IL2 Cliff of Dover now very good!

[BraveSirRobin]

One could say the same about the Ju-52.

 

That is not even remotely the same.

 

1.  Ju 52 was not made flyable.

2.  Making Ju 52 flyable is much easier to justify, considering that large numbers of 52s flew in combat.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

I'll mention the 108.  What a ridiculous waste of effort...

 

I did scratch my head on that choice as well...maybe it was a plane that someone really wanted to model...that's the only explanation I can come up with.

[BraveSirRobin]

I did scratch my head on that choice as well...maybe it was a plane that someone really wanted to model...that's the only explanation I can come up with.

 

Only if they absolutely refused to work on anything else.

[sallee]

I don't think anyone is paying them to do it. It's a labour of love so utilitarian arguments are valueless.

[BraveSirRobin]

I don't think anyone is paying them to do it. It's a labour of love so utilitarian arguments are valueless.

 

Except that every time I turn around someone is saying how great it would be if TF took over development of this game or RoF.  If the 108 is an indication of their priorities, TF is the LAST group of people I want to take over a sim.

[II./JG27_Rich]

In depth review...Did I put this up before? I'm having a senior moment.

 

[Buzzsaw]

The Bf-108 'Taifun' cockpit is being done for several reasons:

 

- It will provide an advanced trainer for new players coming into CoD and the hobby.  It has more complex controls, (flaps, pitch control, retractable undercarriage, etc.) than the Tiger Moth and is a monoplane.  It can be controlled by two players online in the same way as the Tiger Moth.

 

- The modeler for the Bf-108 will be going onto much more complex cockpits later, and to start, he wanted to practice his skills with a simple cockpit, so that later, when he comes to aircraft which the community will be really excited about, he will have the experience required to do a superb job.   For many Team Fusion members, although many, (including this gentleman) have professional experience in working with 3D tools, the format and techniques used in CoD are different than other work.  So for these people, who put a premium on delivered the highest quality work, its a case of 'learning on the job'.

 

At TF we are taking a long term view... to build a group of team members who are going to deliver the quality and standards which people expect.

Edited March 29, 2015 by Buzzsaw

[dburne]

 

At TF we are taking a long term view... to build a group of team members who are going to deliver the quality and standards which people expect.

 

Sounds very exciting and promising for the future, thank you for all that you guys at TF do!!

[sallee]

The Bf-108 'Taifun' cockpit is being done for several reasons:

 

- It will provide an advanced trainer for new players coming into CoD and the hobby.  It has more complex controls, (flaps, pitch control, retractable undercarriage, etc.) than the Tiger Moth and is a monoplane.  It can be controlled by two players online in the same way as the Tiger Moth.

 

- The modeler for the Bf-108 will be going onto much more complex cockpits later, and to start, he wanted to practice his skills with a simple cockpit, so that later, when he comes to aircraft which the community will be really excited about, he will have the experience required to do a superb job.   For many Team Fusion members, although many, (including this gentleman) have professional experience in working with 3D tools, the format and techniques used in CoD are different than other work.  So for these people, who put a premium on delivered the highest quality work, its a case of 'learning on the job'.

 

At TF we are taking a long term view... to build a group of team members who are going to deliver the quality and standards which people expect.

Your work is hugely appreciated...in many quarters. Thanks.

[oneeyeddog]

The Bf-108 'Taifun' cockpit is being done for several reasons:

 

- It will provide an advanced trainer for new players coming into CoD and the hobby.  It has more complex controls, (flaps, pitch control, retractable undercarriage, etc.) than the Tiger Moth and is a monoplane.  It can be controlled by two players online in the same way as the Tiger Moth.

 

- The modeler for the Bf-108 will be going onto much more complex cockpits later, and to start, he wanted to practice his skills with a simple cockpit, so that later, when he comes to aircraft which the community will be really excited about, he will have the experience required to do a superb job.   For many Team Fusion members, although many, (including this gentleman) have professional experience in working with 3D tools, the format and techniques used in CoD are different than other work.  So for these people, who put a premium on delivered the highest quality work, its a case of 'learning on the job'.

 

At TF we are taking a long term view... to build a group of team members who are going to deliver the quality and standards which people expect.

I commend anyone who is willing to devote their time and expertise for the benefit of the community. I believe its only right to appreciate their work, Thanks and S!

