Tab Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 the only problem is that I am not interested in proving you anything everybody with at least some vague understanding of programming will come to the same conclusion. another old example of how devicelink can be exploited without second monitor or any other work http://www.cool-lab.com/Remote_HUD.php very historically accurate and available also for hurri, spits and 109s, giving no advantage at all
DD_bongodriver Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 So.......if it's used to cheat it's a bad thing but if it's not used to cheat it's a great thing, either way a hud overlay like shown is not something the average player can create and does require coding skills, presumably someone with good enough coding skills could cheat in some way or another anyway. I'm really not getting what the flight sim police are getting upset about here.
ATAG_Bliss Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 the only problem is that I am not interested in proving you anything everybody with at least some vague understanding of programming will come to the same conclusion. another old example of how devicelink can be exploited without second monitor or any other work http://www.cool-lab.com/Remote_HUD.php very historically accurate and available also for hurri, spits and 109s, giving no advantage at all But see, the issue is you think this is just like device link for old IL2. I guess it should have been named something different than "TF device link type interface for IL2COD". So yes, you can exploit the one for old IL2 based on how that was made. But the pictures/videos you show aren't happening with the TF version of an interface. It's quite impossible. The only way you could ever do something like that was to hack into the game in the 1st place. Which, that aint happening either. About the video proof, I just call people out on their BS. If you say it's so easy to do "2 lines of code" then you better be able to back up your statement with some sort of evidence. If not, you just have an opinion that isn't based on reality. And it's just like your preconceived notion that TF's version of displaying gauges is somehow the same way for the old game. Show me that same concept with IL2COD. If not, you might as well be comparing the engine of a Mercedes to a block of wood. It's not even remotely the same.
Bearcat Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 But IRL you can't look at your six and at gauges simultaneously. IRL you would need to rotate your head/shoulders back and then look at gauges, then look back again. If you were tracking somebody, you would probably lose the contact. With this piece of software you don't have to move your actual view, which can stay centered on the enemy contact. I think it's really a borderline to cheating. And this coupled with 1000 possibilities for exploits like sound warnings and timers for high temperatures makes it cheating for me personally. Think about your 1st sentence really hard. That pretty much sums up why it's not a cheat. And turning your head with track ir isn't really anything close to reality. You know where you were looking from muscle memory. Again, the point being you lose a contact from not looking at it anymore. As again, you even said it in your 1st sentence. About the buzzers and warnings, I have no idea what you are talking about. If it's not in game, it's not in the interface and CANT be added in. The software doesn't send data. It only receives it from the game. How people want to view that data is also restricted to what the sim transmits to everyone. I think the term cheat is highly over used. Besides.. I can look at my gauge.. zoom in zoom out and continue scanning all in one motion .. even in CoD. It is even easier to do in IL2. I just don't see an issue with this.. even if you could insert a line of code to let you know when your engine is overheating.. even if you do get bounced looking around at your gauges.. such is air combat.. guys got bounced taking a leak in their relief tubes.. fiddling with their compass.. looking at the picture of their honey ... reading a map.. that kind of stuff happened historically and happens in simming all the time .. I can look at my six from left to right completely by turning my head a total of about 60 degrees.. is that a cheat too? How about having a FFB stick that will feel the hits before I see them.. is that a cheat too? How about using my sticks profiling SW to set up a macro .. so that I can zoom in and out in CoD unlike some other folks who may not be able to do that .. is that a cheat? This utility looks to be pretty good.. I wouldn't use it.. I prefer to get used to the gauges on the plane.. but that's me.. but it looks pretty nice.
Dakpilot Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) So in full real this gives you the same as simplified gauges across the bottom of your screen? and in any colour/layout that you want or am I really not understanding this. In hindsight I wish I had never used the word "cheat" but in my defence this is what I said "Very useful and nice, but in full real, seems like a cheat to make all cockpits unhistorical in there look and ease of use" Cheers Dakpilot Edited May 28, 2014 by Dakpilot 1
Sokol1 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 The guy that use Devicelink have advantage? Yes, he can read Spit compass easy that one that dont use (although dont make sense read compass in dogfights). The Guy that use TrackIr have advantage? Yes, he can keep a better SA than a guy using POV HAT. The guy that use a Warthog have advantage? Yes, he have better control, precision, more accessible commands, that the guy using a Logitech 3D PRO. The guy that use 3 monitor have advantage? Yes, he can have better peripheral vision that one using a 20" (I ) The guy that have a better Internet connection have advantage? Yes, low pint, less delay... (mine in 2Mb). The guy that have a "monster" computer have advantage? Yes, better FPS, fluid graphics... Obuto chair, Oculus Rif, Force Feedback(?)... Devicelink/Virtual Cockpit is accessible? Yes, most of actual computers have dual output VGA or wireless, so one only need a 2nd monitor, iPad, Tablet, Smartphone, small LCD to show the instrument information. In il-2:46 days Devicelink was restrict because needed a second computer. So, instead argue against, use. Sokol1 4
DD_bongodriver Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Ok, who read Sokol's post back in a Yoda voice?.....I did, 'much wisdom it has...mmmm!' 3
