Blitzen Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I never knew! The construction Crane...not the Tante Ju!
Finkeren Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Yeah. Tower cranes like that have existed since the early 1900s I think. They were certainly around during the construction of the first true skyscrapers in the 1920s.
1CGS LukeFF Posted February 11, 2017 1CGS Posted February 11, 2017 http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=construction+crane+1900s
CUJO_1970 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 Man I opened this thread and thought it would be about some secret Russian jet or something...nope, it's about tower cranes.
=WH=PangolinWranglin Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 I was hoping for a something like a Mig15 model hidden in a building. I'm disappointed...
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 i thought it would be another rant about auto pilot not existing in ww2But lols its a crane :D
Finkeren Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 It always amazes me, how people seem to think, that pretty much everything was only invented during or after WW2. Color photography and -film (1850s/1899 respectively) is the most common, and most people think I'm crazy when I tell them, that the first sports event broadcast on live TV was during the 1936 Berlin Olympics.
Gambit21 Posted February 11, 2017 Posted February 11, 2017 So immensely powerful machines that fly through the sky at hundreds of kilometers per hour - of course. A steel scaffold with a motor and a cable - nah....really? I don't believe it!!! 3
Blitzen Posted February 11, 2017 Author Posted February 11, 2017 So immensely powerful machines that fly through the sky at hundreds of kilometers per hour - of course. A steel scaffold with a motor and a cable - nah....really? I don't believe it!!!
Waldo Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 "Tower cranes on the construction sites of the country started to use more in the first five years. The first Soviet tower cranes were manufactured in 1936. Before World War II the park tower cranes in the USSR was about 200 units, and their annual production in those years amounted to several tens of" Source: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD#.D0.A1.D0.A1.D0.A1.D0.A0
Cybermat47 Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 ... the first sports event broadcast on live TV was during the 1936 Berlin Olympics. IIRC, if there's alien life listening, those will be the first signals they receive. Adolf Hitler, Humanity's ambassador to the stars 1
Monostripezebra Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) You guys can redicule the OP all day long, but while I´m expert on towercranes and they certainly have been around long, the crane we got on the moscow map looks eeerily like something Liebherr had patented in 1949: the quick or self errecting crane.. so does anyone have a ww2 era picture of those cranes? I´m slightly sceptical... "In 1949, Hans Liebherr realized that fast assembly tower cranes were virtually non-existent on the market. He took it upon himself to build a bottom-slewing tower crane with a horizontal jib on top. The crane could also lift material from the ground up, by hoisting it, swinging over, and then dropping the material directly onto the new structure—a feature uncharacteristic of cranes up until this point as materials had to be manually carried from the drop off point. Another defining feature was that the crane could be transported partly assembled and could fully assemble itself. Liebherr presented his first crane, the TK-10, at the Frankfurt Trade Fair in Germany in the fall of 1949. At first, the industry was cautious about Liebherr’s new crane but eventually the design caught on and Liebherr took the TK-10 into mass production.[6] A whole series of construction cranes based on the TK-10 design concept came out over the following year. With his design, Liebherr managed to revolutionize the tower crane industry. As the 1950s approached, new ways of using cranes were developing and there existed very advanced slewing tower cranes on the market.[7]" Yeah. Tower cranes like that have existed since the early 1900s I think. They were certainly around during the construction of the first true skyscrapers in the 1920s. http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=construction+crane+1900s It always amazes me, how people seem to think, that pretty much everything was only invented during or after WW2. Color photography and -film (1850s/1899 respectively) is the most common, and most people think I'm crazy when I tell them, that the first sports event broadcast on live TV was during the 1936 Berlin Olympics. Edited February 12, 2017 by Monostripezebra 2
AndyJWest Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I'd have thought it unlikely that the devs would have added a crane to the map without some sort of evidence that similar types were there at the time - it would seem odd to go to the effort of modelling it otherwise. Maybe they didn't have sufficient detail, and based it on more recent designs. As for photos, I had a bit of a look, but couldn't find anything. Searching for something that is likely to be in the background of a photo, and not commented on, isn't easy. Edited February 12, 2017 by AndyJWest
Lusekofte Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Well I saw these cranes in the 60´s and knowing what they looked like then, they sure did not look like that in the 40´s . Yes they got welding and electric engines . But the constructions where much more massive
unreasonable Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Liebherr invented mobile tower cranes. So look at the base of the one in "Moscow". Here is his 1955 patent drawing on the improvement to the 1949 TK10 (cannot find picture of that).