[JG4_Continuo]

The Bf-108 'Taifun' cockpit is being done for several reasons:

 

- It will provide an advanced trainer for new players coming into CoD and the hobby.  It has more complex controls, (flaps, pitch control, retractable undercarriage, etc.) than the Tiger Moth and is a monoplane.  It can be controlled by two players online in the same way as the Tiger Moth.

 

- The modeler for the Bf-108 will be going onto much more complex cockpits later, and to start, he wanted to practice his skills with a simple cockpit, so that later, when he comes to aircraft which the community will be really excited about, he will have the experience required to do a superb job.   For many Team Fusion members, although many, (including this gentleman) have professional experience in working with 3D tools, the format and techniques used in CoD are different than other work.  So for these people, who put a premium on delivered the highest quality work, its a case of 'learning on the job'.

 

At TF we are taking a long term view... to build a group of team members who are going to deliver the quality and standards which people expect.

 

Everyone who has only once given a virtual flight-lesson does know how practical this 108 will be... Sitting in the same cockpit, its much easier for the teacher to comment the students actions and correct him.

Also, the bf108 has quite a simple cockpit, compared to other fighters, so I guess it is the perfect opportunity to practice!

[BraveSirRobin]

- It will provide an advanced trainer for new players coming into CoD and the hobby.  It has more complex controls, (flaps, pitch control, retractable undercarriage, etc.) than the Tiger Moth and is a monoplane.  It can be controlled by two players online in the same way as the Tiger Moth.

 

I'm sure the 2 guys who take advantage of that will really appreciate it.

 

But it's still a ridiculous waste of resources.

[Mysticpuma]

I'm sure the 2 guys who take advantage of that will really appreciate it.

 

But it's still a ridiculous waste of resources.

It's been explained why. "A ridiculous waste of resources" is not something we consider it to be. Learning to make a cockpit is something that is necessary so that we can add new flyables in future updates.

 

If you think having a modeller able to produce cockpits for the future progress of CloD is a waste of resources, then you are beyond convincing and it's not worth the effort of trying.

 

Fortunately there are others who understand this process, so cheers to them for their appreciation and understanding

[ST_ami7b5]

MP, just ignore BSR (like I do).

[Edited]

Thanks for your wonderful work!

Edited March 31, 2015 by Bearcat

[wellenbrecher]

Is he a troll? I always thought he was just hilariously defensive of anything that (in his mind) "threatens" or criticises BoS.

 

 

I did scratch my head on that choice as well...maybe it was a plane that someone really wanted to model...that's the only explanation I can come up with.

Given the TF fellas' answers later this is moot obviously, but keep in mind that they're not modelling the whole damn plane. It's already there, they're doing "only" a cockpit for the reasons mentioned by the two further up.

And a proper non-AI FM and DM I assume.

Edited March 30, 2015 by wellenbrecher

[sallee]

That is a cock on his avatar?

[FS_Fenice_1965]

Providing a trainer for the Luftwaffe, gives an exact idea of the level of TF aims for this sim.

As a matter of fact, having a trainer only for one side was an evident unbalance. If they have decided to take care also of this aspect, we can hope a level of update on pair with sims that have commercial support.

[BraveSirRobin]

It's been explained why. "A ridiculous waste of resources" is not something we consider it to be. 

 

I understand that you don't think it's a waste of resources.  That's why I don't think your group's judgement should be trusted.

 

If you want to "learn how to add a cockpit to an aircraft", do it with a useful aircraft.

Edited March 30, 2015 by BraveSirRobin

[Leaf]

That is a cock on his avatar?

 

Sallee, don't go there... :D

[Chuck_Owl]

I understand that you don't think it's a waste of resources.  That's why I don't think your group's judgement should be trusted.

 

If you want to "learn how to add a cockpit to an aircraft", do it with a useful aircraft.

 

When you write complete nonsense like this, I'm not sure I'd trust your judgement over Team Fusion's. 

 

Modelling a 3D cockpit on an existing external 3D model is much easier than doing it from scratch on a new 3D model. That's how learning 3D modelling works: you start small and gradually improve on what you learned.

Edited March 30, 2015 by 71st_AH_Chuck

[BraveSirRobin]

When you write complete nonsense like this, I'm not sure I'd trust your judgement over Team Fusion's. 

