Developer Diary, Part 149 - Discussion

[chiliwili69]

I think the same, binoculars could be the best choice:

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26249-zooming-vr/?hl=%2Bbinoculars&do=findComment&comment=414815

[ScotsmanFlyingscotsman]

That A-20 looks great, to the RAF it was the Boston, considered fast if I recall correctly, Did the Russain upgrade it will forward firing cannons?

[CF-105]

Did the Russain upgrade it will forward firing cannons?

 

Some were fitted with forward firing cannons, but the Soviets also replaced the browning 7mils with ShKas 7mils, tripling the maximum rate of fire by doing so (600 rpm to 1800 rpm).

IIRC, some A-20Bs were modified to have a solid nose instead, with 6 Browning .50s, but I doubt that'll make it into game, that's quite an extensive modification, would be resource demanding.

[Gambit21]

I would happily pay for any such historical field mod.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

We definitely need some kind of paid mods expansion pack in the future. Too many cool mods being cast aside.

[Custard]

We definitely need some kind of paid mods expansion pack in the future. Too many cool mods being cast aside.

 

I honestly just think that would trash the games reputation, BoX has seen it's stock improve lately with the positive change in dev attitude. Paid fieldmods would just leave a sour taste in man people mouths I think, and rightly so.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

We definitely need some kind of paid mods expansion pack in the future. Too many cool mods being cast aside.

I don't know if you're talking about officially made DLC type mods, but paid Steam Workshop mods didn't work on Skyrim (please look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about).

[sinned]

I honestly just think that would trash the games reputation, BoX has seen it's stock improve lately with the positive change in dev attitude. Paid fieldmods would just leave a sour taste in man people mouths I think, and rightly so.

I wld be verry happppy to buy seperate campaigns in pacific.

 

If aluetian island campaign comes with extra carriers and map, my money is in.

[RAY-EU]

Yes ! It could be the ALDIS like Rise of Flight :

 

http://www.tangmere-museum.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/AoM_March-14.jpg

 

https://thinkingouttabox.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/bf-109e4-stab-jg26-adolf-galland-wnr-5819-france-1940-04.jpg

Edited February 27, 2017 by RAY-EU

[BlueJayslivernyc]

I believe it is a mistake that the new DLC's are not being offered through steam.  If it is a money issue just charge more for them through the steam store.  It would let more people out there know that the game is actively being updated with new content.  Perhaps the Developers are going to bundle the updates in steam with the release of BOK?

[Bando]

@Livernyc: It does not matter at all.

You can purchase the dlc from the website of the devs and still find it in game. If you play it through steam or not, does not matter. All content will be available to you.

[BlueJayslivernyc]

I understand that; I am just looking at it from an exposer standpoint.  I see people jump on the forums here and at other sites and they are totally out of the loop on the games status.  Having more exposer on Steam I believe is a good thing.

 

Thanks!

[Bando]

[Scojo]

I believe it is a mistake that the new DLC's are not being offered through steam.  If it is a money issue just charge more for them through the steam store.  It would let more people out there know that the game is actively being updated with new content.  Perhaps the Developers are going to bundle the updates in steam with the release of BOK?

This is a good point and I very much agree.

 

One thing I also keep forgetting to do and that I think everyone who can should do is go write a review on the game in steam or update any old ones you have. This can also help get the word out that the game is being updated regularly

[Asgar]

i have no idea what you guys are talking about, the new stuff is on Steam, and BoK will be on Steam as soon as it's released as well

Edited March 1, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[216th_Jordan]

I just hope BoK is not released as DLC, because then, no matter how, you have to buy BoS before being able to buy BoK. Its the same promblem with BoM right now.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I just hope BoK is not released as DLC, because then, no matter how, you have to buy BoS before being able to buy BoK. Its the same promblem with BoM right now.

 

I think I read that because of the way the Steam store works in relation to a game like IL-2 where you buy access to the modules, there has to be a "base game" and then you buy DLC. Sounds like the Steam Store doesn't allow for another model... Not sure how true that is but I can't think of any Steam Store games I've bought that weren't like that.

[216th_Jordan]

Yes that would definitely be a problem. Maybe selling the expensions as different games would be an option. Or to have a free to play version with 2 planes as a base and then content as DLCs..

[Dutchvdm]

They could fix this by making a standard free Il-2 version like DCS world and just add one or twee free planes (Like trainers), and make all the battles the add-on modules. 

 

Il-2 World

 

You're welcome Jason    .