Lusekofte Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I have lifted these cranes since 1987, some of them where from the 70´s . I know all about Liebherr. I have been in both tower crane factory and Mobile crane. It is not a major mistake having tower cranes looking like that, but it looks far too modern for 1940´s type even for 60´s. But it is only a few bother to notice, so I would pass on this , it is not a big deal Edited February 12, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte
Uufflakke Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 When you start searching for tower cranes of the 1930's you get cranes like these ones: For the tower crane afficionados this website has a lof of information: http://www.kran-info.ch/
DD_Arthur Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Or these ones; Shock horror!!! Soviets had tower crane technology in the 'thirties
Finkeren Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 You guys can redicule the OP all day long... Oh I certainly didn't mean to ridicule, when I said that people tend to think, that everything was invented after WW2, I count myself in that group, because I fall victim ro that all the time.
Monostripezebra Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Or these ones; Shock horror!!! Soviets had tower crane technology in the 'thirties Isn´t that Moscow State University? That would make these pictures more somewhere around ´48 or 49 then 30ies.. as the building was begun to the 800year centenial in 1947? or at least that is one of the seven sisters, the post-war buildings and not 1930ies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Sisters_(Moscow) Oh I certainly didn't mean to ridicule, when I said that people tend to think, that everything was invented after WW2, I count myself in that group, because I fall victim ro that all the time. I guess we all do, when it comes to that, but it is always interesting that one can actually learn something on the forums.. So I find thinking about these things fun Edited February 12, 2017 by Monostripezebra
Danziger Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 We need to be able to man the cranes! Crane Simulator! 3
Chief_Mouser Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 This site http://sovarch.ru/kran/ has a lot of info about the building of high-rise buildings in Moscow in the late '40s, including design of the cranes used. The main body of Russian cranes then all seem to be like the pics posted above; a different design from that in game with a lot more metal framing on the horizontal bit. Interesting first post - something that it would never have occurred to me to look at closely. Cheers.
216th_Jordan Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I'm holding back my money until this gets fixed !! My squadron feels the same on this! Edited February 12, 2017 by 216th_Jordan 5
ShamrockOneFive Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Let me just say that I love how flight simmers take the details so seriously that we've now had a thread on tower cranes complete with old photos of construction sites. This is awesome! 1
DD_Arthur Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 Isn´t that Moscow State University? That would make these pictures more somewhere around ´48 or 49 then 30ies.. as the building was begun to the 800year centenial in 1947? In that case its odds on the construction guys are Germans
Lusekofte Posted February 12, 2017 Posted February 12, 2017 I cave in , but the looks at a 40 tower crane are remarkable similar as a 70 crane. I will let this pass
Blitzen Posted February 12, 2017 Author Posted February 12, 2017 wow ...this post ran cold & hot...I'm pleased it got any response at all...In any case I think we know these guys are not involved... 2
[CPT]milopugdog Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 I think that the fact that the possibility of the incorrect crane being in-game is the biggest immersion factor for me. I can go from sailing in my Bf-110 to being memorized at the fact I just flew by a piece of technology they hadn't been invented yet? It's absolutely game breaking! 1
Jason_Williams Posted February 14, 2017 Posted February 14, 2017 Point made. Nonsense thread. Closed. jason 1 2
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