 

 

I'm not writing complete nonsense (it probably helps if you read what I actually posted, and not what you'd like to believe that I posted), and I don't really give a crap what you think of my judgment.  There are plenty of other AI aircraft in CoD that could be made flyable that actually saw combat.  The decision to make the 108 flyable makes no sense at all.  Period.

[CisTer-dB-]

Weren't we married before Brave?

[BraveSirRobin]

[[KWN]T-oddball]

I'm not writing complete nonsense (it probably helps if you read what I actually posted, and not what you'd like to believe that I posted), and I don't really give a crap what you think of my judgment.  There are plenty of other AI aircraft in CoD that could be made flyable that actually saw combat.  The decision to make the 108 flyable makes no sense at all.  Period.

 

I totally agree with you Brave.....stupid TF people....

 

I think you should show TF how to work smartly...

 

here is the link to download blender

 

here are some tut's to get you started https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=blender+tutorial+

 

here are some pics of the CR42 cockpit http://www.ipmsstockholm.se/home/fiat-cr-42-falco-j-11-in-detail/

 

Now I can see from your posts that you are passionate so we will be expecting updates every Friday along with pics of your progress and we will tolerate no slacking!..../sarcasm

 

when people are doing work for free your only response should be ...thank you! 

Edited March 30, 2015 by T-oddball

[BraveSirRobin]

when people are doing work for free your only response should be ...thank you! 

 

Dumb decisions made at no charge are still dumb decisions.  And I removed CoD from my PC, so I don't plan to thank them for anything.

[dburne]

 

 

when people are doing work for free your only response should be ...thank you! 

 

A big plus 1 to that!!

 

What TF has done for Cliffs of Dover is absolutely spectacular, and they have been putting in no telling how many man hours for us, the flight simmer.

I for one am very grateful for all that they have done for this sim!

[sallee]

 

And let's not be partisan. This applies to everyone who is so selfless and devoid of mercenary motives in pursuing something. So a big thank you to BSR for making himself look such a total arse with no expectation of any reward.

[BraveSirRobin]

An arse?  LOL  I'm not being partisan at all.  I'd say the same thing if 7771C added a flyable 108 instead of aircraft that actually saw significant combat.

[Chuck_Owl]

For someone who hasn't contributed or given anything to the CloD community, you sure do feel entitled to an awful lot, BSR.

 

Yawn.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

An arse?  LOL  I'm not being partisan at all.  I'd say the same thing if 7771C added a flyable 108 instead of aircraft that actually saw significant combat.

They are adding the MC.202, there were like 12 on the eastern front?

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

They are adding the MC.202, there were like 12 on the eastern front?

 

I was waiting for somebody to make that point.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

For someone who hasn't contributed or given anything to the CloD community, you sure do feel entitled to an awful lot, BSR.

 

Yawn.

 

I'm actually not feeling entitled to anything, since I removed the game from my PC.

 

None of which changes the fact that it's an obviously stupid decision.

They are adding the MC.202, there were like 12 on the eastern front?

 

Those 12 aircraft probably saw more combat than all the 108s combined.

[JG4_Continuo]

 

Those 12 aircraft probably saw more combat than all the 108s combined.

 

uuuuuhhhh..... I wouldnt be sure about that... there were many 108s, you know...

[dburne]

Edit - never mind.

Not even worth the effort...

Edited March 31, 2015 by dburne

[dburne]

Copied from a post yesterday from the TF Leadership:

 

<<<Everything we do is subject to the demands of real life and everyone needs to remember the key phrase: "Sh*t Happens".

There are NO deadlines and NO Guarantees.

What we have announced to this point which SHOULD be flyable for TF 5.0 is as follows:

Wellington IA
P-40E
F4f-3/Martlet
Bf-108 Taifun
Tiger Moth with guns and bombs
Blenheim IV with wing bombs added, plus twin Browning rear turret
Bf-109E-7 and E-7NZ
Bf-109F... no details on exact model(s) have yet been released
Spitfire(s) comparable era as 109E-7 and F no details on exact models released yet
Hurricane(s) comparable era as 109E-7 and F no details on exact models released yet

What we have announced we are working on as well... whether they are ready or not for TF 5.0... difficult to say.

