Possible FM problem?

[Irgendjemand]

Check out this Track. Plane hardly controllable. Rudder uncontrollable was moving to right and left on its own. Wobbleing the aeilron left and right somewhat helped to stabilize for landing.

Definately dint feel plausible...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3gadycfbeu62861/Tracks.zip?dl=0

 

EDIT: updated Link to complete Trackfiles

Edited February 23, 2017 by Irgendjemand

[unreasonable]

To read tracks you need the .trk file and also the folder with the same name that contains various files.  

 

Anyway, generally if you want feedback you have to do the work: in other words provide a video.  

[curiousGamblerr]

 

 

Rudder uncontrollable was moving to right and left on its own.

 

Did you take damage? I've had this happen once in a 109 F-4 after taking damage. I chocked it up to the control cables/rods being destroyed, leaving the rudder flapping in the wind. I never got the chance to land because my assailant came and finished me off while I was trying to descend with some semblance of control, but I doubt I would have pulled it off, I was wobbling everywhere.

 

+1 on providing a video- I usually browse the forums on a different machine than I play, so I'm unlikely to install a track when I return to my gaming machine. I would gladly watch a video, however.

[Irgendjemand]

yes i was shot before. The rudder didnt respond anymore. But it started to move to the left and right without input and rendered the plane oscillating to the left and right and gradually increasing leaving the plane flying almost sideways:) Riddiculously funny. If you dont have to land such a plane:).
When I get home ill zip the remaining files and re-upload.

Youll see. I am no pilot but this looks plain wrong. As always I am happy to learn something. In case there is something to learn:)

Edited February 22, 2017 by Irgendjemand

[curiousGamblerr]

yes i was shot before. The rudder didnt respond anymore. But it started to move to the left and right without input and rendered the plane oscillating to the left and right and gradually increasing leaving the plane flying almost sideways:) Riddiculously funny. If you dont have to land such a plane:).

When I get home ill zip the remaining files and re-upload.

Youll see. I am no pilot but this looks plain wrong. As always I am happy to learn something. In case there is something to learn:)

 

Sounds exactly like what happened to me then. I'm not sure what would have happened in real life if you rudder controls were cut while deflecting.

 

On the face of it, I would expect the oscillations to die down. In the 109, with such engine torque, however, maybe it would keep swinging back and forth, since the engine would pull it one way, causing it to deflect opposite and pull the other way, perpetuating the oscillation.

 

But I'm also not a pilot or aerospace expert so I have no real idea either. Maybe someone with knowledge will see your track and chime in.

[Irgendjemand]

Sounds exactly like what happened to me then. I'm not sure what would have happened in real life if you rudder controls were cut while deflecting.

 

On the face of it, I would expect the oscillations to die down. In the 109, with such engine torque, however, maybe it would keep swinging back and forth, since the engine would pull it one way, causing it to deflect opposite and pull the other way, perpetuating the oscillation.

 

But I'm also not a pilot or aerospace expert so I have no real idea either. Maybe someone with knowledge will see your track and chime in.

 

Aye am curious too. Guess there will be some answers once ive posted the remaining trackfiles.

 

EDIT: Here is the Trackfile and needed contents.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3gadycfbeu62861/Tracks.zip?dl=0

Edited February 22, 2017 by Irgendjemand

[BlitzPig_EL]

If you take your feet off the virtual rudder pedals in flight does the rudder start oscillating wildly on it's own?

 

No.

 

Because the airflow over the rudder forces it to align with the apparent wind.  It's the same force that makes other controls stiffen as speed increases.  I can see how taking damage to the control mechanism could jam the rudder, or other control surfaces in the position they were in at the time, but a fluttering rudder seems a bit off to me.  The aircraft in the sim do not operate in the trans sonic region where something like this might be a possibility.

 

Perhaps this is another artifact of he problem the game engine has with rudder induced roll coupling?

Edited February 23, 2017 by BlitzPig_EL

[Arsenal53]

I do not think it is the rudder that causes the oscillations, visually it gives the impression rather that it floats in the air following the oscillations of the fuselage ... equally strange and unrealistic. Can we say that this oscillation is a scripted reaction after the damage? And that the rudder responds to this oscillation because of the cut cables? This ignores the air flow associated with the speed and the propeller

[Willy__]

I had that problem a very long time ago. I got shot and lost control of the rudder, but it was still there, flaping around like crazy. The plane was wobbling a lot but I could keep in control until I decided to slow down to land and then I lost control. At that time I watched the track and could see the same exactly problem you guys are describing. Dont know why it happens and I couldnt reproduce it again.

 

-edit-

I was in a 109.

Edited February 24, 2017 by JAGER_Staiger

[Irgendjemand]

I had that problem a very long time ago. I got shot and lost control of the rudder, but it was still there, flaping around like crazy. The plane was wobbling a lot but I could keep in control until I decided to slow down to land and then I lost control. At that time I watched the track and could see the same exactly problem you guys are describing. Dont know why it happens and I couldnt reproduce it again.

 

-edit-

I was in a 109.

 

 

The occasion shown in the track was the second time i had this behavior.

First time was in an E7 but a while back. Behaved just like this.

Really, really strange. Having my feet on the rudder of off the rudder didnt change anything. Was like the cables that usually control the rudder were cut.

Like said. You can get the plane under control by yanking the aeilrons left and right in high frequency. I did that and was able to land it on its wheels. Sadly I killed the prop.

The guys that were with me in TS were thining I was whanking because it made me breathe hard and sweat to yank it this fast so i could stabilize the plane somewhat:P

 

Edited March 1, 2017 by Irgendjemand