We are getting what is essentially an La-5F; Awesome; Further Implications

[303_Kwiatek]

It would be cool if devs making new performance engine for La5F they check roll rate of our LA5 which is very dubfull actually and more suitable for LA5F ( airframe ) version.  Full LA5F got improved in control system ( airleons) and removed wing fuel tanks - so it would definitly improve roll rate comparing with eariler LA5 or Lagg3.

 

Improved "F" engine for La5 definitly will rise combat speeds at low level but all other aspects remain the same like with old LA5 

 

It would be nice to have full La5F version with improved cocpit visibility, reduced weight and other modifications. From full LA5F version Lavochkin fighters became very dangerous opponent to German fighters expecially at low alt. They were faster then 109G and more equal to Fw 190 A performacne at low alts.

Edited February 4, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[Lusekofte]

IF i ever did care for fighter I would regard this as a must have. To be honest I like the Russian planes for its feel of realism. Flying Axis planes in this sim to me they feel like flying without the feel of weight, environment and in general easy to handle. A LA 5 F will give a envelope to be good against them.

Edited February 4, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Stig]

 

 

It would be cool if devs making new performance engine for La5F they check roll rate of our LA5

 

You know how it works, if you want a certain FM to be revised. 

[303_Kwiatek]

You know how it works, if you want a certain FM to be revised. 

 

Yes i know how it works assuming that it was need near 2 years for correct FM of A-3 with avaliable  data so chance is very low if devs dont come to it themselves

 

Im for any modifications which make more options to fly  ( even if it is only engine settings and type) but it would be nice also if devs would fix some old issues also in the same time

Edited February 4, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[LLv24_Zami]

IF i ever did care for fighter I would regard this as a must have. To be honest I like the Russian planes for its feel of realism. Flying Axis planes in this sim to me they feel like flying without the feel of weight, environment and in general easy to handle. A LA 5 F will give a envelope to be good against them.

So you think that Russian planes are realistic and Axis planes are not? As a person who flies both sides I`d say that Yak is a pretty easy plane to handle in general. 

Edited February 4, 2017 by Zami

[Stig]

 

 

es i know how it works assuming that it was need near 2 years for correct FM of A-3

 

A large part of those 2 years were forum rants and arguments, before some guys got together and provided the correct data using the methods outlined by the Devs. 

[BlitzPig_EL]

I'd pay $40 for multi-seater no problem.

Hear that Jason?

 

EMILY

 

You sir are a man of extremely good taste in aircraft.

 

 

As I said before, if the H8K were offered, it would be the only thing I would fly, ummm, pretty much anyway...

 

And for an idea of her capabilities, just research Operation K, the second bombing of Pearl Harbor.   It's a fascinating, and audacious plan, that if not for clouds over Pearl, would have had serious repercussions for the early expansion of the US role in the Pacific.

 

Edited February 4, 2017 by BlitzPig_EL

[CUJO_1970]

Emily would be amazing for Pacific - a cult hero like JU-52 is in Europe. Another plane I would purchase in a heartbeat.

[ShamrockOneFive]

The Emily would be a lot of fun. Even as an AI plane on dogfight servers we saw lots of people take these out because they were big, bristling with guns and able to take more than a few hits before going down. I suspect this would be a hit as a Pacific themed Collector Plane!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The Definition of La-5F was the Fitting of M-82F Engine, the first La-5Fs were essentially unchanged La-5 Airframes with that engine, all the other improvements came later.

[Lusekofte]

So you think that Russian planes are realistic and Axis planes are not? As a person who flies both sides I`d say that Yak is a pretty easy plane to handle in general. 

 

I haven't flown the Yak except a little tour yesterday in FNBF , so you might be right. I cut a slack to the 109 also, I flew that plane last time when it was the only one available together with LAGG

[Wulf]

Yup, it would be good if they'd run the ruler over the roll rates sometime soon.  The La 5 FN may have rolled about the same as a 190 but the earlier versions of this aircraft most certainly did not.

