BOS/Hyperlobby program

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

I think a part of the success and long term running of IL2 was Hyperlobby, it was a perfect way to gather pilots together with a easy way to communicate in real time.

 

It was very handy to have it running to view the missions on offer and chat while not being "in game", if you spotted a COOP or server you liked, you could just join with a click and the program would start up IL2 and join automatically.

 

I wonder if the devs have thought about creating a BOS/Hyperlobby program to have running on the desktop without having to start up the game?

[Bearcat]

I agree.. but RoF isn't on HL either so ...  Perhaps what they could do is put a door to their servers on HL.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

I was thinking more of a hyperlobby "style" program made by the devs themselves to cater for BOS pilots, Bearcat.

[Bearcat]

Oh yeah that too... but I think it would be great if RoF and BoS could be accessed via HL..  but I think that a lot of RoF's business model is tied to that connectivity thing.. so it is built in..

[Revvin]

I'm happy for it to stay in game. I used to use Hyperlobby and waay back then it filled a gap in some sims online support but in my opinion its always been quite a clunky program so perhaps a more fuller featured in game browser with friends lists, squadron support with the ability to promote your squadron within the online portion of the game. Something along the lines of Warbirds or Aces High lists of Squadrons (but done in game rather than a web site) that show if squadron's are recruiting, who to speak to etc.Couple that wiith squad/community features like Battlefield 3 or Planetside 2 where you can create groups/squadrons and promote members within that squadron/group to give them access rights to add members, promote members to be able to perform certain roles like post missions for Co-op and post group messages that would show up when you logged in like a squad message of the day etc.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Real time chat, COOP lobby plus of course the sever list are the most important aspects i think, the bits you talk about Revvin sound great though, i hope the devs take notice. We need more than just the server list for BOS.

[DD_Arthur]

Real time chat, COOP lobby plus of course the sever list are the most important aspects i think, the bits you talk about Revvin sound great though, i hope the devs take notice. We need more than just the server list for BOS.

 

 

I agree.  I don't think this new game needs to be accessed via Hyperlobby but certainly a Hyperlobby style gui for multiplayer would make a real difference.  One of RoF's shortcomings, in my opinion, is the multiplayer lobby.  No scope for communication with other users before joining a server and no dedicated coop lobby.  Also, in RoF a single player cannot start a coop on his own. 

A few months ago the Syndicate guys put up a coop server running a constant rotation of missions that ran for fifteen minutes maximum each mission.  It was a really good system unfortunately the only way to get a coop up and running was to enter the server and hope someone else would notice and join you.

 

The result was people would connect for a few minutes and wait for someone else to join.  Get bored, leave.....a few minutes later someone else would join...wait...get bored, etc.  

When three or four people entered into a coop it would work really well.  Other people could see the server filling and join but this did not happen too often.

 

It needs addressing.  

[Revvin]

Real time chat, COOP lobby plus of course the sever list are the most important aspects i think, the bits you talk about Revvin sound great though, i hope the devs take notice. We need more than just the server list for BOS.

 

Yes real time chat would be great to have in game

[Pudfark]

I very much like the ideas being presented here.

Coops have always been my thing and the idea

of HL type interface is most appealing.

[I/JG27_Zimmi]

I would very much like to see a similar system as we know if from Jane's Lobby and in succession from HL. Not only the chat but also the possiblity of direct user contact via friendlist and PMs as well as the mission-slot-style. Probably there is room for some improvements but at least the general idea behind the HL should be taken as a starting point for a BoS online interface. The way it was handled the last years in IL-2 not only guaranteed a smooth and clear gameplay but also a basis for communication among eachother.

Edited December 22, 2012 by I/JG27_Zimmi

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

The interface would still connect to BOS via a login, it would just run on the desktop allowing you to do other things but you would be able to see what missions are running, starting or join in the chat.

 

The real time chat is a great function as it allows people to advertize the mission/coops/servers they are about to start.

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

I think a part of the success and long term running of IL2 was Hyperlobby, it was a perfect way to gather pilots together with a easy way to communicate in real time.

Agreed 100%!!

 

Flight simmers are not like most gammers.. We like to know who we are flying with! The ability to sit in a lobby and chat with people prior to flying a mission is very important to me! I wish RoF and DCS would figure this out and provide something like HL! Imagine.. one of those pre mission looking rooms.. You know the type.. With the big map on the wall up front and a bunch of pilots sitting in chairs.. Wouldnt it be cool if they could do something like that?

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Yep, maybe a pre join screen that shows the brief/planes set with chat...

 

Click on the mission advertized in the BOS Mission Lobby(might copyright that ) and it shows the next screen with the brief and plane, then you can click join to pick a plane or leave to close the screen and back to the lobby.

Edited December 22, 2012 by Furbs

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

Yep, maybe a pre join screen that shows the brief/planes set with chat.

Bingo!

 

With your name on the back of your jacket.. So you know who to throw spitwads at prior to the mission!

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

Put me in my F4 and see what comes back.

Its nice to be excited again about a coming sim. B)

Edited December 22, 2012 by Furbs

[III/JG11_Tiger]

Thats something I miss with most sims since IL2, being able to chat before entering a server was great and even kept people that weren't flying involved in the community.