 

Grt M

Edited March 2, 2017 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

They could fix this by making a standard free Il-2 version like DCS world and just add one or twee free planes (Like trainers), and make all the battles the add-on modules. 

 

Il-2 World

 

You're welcome Jason    .

 

Grt M

RoF is already works with a similar approach and Jason clearly spoke out against repeating this marketing model for the BoX series in the past.

[216th_Jordan]

RoF is already works with a similar approach and Jason clearly spoke out against repeating this marketing model for the BoX series in the past.

 

I thought that was mainly about all the individual planes and maps. As long as you would have different theaters as DLCs it would be quite different.

It's just an idea though, because as it is right now it is less than suboptimal for Steam users.

Edited March 2, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[Scojo]

I just hope BoK is not released as DLC, because then, no matter how, you have to buy BoS before being able to buy BoK. Its the same promblem with BoM right now.

I'm pretty sure that's a restriction of Steam. If you buy directly you can buy any of the three and be able to play

[DD_Arthur]

RoF is already works with a similar approach and Jason clearly spoke out against repeating this marketing model for the BoX series in the past.

 

Jason was asked about this in the first question and answer session and said they were actively considering it but at the moment they did not have enough content to justify a free to play base version.

 

Personally, I'm not convinced thats the right way to go with a flight sim in todays market.  Check out post no. 73 in this thread from the RoF forum;

 

https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/50460-anything-we-can-do/page-2

 

FourSpeed runs Wargrounds - RoF's most popular server so I think his observations to do with new players and what happens to them are relevant to this debate.

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I'm pretty sure RoF was rated Mostly Positive before the United version came to steam.

Then people came who didn't understand what it really is, and would complain about the pay wall. Or they wouldn't read proper instructions in making an account.

Thus, reviews of user error flooded the store page.

 

This could possibly happen to BoX if it gets a F2P version on Steam, but the fact that a lot of content comes in editions like BoS, M, and K would make people who lurk in the F2P section of Steam raise their torches and pitchforks even more.

[Scojo]

I'm pretty sure RoF was rated Mostly Positive before the United version came to steam.

Then people came who didn't understand what it really is, and would complain about the pay wall. Or they wouldn't read proper instructions in making an account.

Thus, reviews of user error flooded the store page.

 

This could possibly happen to BoX if it gets a F2P version on Steam, but the fact that a lot of content comes in editions like BoS, M, and K would make people who lurk in the F2P section of Steam raise their torches and pitchforks even more.

Yeah for the sake of steam reviews, I personally feel it would be best to keep the expansion model and if they want to provide anything free, make some sort of demo, like maybe a few of the scenario missions starting the player out with normal settings and air start with the option to change to realistic or takeoff if they want.

 

But we'll see. I will say it's important for everyone who plays this sim regularly to keep updating your reviews. I still haven't even made one and I really need to go do it!

Edited March 2, 2017 by 71st_AH_Scojo

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

Jason was asked about this in the first question and answer session and said they were actively considering it but at the moment they did not have enough content to justify a free to play base version.

 

Personally, I'm not convinced thats the right way to go with a flight sim in todays market.  Check out post no. 73 in this thread from the RoF forum;

 

https://riseofflight.com/forum/topic/50460-anything-we-can-do/page-2

 

FourSpeed runs Wargrounds - RoF's most popular server so I think his observations to do with new players and what happens to them are relevant to this debate.

Personally speaking I don't see the issues and disagree with your point. The free version with 2 aircraft was the thing that bought me into RoF together with a friedns recommendation to try it (before I didn't even know it nor had any interest in WW1 simulation. It was kind of a 'it's free so giving a try doesn't hurt' decision). That being said I think many players out there who see the pricetag and mixed reviews would be glad to give BoS a try for free (or at least a pocket saving value of money) to make up their own mind about it and eventually buying into the sim if they like it. The more expensive a product the more important marketing is and relying on YouTube videos alone isn't always the most effective way to convince customers of the product's quality.

 

Just look at how many comments complain about "wobble". If people could give it a try before putting big bucks on the table that statement could be less scaring and maybe even contradicted by additional reviews of said people.

 

As far as people behaviour on servers is concerned, just join Wings of Liberty and you'll see all of what the author of the linked post is complaining about and even more.

Edited March 2, 2017 by 6./ZG26_5tuka

[216th_Jordan]

Thats what I think Stuka. Additionally it would make managing the expansions easier.

Sure, the review score might go down, but maybe a lot of players could also be won by this model.