 

Also, I'd happily pay the team $20-30 not to include the La 5 F in the game.  Just sayin ....

[ShamrockOneFive]

I haven't flown the Yak except a little tour yesterday in FNBF , so you might be right. I cut a slack to the 109 also, I flew that plane last time when it was the only one available together with LAGG

 

Things have changed a fair bit since then

[Sgt_Joch]

hoooo, new 110, new A3 fm and now a early La-5f? hard to keep up, still just getting use to the new A3.

 

with the la-5f and the Yak-1b, this will be a new ball game

Edited February 4, 2017 by Sgt_Joch

[JG13_opcode]

Yep, La-5"F" and Yak-1b together will be quite formidable.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Yup, it would be good if they'd run the ruler over the roll rates sometime soon.  The La 5 FN may have rolled about the same as a 190 but the earlier versions of this aircraft most certainly did not.

 

Also, I'd happily pay the team $20-30 not to include the La 5 F in the game.  Just sayin ....

I would've gladly have had no Fw190 ingame. 

 

Bf110F would have been far better.

Edited February 5, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Dakpilot]

I would've gladly have had no Fw190 ingame. 

 

Bf110F would have been far better.

 

I am glad the FW-190 is in game, just prefer it was hard coded to only appear on Velikie Luki Map ( or other historical places  ) 

 

Seriously though, only joking to a point, I know server owners can (and do ) make these restrictions and what people do offline is ENTIRELY their prerogative 

 

With the complicated way of Soviet aircraft production/development an M-82F engined La-5 is a valid option and certainly justified and a welcome addition

 

The concept may lead to other useful timeframe specific engine variants and is to be commended 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

A 110F would have actually been historical in Stalingrad, And the Game Lacked them for far too long in favour of an Aircraft that didn't Serve in anything even close to the numbers of the 110F.

[Blutaar]

Maybe as an option later for unlocks/mods, the F is just an upgrade of the E with Armor upgrade that we might already have and a 1350hp engine + 2 additional tanks.

Dont know if these tanks are just 2x 300L droptanks or internally and i didnt look further than wikipedia so it might be wrong.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Well, it is a bit more, different Canopy for the Rear Gunner to the Non-Folding one, similar to the 11G and also the Streamlined Engine Cowling (Although I'm not sure if this was true for all 110Fs or only for some Models).

 

I would be a fully Inbetween Version. Would pay 10$ as a Collector Aircraft.

[Field-Ops]

Its not a la5f, its ~200 kg heavier then a la5f still. it is a la5 with m82f

 

So basically will get renamed to a later series La5 in game, but not up to La5F? I think its cool anyway. Same way the Pe2 gets renamed to a later series when you add the heavier gun.

[LukeFF]

So basically will get renamed to a later series La5 in game, but not up to La5F?

 

No, it is an early La-5F, as Han has explained in the latest developer diary entry.

 

Yes, earliest La-5F have had only engine modification, 3 fuel tanks and no skirting comes later. Tear-drop canoly comes only from series 26.

Edited February 6, 2017 by LukeFF

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

So basically will get renamed to a later series La5 in game, but not up to La5F? I think its cool anyway. Same way the Pe2 gets renamed to a later series when you add the heavier gun.

The "F" in the La-5F is from the Modification from the normal Shvetsov M-82 to the M-82F on which they solved a number of Problems connected to Cold Starts, Overheating and general Teething Problems any High Performance engine has. 

The M-82F was essentially the same engine just with all the Bugs fixed so it could be allowed to run Full Throttle Continuously.

 

So:

La-5 --> M-82 Engine

La-5F --> M-82F Engine

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Bf110F would have been far better.

 

I read this was considered the lightest and most liked plane among the pilots.

 

 

 

Yep, La-5"F" and Yak-1b together will be quite formidable.