 

I have never understood why no one else has done it as nicely as HL in game.

[III/JG11_Tiger]

Put me in my F4 and see what comes back.

 

Its nice to be excited again about a coming sim. B)

 

Isn't it, the wait is part of the fun.

 

Hopefully the product at the end will be worth it...Im confident it will, I think 777 will manage this project well and although it may mean we miss some features promised in Cod, the reality is, many of the promised features weren't delivered anyway and without this new partnership we would have very little to look forward to at all.

 

777 certainly played a big part in managing the turn around of ROF and hopefully they can get this flight sim up and running, it's great to have vision but unless you deliver it is just wasted energy.

[334th_L0C0]

 being able to chat before entering a server was great

 

I could not agree more with this (and don't want to quote the majority of the posters in this thread).  Ubi Soft did a great job trying not to let us do this (ie.,. Ubi's IL2 lobby and it's lack of "chat function", Silent Hunter's Ubi Lobby and it's lack of "chat function", I'm sure there are more titles under Ubi that have the same lack of chat before joining mission.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

It is one of the sim mysteries why it hasn't been done before.

 

With luck the devs have seen this, and at least will think about it...they have enough time.

 

Unless im missing something, it isn't that hard to create right? not much time or resources?

 

A desktop app(right name?) ...it logs you in to BOS... lets you real time chat and join missions...starts sim.

[sop]

Agreed 100%!!

 

Flight simmers are not like most gammers.. We like to know who we are flying with! The ability to sit in a lobby and chat with people prior to flying a mission is very important to me! I wish RoF and DCS would figure this out and provide something like HL! Imagine.. one of those pre mission looking rooms.. You know the type.. With the big map on the wall up front and a bunch of pilots sitting in chairs.. Wouldnt it be cool if they could do something like that?

Hey why dont you just sign up on facebook instead for a chat instead lmao, chatrooms have no place in sims  o77777777777 bro  

Regards sop

(ace of aces  gunner in rof)

[Logan]

I liked the HL thing, I had my IL2 servers on it for a while. What I didn't like was it was a third party program and you had to point the .exe to it, to log on. Big pain if you had more than one version or servers. I'd like to see a type of HL with chat in game. Click on multiplayer  and you see the server list plus the chat like HL has all in the game program, no third party or anything to run in the background or extra to download.

[Bearcat]

Hey why dont you just sign up on facebook instead for a chat instead lmao, chatrooms have no place in sims  o77777777777 bro  

Regards sop

(ace of aces  gunner in rof)

Really? I disagree. I also do not think that you fully understand just what is being talked about here. no offense intended.

 

Reread what has been posted here.. no one is talking about chatting while simming.. They are referring to a common place where you can see who is on and what missions are going on and what the settings are.. and that is a great thing and the sim will suffer if it is not available.. I have yet to fly online in RoF so I don't know what that model is like but the best thing IMO for them to do if they do not already have a plan (I would not be surprised if they did.. ) would be to implement the RoF/BoS system into Hyperlobby. I don't know what would be involved with that but IMO that would be great..

[Revvin]

Hey why dont you just sign up on facebook instead for a chat instead lmao, chatrooms have no place in sims  o77777777777 bro  

Regards sop

(ace of aces  gunner in rof)

 

I disagree, chat room availability in the multiplayer lobby would really help foster a community feeling online with players inviting others to servers, those last minute calls for gunners for multicrew aircraft etc

[4./JG53_Wotan]

A built in "lobby" would be great - alot of good games miss having a feature like that. I would rather not have an external program like Hyperlobby. There is a real "social" element to gaming and real time chat is much better then posting on a forum.

[sop]

Really? I disagree. I also do not think that you fully understand just what is being talked about here. no offense intended.

 

Reread what has been posted here.. no one is talking about chatting while simming.. They are referring to a common place where you can see who is on and what missions are going on and what the settings are.. and that is a great thing and the sim will suffer if it is not available.. I have yet to fly online in RoF so I don't know what that model is like but the best thing IMO for them to do if they do not already have a plan (I would not be surprised if they did.. ) would be to implement the RoF/BoS system into Hyperlobby. I don't know what would be involved with that but IMO that would be great..

Yes really and no offence taken, rof has been succuessful frm the start without such an app and it keeps the trollers out, as I said before we can all chat on facebook if needed.

Regards sop,  o7 .

Gunner of aoa and malchiel in rof

[JG26_lee45]

A built in lobby would be great,look at il2 1946 made in 2006 i think,over 300 on in h/l now,just looked at rof online 88.

[sop]

A built in lobby would be great,look at il2 1946 made in 2006 i think,over 300 on in h/l now,just looked at rof online 88.

Ya and how many are in clod part of HL?, ZIP zero nada, its fine to say there are 300 in HL but theres not usuall even 22 in chat and rest are people who show up on the servers manually sorry to burst your il2 HL bubble.

o7

ROF gunner of malchiel and AOA

[JG26_lee45]

Do you ever have anything good to say,i would go with no....

numbers speak for themselves.

