Berloga online test of the new FM for the 190 A3

[JG27*Kornezov]

I put the 190 A3 into aggressive mode to test the new FM. Note how much punishment can take the la 5.

Edited February 3, 2017 by JG27_Kornezov

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Looks like the 190 can hold it's ground much better now.

 

But for the punishment part, I count only 6 20mm hits, and a probable 7th before his wing snap off with a burning engine, so nothing wrong to me.

[Original_Uwe]

Only 6 20mm hits?

Damn. Built Stalin stronk.

[JG27*Kornezov]

It is a very old debate, but it appears to me that the german 20 mm are not very effective from dead 6 o'clock. They do much more damage when used in high angle deflection shots.

During the second attack (minute 1.55 of the track) I was shooting through black smoke of hits, the la 5 broke a wing only after the pilot behind me kept shooting (in the track in slow motion I see that the la 5 tried to roll hard and broke the wing himself). My convergence is set to 180 m, and I started shooting just a little before that. That is why I added a  second shot from the la 5 perspective, then I slowed down at 0:25 speed motion on you tube and I counted much more than 6 splashes. I would expect from this amount of damage to cut the la 5 into pieces.And I see a few scratches and a burning machine, the burning machine can be the effect of the machine guns.

Maybe the damage coefficient could be increased a little but, but nevertheless this is a game and we use a black box. And the red team would not enjoy much any change without really a good reason .
 

Edited February 4, 2017 by JG27_Kornezov

[SJ_Butcher]

ohh I felt that was only me with the poor damage of FW190 cannon, I mean WTF, in the old IL2 it was much better, 4 cannons how the hell can you survive more hits than is modeled in this game? some Pe2 and IL2 can eat all my ammunition without problem.... same as La-5... after seeing that video, what a ton of BS, Russian planes are made of stalinium. I am done, going to fly the red easy side overmodeled, overpowered because the crap La-5 cannons are much better....

Edited February 4, 2017 by SJ_Butcher

[216th_Jordan]

 

ohh I felt that was only me with the poor damage of FW190 cannon, I mean WTF, in the old IL2 it was much better, 4 cannons how the hell can you survive more hits than is modeled in this game? some Pe2 and IL2 can eat all my ammunition without problem.... same as La-5... after seeing that video, what a ton of BS, Russian planes are made of stalinium. I am done, going to fly the red easy side overmodeled, overpowered because the crap La-5 cannons are much better....

 

 

I hope you are kidding.

 

Normally with 3 hits you will have at least some leakage showing (much more internal damage), maybe some hits did not register correctly. Good shooting OP.

Edited February 4, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[JG13_opcode]

Fw-190 with wing cannons removed could out-turn all of them

At what speed?

[Original_Uwe]

At what speed?

Yes indeed. At high speeds the 190 turns better than damn near anything. I quite like that lol.

[JG27*Kornezov]

According to the old data:

*g2 has Maximum performance turn at sea level: 22.2 s, at 270 km/h IAS.

*FW 190: 24.7 s, at 280 km/h IAS.

 

This is a bigger difference than between f4 and yak 1.

 

I am sorry to disappoint you but I could not believe the new FM could improve the turning capabilities that much. First you need to test if your friend can make a turn at best sustained speed for 22.2 s. If he cannot then he should train more until he does it.

 

Anyway the best sustained turn speed is the thing I care less in a FW 190. For me it is much more important: top speed; acceleration; high speed instanatious turn; spin characteristics;  guns damage .

Edited February 5, 2017 by JG27_Kornezov

[3./JG15_Kampf]

It is a very old debate, but it appears to me that the german 20 mm are not very effective from dead 6 o'clock. They do much more damage when used in high angle deflection shots.

I have been flying in BERLOGA the fw 190. I am so impressed with the amount of dead pilot flying this bird. Even from a distance, 1 or 2 hits and the camera goes to third person. And even you getting many hits on Russian planes is much more difficult a pilot killed on these planes

Edited February 5, 2017 by JAGER_Kampf

[CUJO_1970]

Russian fighters seem to have a very simplified DM. It is common online for Yak, Lagg and La5 to be hit by 20mm cannon and still fly around with all their speed and maneuverability. I'm seeing them continue fighting or simply RTB to get a new plane.

 

It is that, or 20mm is very weak...maybe both.

 

In FW-190 I have instant PK, loss of wing or fire starts on first hit every time. Never am I able to continue fighting...there is absolutely no benefit at all to having air-cooled radial engine.

[216th_Jordan]

The Soviet planes don't have a simplified DM, they just have a higher margin of durability (as Han said 2.0 vs 1.4 for german side). In all test I ran on the same target the Shvak performed inferior to the Mg151.

 

As for protection: The pilot is quite exposed in the Fw-190, it is quite equal to the Mig-3 where the pilot also gets killed rather often.

[Original_Uwe]

The Soviet planes don't have a simplified DM, they just have a higher margin of durability (as Han said 2.0 vs 1.4 for german side). In all test I ran on the same target the Shvak performed inferior to the Mg151.

 

As for protection: The pilot is quite exposed in the Fw-190, it is quite equal to the Mig-3 where the pilot also gets killed rather often.

Got to love that they get benifits of supposed Russian aircraft toughness, but none of the low quality mass production problems.

It'd require a good bit of coding to make the Russian birds have random system failure or pilots passing out from exhaust gasses inside the cockpit, bit it is easy to make them stalin stronk.