what CPU should i get for IL-2?

[Riderocket]

so my cousin gave me his old PC, to use for IL-2, its got.

 

Intel Pentium G3258: @ 3.2GHz with 2 Cores, 2 Threads, 3MB cache and 5 GT/s DMI2 Bus Speed.

 

GTX 750: with 512 Cuda Cores @ 1085MHz Boost Clock with 1GB GDDR5, 5.0 Gbps, 128-bit.

 

2x4GB 1400MHz Ram.

 

i had a look inside the computer and found the CPU doesn't have much thermal paste left, so the CPU tends to get very very hot. i'm not sure how long it has been like this, but the frame-rate is only around 20-40 fps.

 

so i'm thinking about replacing the CPU and getting some high grade thermal paste, but the motherboard only supports 1150 sockets, and I've only got around $130 NZD to spend on a new CPU (90-100 USD).

 

so my question is... what CPU do i get? i'm thinking of maybe a slight upgrade to a Intel Pentium G3260. becuase the G3258 is a decent CPU, its just a little damaged from old age and heat.

 

would the G3260 run IL-2 good?

 

  

[SJ_Butcher]

where do you plan to buy it? some sites that you can trow us to see it?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

My honest opinion: Save up more money - at least 100USD more. Your intended upgrade path is going to limit you and will not produce the same return on value as buying a better chip.

 

Definitely look for a quad-core CPU with clock speeds at or above 3.4GHz.

 

4th or 6th Gen Intel Core processors seem to be a favorite of IL-2.

Edited February 21, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[Riderocket]

where do you plan to buy it? some sites that you can trow us to see it?

Being from new Zealand, makes things a little hard to buy computer components, especially with a 1150 socket.

My honest opinion: Save up more money - at least 100USD more. Your intended upgrade path is going to limit you and will not produce the same return on value as buying a better chip.

 

Definitely look for a quad-core CPU with clock speeds at or above 3.4GHz.

 

4th or 6th Gen Intel Core processors seem to be a favorite of IL-2.

Yes. I might save up for a little longer and get myself a decent i5/i7 quad core CPU

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Simple answer highest clock 4 core Intel CPU. New brand ofc. Can't get wrong with that, don't be fulled by amd fan boys, if on budget seek model with higher oc potential.

 

1150 socket?? I5 2500k can go as 4,6 on good air cooler (noctua).

Edited February 22, 2017 by 307_Tomcat

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Simple answer highest clock 4 core Intel CPU. New brand ofc. Can't get wrong with that, don't be fulled by amd fan boys, if on budget seek model with higher oc potential.

 

1150 socket?? I5 2500k can go as 4,6 on good air cooler (noctua).

 

I thought the 2500K is 1155 - I used to have one a couple of rigs back but I can't remember.

 

Yes, it is 1155: http://ark.intel.com/products/52210/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-Processor-6M-Cache-up-to-3_70-GHz

Edited February 22, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Oh sorry my mistake, this means it could be newer than Sandy bridge yes?

[Dakpilot]

Look around for a secondhand 3570K  if you can find one at a reasonable price that would do fine, if the MB supports itm should do tho

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

1150 socket means that you can get 4th Generation Haswell. I'm having such CPU, for almost 4 years have been running under the hood Core i5 4670. However as the motherboard is quite rubbish and all the ram I have is out of line, I am going to change the whole platform for new AMD Ryzen in about a month or so. And if anything dont listen to anyone who tells you avoid AMD (or Intel since other side of the barricade is equally blind). Always choose whats best price to performance for you, regardless of brand. Had Phenom II before i5 4670 and cant say a bad word about it and AMD. Neither can I say a bad word about Intel.

 

Also, you should take a look for second hand cpus. There are often great offers on ebay for a used CPU. You can even get 4790k for less than 150 $ once in a while. Of course no warranty but being in your spot I'd buy best possible, even used. Some still ride on 2500k or 2600k and OC it like crazy. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Do note - AMD generally offers less performance for a cheaper price... Especially when it comes to sim gaming.

 

What you may gain from AMD's cheap, plentiful, high clock-speed cores is not the superior single core performance that you will get from an Intel platform.

 

We can talk "sides of the fence" all day long but real world performance and numbers don't lie.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Space_Ghost

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

You refer to FX processors I assume. In this case yes, they have low IPC and single core performance leaves something to be desired. But its exaggeration to say "AMD generally". Nothing was lacking there in Athlon 64 or Phenom II times. New Ryzen also doesnt seem to be lacking much. 

 

But thats not really important here. He is not considering change of his platform but merely cpu. And for 1150 getting a decent Haswell should not be a problem, particularly if one can strike a great deal on ebay.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

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But thats not really important here. He is not considering change of his platform but merely cpu.

 

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No, no... I agree with you entirely...

 

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And if anything dont listen to anyone who tells you avoid AMD (or Intel since other side of the barricade is equally blind).

 

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But nobody else brought AMD up nor did I say this... You did.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Can't get wrong with that, don't be fulled by amd fan boys, if on budget seek model with higher oc potential.

 

Tomcat did. 

[BeastyBaiter]

I recommend a Haswell I5 too. My I5-4690 (non-k) has worked wonderfully for 3 years and provides excellent performance. You won't find them new, but I'm sure there are at least a few out there as second hand parts. You will find that your GPU is very limiting too though.