Edited December 26, 2012 by JG26lee45

[II./JG27_Rich]

One of the greatest things about the Hyperlobby is that you have the internet if you need it right away to give other people help with links to patches squad sites aircraft movies or whatever. They're a a million things a new person needs to know to get started with all of this flying online buisness and the Hyperlobby is almost like an online help forum.

[=BKHZ=Furbs]

No 3rd party app, im talking about a program made by 777, that does what HL does now.

[III/JG11_Simmox]

Agreed 100%!!

 

Flight simmers are not like most gammers.. We like to know who we are flying with! The ability to sit in a lobby and chat with people prior to flying a mission is very important to me! I wish RoF and DCS would figure this out and provide something like HL! Imagine.. one of those pre mission looking rooms.. You know the type.. With the big map on the wall up front and a bunch of pilots sitting in chairs.. Wouldnt it be cool if they could do something like that?

now this is important to get right

a good copy of a HL type system would work fine

in game or out,doesnt bother me,as long as it works and serves the purpose of both lobby and lounge and maybe even war rooms.

[JG13_opcode]

No Hyperlobby.

 

The only reason we needed HL is because the existing solutions were awful (or non-existent).  For example, the ubi.com lobby is/was horrible.  But just because HL is slightly better doesn't make it good.

 

Hyperlobby is not the reason that the old series had longevity.

Edited January 2, 2013 by JG13Doggles

[DD_bongodriver]

I think the devs should use all available time to producing a flight sim rather than ancilliary utilities that cater to the speciffic desires of some, clearly they have online play in mind already, I think it's up to us to adapt to what we end up being given, who knows......maybe it will be the best thing ever.

[Mac_Messer]

Jiri`s Hyperlobby is a set of features needed with every flight sim. It was simple, quick, very accessible, vastly functional and did not eat up too much of the resources.

If we (they) can work up something better, sure. But so far I didn`t see anything better.

[Bearcat]

Ya and how many are in clod part of HL?, ZIP zero nada, its fine to say there are 300 in HL but theres not usuall even 22 in chat and rest are people who show up on the servers manually sorry to burst your il2 HL bubble.

o7

ROF gunner of malchiel and AOA

 

I think that may have more to do with Steam and the sim itself... The fact that so many have been turned off by it from the earier days when it was less functional than it is now.

 

No 3rd party app, im talking about a program made by 777, that does what HL does now.

 

Either way would be great.. but IMO Hyperlobby is an existing app.. if a way could be found to just link it with the RoF server as far as who is where.. I have yet to fly RoF online so I am not sure exactly how it works.. I am still getting things straight off line.. For all I know something like that could already be built in or the potential for it could already be there...

 

No Hyperlobby.

The only reason we needed HL is because the existing solutions were awful (or non-existent).  For example, the ubi.com lobby is/was horrible.  But just because HL is slightly better doesn't make it good.

Hyperlobby is not the reason that the old series had longevity.

 

 

I think the devs should use all available time to producing a flight sim rather than ancilliary utilities that cater to the speciffic desires of some, clearly they have online play in mind already, I think it's up to us to adapt to what we end up being given, who knows......maybe it will be the best thing ever.

 

I agree with that part.. for the most part.. but even if it was something that was done later on or something that as I said above worked in conjunction with whatis there it would be a good thing.. There is nothing more frustrating for a new flyer to come somewhere and not know how to use the interface.. whatever it is.. and not have any way of siply asking "How do I ________"..

[DD_fruitbat]

What i hope for is an easier experience in setting up a server in BoS  than in RoF, and more akin to il2.

 

To be able to host co-ops for my squad in RoF, i'm having to jump through so many hoops compared to il2. Nothing is simple.

[Bearcat]

What i hope for is an easier experience in setting up a server in BoS  than in RoF, and more akin to il2.

 

To be able to host co-ops for my squad in RoF, i'm having to jump through so many hoops compared to il2. Nothing is simple.

Yes.. and simplicity is what is needed...

[BlitzPig_EL]

I hate to say this, but a lot of the guys I know say it,  I hope BoS does not have a classically Russian hard to comprehend Lobby/Interface.  Look at all three of the sims most of us fly now, IL2/'46, RoF, CloD.  All have clunky GUIs, and horrible lobby interfaces, with the exception of the use of Hyperlobby in IL2.

 

They all seem like their GUIs and Lobby were afterthoughts, banged together at the last minute before launch of the product, and I won't even get into the nightmare that is the RoF Mission Editor.

 

Making these functions easy to use should be a "no brainer".

 

 

[GOAT-ACEOFACES]

sop does bring up a good point/question

 

That being RoF is pretty sucessful without any chat lobby provided..

 

And looking at it closer I think I see why..

 

All of the RoF servers that I make use of are the dedicated server types.. And for those, you really don't need a chat lobby, just join!

 

But for coops

 

You know the things that some, like myself, loved about IL2, you really need a pre-chat type lobby to make coops work IMHO

 

So in essance, the thing that a Hyperlobby chat room offers is for the coop crowd, without it, I think coops would die off

[JG4_Nemesis]

I also miss coop missions very much - any comment on devs on that? Coop is a hughe puzzle part missing in the BoS Picture...