Beaufighter IF/IC
Fiat CR-42
Gloster Gladiator

plus several other aircraft which we haven't mentioned.

There are also quite a number of ships and vehicles, some of which are complete, some in progress, some have been seen in updates some not.

And of course, the map(s)... Which we are not saying anything about >>>

 

Thank you TF, for ALL that you do!!!

The flight sim community is very lucky, to have a team of dedicated Cliffs of Dover enthusiast to do all of this work for us, the community, at the expense of your time, and provide it at no cost to us.

Edited March 31, 2015 by dburne

[-NW-ChiefRedCloud]

Well BSR is certainly allowed his opinion as is everyone else ... and as anyone is allowed to disagree with him or others if they choose. So as someone that can be set in their opinion, that would be myself, I would think that you made a wise choice in removing CloD from your computer. You certainly do not want to play something you don't like, correct? Any ways .... cheers ...

 

Chief

[BraveSirRobin]

Copied from a post yesterday from the TF Leadership:

 

<<<Everything we do is subject to the demands of real life and everyone needs to remember the key phrase: "Sh*t Happens".

 

There are NO deadlines and NO Guarantees.

 

What we have announced to this point which SHOULD be flyable for TF 5.0 is as follows:

 

Wellington IA

P-40E

F4f-3/Martlet

Bf-108 Taifun

Tiger Moth with guns and bombs

Blenheim IV with wing bombs added, plus twin Browning rear turret

Bf-109E-7 and E-7NZ

Bf-109F... no details on exact model(s) have yet been released

Spitfire(s) comparable era as 109E-7 and F no details on exact models released yet

Hurricane(s) comparable era as 109E-7 and F no details on exact models released yet

 

What we have announced we are working on as well... whether they are ready or not for TF 5.0... difficult to say.

 

Beaufighter IF/IC

Fiat CR-42

Gloster Gladiator

 

plus several other aircraft which we haven't mentioned.

 

There are also quite a number of ships and vehicles, some of which are complete, some in progress, some have been seen in updates some not.

 

And of course, the map(s)... Which we are not saying anything about >>>

 

Thank you TF, for ALL that you do!!!

The flight sim community is very lucky, to have a team of dedicated Cliffs of Dover enthusiast to do all of this work for us, the community, at the expense of your time, and provide it at no cost to us.

 

Considering all the complaining you have done about BoS design decisions, your TF boot-licking is a little surprising.

 

Just kidding, it's not surprising at all...

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Considering all the complaining you have done about BoS design decisions, your TF boot-licking is a little surprising.

 

Just kidding, it's not surprising at all...

 

 

The 108 (and the large list of other aircraft that you ignored) make perfect sense.

 

Don't like it or see the sense in it? Cool. You don't play it (you stated that yourself, no? LOL.), you don't contribute to it financially or creatively, you don't matter to it. Go back to flying BOS... Or, even better, make your own forum full of your own opinions and ban us all from it! After that, start designing a flight simulator, scratch build cockpits and aircraft and design the majority of the assets for it - that way your opinion about the course of development will actually matter to someone! 

 

Above all else, be sure to go back to licking 777's boots. The Defense League has probably missed your absence in the time that you were commenting in threads that didn't pertain to you.

-snip- There are plenty of other AI aircraft in CoD that could be made flyable that actually saw combat.  -snip-

 

Oooooh... Like the Wellington, Beaufighter, Gladiator and CR-42 that are all currently in development? 

 

LOL.  

Edited March 31, 2015 by 4./JG26_Adler

[BraveSirRobin]

 

 

 

The 108 (and the large list of other aircraft that you ignored) make perfect sense.

 

 

 

I'm not ignoring them at all.  The other aircraft on that list make the decision to make the 108 a priority even more ridiculous.

Edited March 31, 2015 by BraveSirRobin

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I'm not ignoring them at all.  The other aircraft on that list make the decision to make the 108 a priority even more ridiculous.

 

 

-snip-

 

Don't like it or see the sense in it? Cool. You don't play it (you stated that yourself, no? LOL.), you don't contribute to it financially or creatively, you don't matter to it. Go back to flying BOS... Or, even better, make your own forum full of your own opinions and ban us all from it! After that, start designing a flight simulator, scratch build cockpits and aircraft and design the majority of the assets for it - that way your opinion about the course of development will actually matter to someone! 

 

-snip-