 

 

When the FW 190 A5 come these planes only even the odds a little bit. They still got weaknesses meeting the opponents

 

 

Also, I'd happily pay the team $20-30 not to include the La 5 F in the game.  Just sayin ....

Why?  

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Why?  

 

Cuz [Edited]. He trying to tempt people into saying that the 190 shouldn't have been here. Maybe he is right and it should have been Yak-7, Yak-1 and LaGG-3 and 109F-4, G-2 and 110F-4, no 190, no La-5. 

 

Knock off the name calling.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Bearcat

[ShamrockOneFive]

There would have been complaints either way. The devs would be accused of, in the first out of the gate release, giving the Red team more fighter options than the Blue team or something else. Maybe best to avoid second guessing the past and look at what is coming.

 

Love that we're getting these options and I love what possibilities it opens for other aircraft down the line. Jason said they only had time to squeeze this in - I respect that. Though we may not see too many more like this for now it is still opening lots of doors for the future.

 

From what I've read... this La-5 with the M-82F update will probably be the best aircraft for chasing down low flying FW190A-5/U17s. Undoubtedly why they considered doing this in the first place.

[SAG]

Yaaay! some love from the devs to my favorite plane! :D

[Irgendjemand]

So am I right that the LA5 F is faster at SL than the FW190 A3 and A5 even with emergency power? And that continuously? Makiung it the fastest airplane st SL in BOS?
 

Edited February 6, 2017 by Irgendjemand

[303_Kwiatek]

Not exacly. IRL serial LA5F reached 550-555 kph with boost at the deck.  La5 with M-82 F engine only should be slowier then these but could fly longer time with boost then standart M-82 ( theorethically unlimited but i think overheating was restriction)

Edited February 6, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[Wulf]

Cuz he is a Troll. He trying to tempt people into saying that the 190 shouldn't have been here. Maybe he is right and it should have been Yak-7, Yak-1 and LaGG-3 and 109F-4, G-2 and 110F-4, no 190, no La-5. 

 

 

What??  No I'm not saying that at all!  I just find the La 5 more than a handful as it is, in my (now) trusty A-3, so no, I don't want a better La 5 in the game.  

 

And you calling 'moi' a troll is really rich Klaus (the troll king) Mann-boy.   What a frinkin nerve!

[Lusekofte]

Well you wont have it before the FW 190 A5 comes along, I am pretty sure you find that version of the butcher bird more than adequate to take care of the LA5F . 

I personally are fascinated by the LAGG and LA 5 , not so much by the YAK 1 . To light for me, I think . 

Anyway I can't say I am too eager, I wont lift my eyebrows until we get the HS 129 and A 20. 

[Blutaar]

Not exacly. IRL serial LA5F reached 550-555 kph with boost at the deck.  La5 with M-82 F engine only should be slowier then these but could fly longer time with boost then standart M-82 ( theorethically unlimited but i think overheating was restriction)

When i look at the current La5 it will go 546 kph as long as you have fuel with closed air cowls, not the front one of course and 50% Oil cooler at stalingrad autumn.

No overheat, same as Yak1b, 114°c water and and 114°c Oil at 30% water and 45% oil radiator settings, still no overheat timer, just the short reminder to watch at cooling temps at 105°c not the one that actually starts the destruction timer.

I dont know how realistic this is but this is what i tested a few days ago and if the ingame manual is correct, the overheat timer should start at maybe 105°c for the Yak/Lagg3 engines and 220°c cylinderhead temp in the La5.

With more radiator settings i can get the Yak1b to go 528kph at rated temps so not a huge decrease but the La5 should suffer more when going by max engine temps from the manual, have to test this now to be sure.

 

edit: So i tested max temps from the manual +5°c for bonus, so 220°c cylinderhead temp and i needed 40% cooling flaps and 50% rads and i reached 532kph at 100m.