 

In regards to AMD, the FX processors are junk, that's well established and AMD has suffered horribly because of it. However, their older CPU's were typically at least competitive, if not outright superior (even when ignoring price) for most of their history. The new Ryzen line is fairly intriguing too. The artificial benchmarks shown so far have them smoking Intel's entire lineup, and at a much cheaper price. But those are cherry picked artificial benchmarks, we'll have to see how they do in actual games before true performance can be determined. It does look promising though.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Don't be fulled into AMD, this is not only my opinion. Amd PR olways did said this new generation will offer same or better performance that Intel counterpart, and fails especially in games, again and again. In the best case amd can unzip file 5 sec faster but max performance in BOS is what make difference.

[Dakpilot]

What was left out/avoided in Ryzen launch benchmarks was telling, in gaming they put it up against the slowest IPC intel chip

 

But for commercial use against high end X99 systems it will be a winner price and performance wise,

 

edit to my earlier post, I did not notice that Intel Pentium G3258 is that modern, and part of Haswell family, which are still relevant in performance capabilities in higher end models as said above

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Why all this false agenda Tomcat ? Seriously ? While it is true that AMD FX CPU's (starting from original Bulldozer arch and ending on recent Excavator upgrade) are much inferior to Intel in single threaded operations and even in many multi threaded, that was not the case with their former architectures. But I admit, FX is pretty crap. Hence why I sit on a decent Haswell. 

 

Amd PR olways did said this new generation will offer same or better performance that Intel counterpart, and fails especially in games, again and again.

*always

And that is a blatant lie. When released over a decade ago Athlon 64 x2 simply blew away Intel competition proving that Pentium 4, even with HT was outdated. Even "freshly" released Pentium 4 EE was slower than Athlon 64 FX-55 - in both games and synthetics. Phenom II released 7+ years ago remained a very competitive product, superior to Core 2 Quad (particularly Phenom II's which could take advantage of DDR3) and could stay in range of more modern Nehalem Core i7.

 

In the best case amd can unzip file 5 sec faster but max performance in BOS is what make difference.

What makes difference is performance across the board, unless someone buys a complete rig for a single, specific game. Which is unheard of. And in above case its not even a change of rig but merely a change of cpu on same platform.

This days cores start making difference in games too, not only frequency at which CPU runs :  https://videocardz.com/66354/core-count-vs-frequency-what-matters-for-gaming

 

Afaik, its funny to talk about AMD PR bad practices when in last 4-5 years it was Intel that was continuously caught on bribing partners not to buy AMD products, especially in mobile market. Check the articles about how Intel was paying tablet makers to use their chips. 

 

 

 

What was left out/avoided in Ryzen launch benchmarks was telling, in gaming they put it up against the slowest IPC intel chip

 

What slowest IPC chips ? Core i7 6900k, 6800k ? That's like Broadwell-E. Hardly slowest IPC chip when there are still people sitting on older 2500k/2600k. Also, its not easy to make valid gaming tests. It was pretty obvious that none of the leaks would include those since its so much easier to use synthetic benches. 

Edited February 24, 2017 by =LD=Hiromachi

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Whatever dud, gamers will decide. I had amd products and never was satisfied.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

In the end closer and better competition will benefit us all

Edited February 24, 2017 by 307_Tomcat

[Sokol1]

Riderocket

 

Buy a new last gen "top of line" CPU and new MB like people are advising is the best option, no doubt.

 

But, if money is problem, the first thing you should do is identify what is the motherboard model/brand and if their BIOS (check for updates in manufacturer page) allow you use a i5/i7 1150.

If is a generic no name brand, no worth invest, sell that computer - or donate then.

 

Probable you will find CPU for this 1150 socket only used, but if MB is good and support a i5/i7 3.4 will be a good improvement relative to G3258, you spend less and can invest in a better VGA.

[Riderocket]

Thanks guys for all your tips and answers

Edited February 26, 2017 by Riderocket

[Riderocket]

Riderocket

 

Buy a new last gen "top of line" CPU and new MB like people are advising is the best option, no doubt.

 

But, if money is problem, the first thing you should do is identify what is the motherboard model/brand and if their BIOS (check for updates in manufacturer page) allow you use a i5/i7 1150.

If is a generic no name brand, no worth invest, sell that computer - or donate then.

 

Probable you will find CPU for this 1150 socket only used, but if MB is good and support a i5/i7 3.4 will be a good improvement relative to G3258, you spend less and can invest in a better VGA.

The Motherboard is a Gigabyte, GA-H81M-S2H.

I had the computer custom built on www.mightyape.co.nz

(For my cousin many years ago)

Edited February 26, 2017 by Riderocket

[Lusekofte]

I got a i7 2,8 , when I checked if I could run the new 10 series of nvidia I had to change my motherboard rendering a price that was over half the price of buying a new PC . So in my world there are never a easy answer about upgrading a PC. 

I had a new one if it had not been for the fact that BOS run easier now, and it takes DCS pretty well. 

Upgrading a mediacore pc I would advise you to do it cheap as  possible and just enough for your goal

[Riderocket]

i recently got more thermal paste for my CPU, and now i'm getting a constant 60fps!! no need to buy a new CPU. thermal paste was the magic potion   

 

also i can now overclock my CPU to 4+ ghz

Edited March 2, 2017 by Riderocket