own view and reflection first instead of "post here"?

[Editd]

Edited March 3, 2017 by Bearcat

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Hey you, non vkb owner,

 

Why dont you post your own view and reflection first instead of "post here"?

 

[Edited]

 

Because I'm an IT professional with two kids who doesn't always have time to test things?

 

You could contribute to the thread but you chose not to - thanks. 

Edited March 3, 2017 by Bearcat

[sinned]

Because I'm an IT professional with two kids who doesn't always have time to test things?

 

You could contribute to the thread but you chose not to - thanks.

I am waiting for Pacific.

 

Pls stop being such a meanie.

 

 

KNOCK IT OFF.

Edited March 3, 2017 by Bearcat

[Blooddawn1942]

While testing the FW 190 A5 and the La 5F yesterday, I've noticed that my wingmen were far more aggressive and took the initiative more then before since the update.

They strafed ground targets and attacked enemy AC like never before. I like this new aggressive behavior. I don't feel like a one man show with background actor wingmen accompany me anymore. Even if they tend to 'steal' my kills. I don't care as long as we win the fight.

[Scojo]

I am waiting for Pacific.

 

Pls stop being such a meanie.

Guy is rude towards OP. Gets offended when OP returns the favor. WAT?

 

The narcissism is real.

 

I appreciate your post, Ghost. I feel like specific discussions always help. Feedback is important and so is organizing that feedback well.

 

I haven't had time to fly SP yet, but I will give my thoughts as soon as I get to do a few sorties in PWCG

[Gambit21]

Pls stop being such a meanie.

 

[Gambit21]

After more testing, including the Ju52 mission (flight of 10 Ju52's) that caused me to report this issue in the first place, I can confirm that the AI no longer gangs up on the player.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

After more testing, including the Ju52 mission (flight of 10 Ju52's) that caused me to report this issue in the first place, I can confirm that the AI no longer gangs up on the player.

 

Excellent news.

[BlitzPig_EL]

I'll try to give it a try between now and the end of the weekend.

 

The "steel snake" campaign mission was always a nightmare as every 109 would chase my poor I-16 and my wingmen were off doing heaven knows what.

 

1 vs. 1 I can deal with an E7 but 1 vs. the entire Luftwaffe is a bit more dicey.

[Tuesday]

I wanted to try out the new A5 by shooting down the new 111 a few times in QMB, and was amazed to find the 111 flying like a fighter.

[unreasonable]

All the bombers do that in QMB, unfortunately. Which is why rolling the old campaign mission generator into the QMB would make sense.

[Thad]

While testing the FW 190 A5 and the La 5F yesterday, I've noticed that my wingmen were far more aggressive and took the initiative more then before since the update.

They strafed ground targets and attacked enemy AC like never before. I like this new aggressive behavior. I don't feel like a one man show with background actor wingmen accompany me anymore. Even if they tend to 'steal' my kills. I don't care as long as we win the fight.

Salutations,

 

If your report is accurate the AI changes are most laudable and will add to the realism of IL2. This is good news.

[busdriver]

While testing the FW 190 A5 and the La 5F yesterday, I've noticed that my wingmen were far more aggressive and took the initiative more then before since the update.

They strafed ground targets and attacked enemy AC like never before. I like this new aggressive behavior. I don't feel like a one man show with background actor wingmen accompany me anymore. Even if they tend to 'steal' my kills. I don't care as long as we win the fight.

I've not had the same experience WRT ground attack missions. Could have been my choice of Orders>>Attack Nearest Ground Target when we were about 1 km from our target airfield. My flight broke right as a formation and climbed up to orbit 5 km from the target amongst our escort without dropping their bombs. On my next sortie I tried Orders>>Do Like Me. They all bombed but missed our target (artillery). I was unable to get them to reattack (perhaps the enemy AI around the target prevented this). I made three additional passes and tried Orders>>Do Like Me prior to each pass without any luck. Perhaps there is a parameter I didn't satisfy when I gave the order.

 

Good news however...the enemy AI didn't gang up on me. This is a great change. Plus my P-40 flight members attacked and downed two 109s.

 

All in all, I appreciate the AI change and agree I don't feel like a one man show anymore (except for ground attack).