        Of course it was difficult to nail exact 220°c with just 5min of boost time but anyone can test it himself.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Ishtaru

[Wulf]

A 110F would have actually been historical in Stalingrad, And the Game Lacked them for far too long in favour of an Aircraft that didn't Serve in anything even close to the numbers of the 110F.

I think this business of excluding aircraft  (typically the 190) from certain servers is just daft.  Online participation is poor at best and yet these people seem to think the best way forward is to further deter participation by insisting people fly the aircraft they want them to fly, or not fly at all.  Supposedly, this makes their servers 'historically accurate', a notion that would be utterly laughable if it wasn't so sad. Well their servers so their rules I guess but it hardly seems likely to engender good will.   

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I think this business of excluding aircraft  (typically the 190) from certain servers is just daft.  Online participation is poor at best and yet these people seem to think the best way forward is to further deter participation by insisting people fly the aircraft they want them to fly, or not fly at all.  Supposedly, this makes their servers 'historically accurate', a notion that would be utterly laughable if it wasn't so sad. Well their servers so their rules I guess but it hardly seems likely to engender good will.   

Just to clarify: I don't use Troll as a derrogatory Term, it's just a way of Indirectly Delivering a Message, often more interesting and funny. For me Troll is a Semi-Positive Term. 

 

Now that we have the 190 I don't mind having it at all. It's an amazing JaBo and a Decent Destroyer of Peshkas. I just think it was a Mistake to put it in BoS instead of adding it later on as a DLC like the Yak-1b. 

The Place the 190 took would have Rightfully belonged to a Bf110F. 

It is historically accurate not to have 190s Present in Pre 1943 Missions, what's the Problem?

[JtD]

What I like about the real La-5F and makes it one of my favourite WW2 fighrers is the cut down rear fuselage and the aerodynamic improvements over the early La-5. Both of which we're not getting with just the different engine. So while it will be a noticeable improvement in terms of performance, it doesn't mean much to me.

[Finkeren]

Just to clarify: I don't use Troll as a derrogatory Term, it's just a way of Indirectly Delivering a Message, often more interesting and funny. For me Troll is a Semi-Positive Term.

With all due respect Klaus. "Troll" is a derogatory term, no matter how you perceive it. To avoid confusion it's probably best to stay away from it, unless you clearly mean it in the negative sense.

[Finkeren]

What I like about the real La-5F and makes it one of my favourite WW2 fighrers is the cut down rear fuselage and the aerodynamic improvements over the early La-5. Both of which we're not getting with just the different engine. So while it will be a noticeable improvement in terms of performance, it doesn't mean much to me.

The La-5F without the cut-down fuselage and new canopy is just as "real" as the more well-known design. There were 800 of them produced plus who knows how many old La-5s that were upgraded with the new engine.

 

I agree, that the later La-5F has much more appeal to me as well, but that would require modeling an entire new aircraft, not just an engine modification.

[ShamrockOneFive]

What I like about the real La-5F and makes it one of my favourite WW2 fighrers is the cut down rear fuselage and the aerodynamic improvements over the early La-5. Both of which we're not getting with just the different engine. So while it will be a noticeable improvement in terms of performance, it doesn't mean much to me.

 

I think we're all still hoping to see the La-5F show up as a Collector Plane. Still great to have this engine modification.

[Sgt_Joch]

The La-5F without the cut-down fuselage and new canopy is just as "real" as the more well-known design. There were 800 of them produced plus who knows how many old La-5s that were upgraded with the new engine.

 

Do you have a link for that? would like to get more info.

 

I was leafing through my copy of Gordon/Khazanov and the cut down rear deck appeared with the series 9, i.e. the one after  the series 8 we have in game. So the new fuselage and the M82F would have  entered series production at about the same time.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Sgt_Joch

[Finkeren]

I guess I could've misunderstood Gordon. I took it to mean, that the cut-down fuselage was introduced on the 9th batch after the M-82F was introduced, which would give us 800 La-5Fs with the old canopy.