Edited March 3, 2017 by busdriver

[EAF_51_FOX]

Sorry, Fox but I didn't "feel" anything.

 

Sarcasm musn't be a thing wherever you're from.

 

Not exactly my friend.. it is probably because that you just can't understand about this.

Edited March 3, 2017 by EAF_51_FOX

[Gambit21]

Drift

[Bearcat]

I have sent out a few PMs to a few posters in this thread concerning confrontational behavior. I hope that is the end of it.

[Major_Hero]

How Good is that A5 to fly huh?

 

There's just an annoying bar in the way, but it's so much fun!

 

8-P

[Guest deleted@50488]

It's SUPERB!

 

But my preferred aircraft all time, my Go-To fighter is still the 1st release of this IL.2 brand... the LagG3 :-)

[Guest deleted@30725]

After more testing, including the Ju52 mission (flight of 10 Ju52's) that caused me to report this issue in the first place, I can confirm that the AI no longer gangs up on the player.

 

Woohoo! Time to re-start the campaign! Maybe it will be a bit more fun this time.

Edited March 3, 2017 by deleted@30725

[RedeyeStorm]

I play solo all the time and in my games I found that the ai attacks ground targets just fine. I use only the 'attack nearest ground target'. It may seem that the ai does nothing but there are two reasons for that. One is that the ai takes it time. The ai climbs to its attack altitude and flies a pattern around the targets and attack from one direction, one after the other. Us impatient human pilots do not take so much time. I found that I can make two to three attack runs before the ai roles in. The second reason is that all the ai target one ground object. If you manage to destroy that target the AI aborts and you need to order them again. If you play with markers on you would see that one objective has a squire bracket around it. That is the target the ai will go for. If you ignore that one you will find that your AI buddies take it out.

[busdriver]

I play solo all the time and in my games I found that the ai attacks ground targets just fine. I use only the 'attack nearest ground target'. It may seem that the ai does nothing but there are two reasons for that. One is that the ai takes it time. The ai climbs to its attack altitude and flies a pattern around the targets and attack from one direction, one after the other. Us impatient human pilots do not take so much time. I found that I can make two to three attack runs before the ai roles in. The second reason is that all the ai target one ground object. If you manage to destroy that target the AI aborts and you need to order them again. If you play with markers on you would see that one objective has a squire bracket around it. That is the target the ai will go for. If you ignore that one you will find that your AI buddies take it out.

Much obliged. I'll check that out and report back.

[Thad]

I play solo all the time and in my games I found that the ai attacks ground targets just fine. I use only the 'attack nearest ground target'. It may seem that the ai does nothing but there are two reasons for that. One is that the ai takes it time. The ai climbs to its attack altitude and flies a pattern around the targets and attack from one direction, one after the other. Us impatient human pilots do not take so much time. I found that I can make two to three attack runs before the ai roles in. The second reason is that all the ai target one ground object. If you manage to destroy that target the AI aborts and you need to order them again. If you play with markers on you would see that one objective has a squire bracket around it. That is the target the ai will go for. If you ignore that one you will find that your AI buddies take it out.

Thanks, this is good to know. Copied and pasted for reference.

[busdriver]

As a followup to Redeye Storm's post. I just flew and recorded a BoM P-40 mission. Our flight of four was assigned to strafe a supply column, we had an escort of four other P-40s. Approaching the target I gave the order to Attack Nearest Ground Target while I remained in level flight passing several km beyond the target area.

 

My flight flung their bombs in steep banks (30-60 degrees) not steep dives, more than 2 km prior to reaching the target.

 

 

 

I returned and dropped. My flight stayed in the vicinity of the target as I frequently repeated Attack Nearest Ground Target while I flew "dry" passes over the target or flew a wide orbit. Finally I strafed but none of my flight strafed. I got the mission complete message and fairly quickly all three flew into the ground.

 

 

 

If you notice on the horizon you'll see the chevrons of my icon over the red squares of the target column about 1 km away.

 

The good news, is one of my wingmen destroyed a 109 after dropping his bomb (nowhere near the target), and the 109s didn't gang up on me. Not so good news...I did watch four 109s land or try to. They had been fighting us near/over their airfield. Two of them kept "going around" (rejected/balked landing) even while in the landing flair.