oneeyeddog Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 The guy that use Devicelink have advantage? Yes, he can read Spit compass easy that one that dont use (although dont make sense read compass in dogfights). The Guy that use TrackIr have advantage? Yes, he can keep a better SA than a guy using POV HAT. The guy that use a Warthog have advantage? Yes, he have better control, precision, more accessible commands, that the guy using a Logitech 3D PRO. The guy that use 3 monitor have advantage? Yes, he can have better peripheral vision that one using a 20" (I ) The guy that have a better Internet connection have advantage? Yes, low pint, less delay... (mine in 2Mb). The guy that have a "monster" computer have advantage? Yes, better FPS, fluid graphics... Obuto chair, Oculus Rif, Force Feedback(?)... Devicelink/Virtual Cockpit is accessible? Yes, most of actual computers have dual output VGA or wireless, so one only need a 2nd monitor, iPad, Tablet, Smartphone, small LCD to show the instrument information. In il-2:46 days Devicelink was restrict because needed a second computer. So, instead argue against, use. Sokol1 Ok, who read Sokol's post back in a Yoda voice?.....I did, 'much wisdom it has...mmmm!' Ok, who read Sokol's post back in a Yoda voice?.....I did, 'much wisdom it has...mmmm!' Agree, I do
AX2 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) The guy that use Devicelink have advantage? Yes, he can read Spit compass easy that one that dont use (although dont make sense read compass in dogfights). The Guy that use TrackIr have advantage? Yes, he can keep a better SA than a guy using POV HAT. The guy that use a Warthog have advantage? Yes, he have better control, precision, more accessible commands, that the guy using a Logitech 3D PRO. The guy that use 3 monitor have advantage? Yes, he can have better peripheral vision that one using a 20" (I ) The guy that have a better Internet connection have advantage? Yes, low pint, less delay... (mine in 2Mb). The guy that have a "monster" computer have advantage? Yes, better FPS, fluid graphics... Obuto chair, Oculus Rif, Force Feedback(?)... Devicelink/Virtual Cockpit is accessible? Yes, most of actual computers have dual output VGA or wireless, so one only need a 2nd monitor, iPad, Tablet, Smartphone, small LCD to show the instrument information. In il-2:46 days Devicelink was restrict because needed a second computer. So, instead argue against, use. Sokol1 The Guy That use a Cheat, have an advantage over all that ? Yes is only a balancer Edited May 28, 2014 by Mustang
Sokol1 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) The Guy That use a Cheat, have an advantage over all that ? Yes is only a balancer Like the guy that look over the windshield in 1946? Or use NewView and look around 360 degrees? I use to set a instant view to see Spitfire compass in CloD (So I am using "unfair advantage" ). Mustang, you are in "dark side". Sokol1 Edited May 28, 2014 by Sokol1 1
Sokol1 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 An why not end the "worldfight" and back to subject: Sokol1 1
LBR=H_Ostermann Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 The guy that use Devicelink have advantage? Yes, he can read Spit compass easy that one that dont use (although dont make sense read compass in dogfights). The Guy that use TrackIr have advantage? Yes, he can keep a better SA than a guy using POV HAT. The guy that use a Warthog have advantage? Yes, he have better control, precision, more accessible commands, that the guy using a Logitech 3D PRO. The guy that use 3 monitor have advantage? Yes, he can have better peripheral vision that one using a 20" (I ) The guy that have a better Internet connection have advantage? Yes, low pint, less delay... (mine in 2Mb). The guy that have a "monster" computer have advantage? Yes, better FPS, fluid graphics... Obuto chair, Oculus Rif, Force Feedback(?)... Devicelink/Virtual Cockpit is accessible? Yes, most of actual computers have dual output VGA or wireless, so one only need a 2nd monitor, iPad, Tablet, Smartphone, small LCD to show the instrument information. In il-2:46 days Devicelink was restrict because needed a second computer. So, instead argue against, use. Sokol1 +1 Direct hit :D Boa Sokol
Tab Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) The guy that use Devicelink have advantage? Yes, he can read Spit compass easy that one that dont use (although dont make sense read compass in dogfights). ... So, instead argue against, use. Sokol1 you are mixing apples and oranges there. Better joystick gives a better quality of the same control as logitech 3d pro. There is nothing you can do with warthog that you can't do with logitech 3d pro and keyboard. The same applies to monitors and resolutions (there are even some drawbacks behind it). The better fps is valid point, but with the most consumer monitors framerates above 60 are useless. And anyway you get a better quality, not another quality/feature. trackir is better than pov-hat, but mouse with il2newview can beat it some aspects. All these are advantages one can buy, but they are only advantages in quality, not in possibilities. As opposite, devicelink gives you possibilities, that are simply not there, if you are not using it. il2newview is a kindergarten compared to devicelink possibilities. Hell, guys even built own bots for il2 1946. This particulary is not possible in clod, since in clod the interface is read-only, but such overlay-huds with easy layouts are pretty doable. Edited May 28, 2014 by Tab
AX2 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 (edited) Mustang, you are in "dark side". NOT IM NOT But some people at the past YES.. And today I dont know.. I do not understand the video . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZgoOPUfxbk Also. I'm kidding. Ofcourse Edited May 28, 2014 by Mustang
Sokol1 Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 All these are advantages one can buy, Same for Devicelink, if you are using the MOD'ded version of the game only need buy a extra LCD, Tablet, iPad, smartphone... The program are free, and easy to use. Despite I have a TrackIR I dont use - leave sick. But if I cant afford one I shall argue against people use? When people are arguing against these "unfair advantages" in il-2:46, others are using things like this and is not Devicelink related, just using game log. So the best is that the possibilities are accessible to all. Devicelink is, thanks to TF. I doubt that one became a "ace" by using the "unfair advantages" of VC. BTW - Devicelink dont work in "vanila" game, so dissatisfied people have option. Sokol1
1./JG42Nephris Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Is it still Clod that we are discussing about?
Bando Posted May 28, 2014 Posted May 28, 2014 Sokol, you made my day. Great post. Walking in the air is a beautiful film btw
ATAG_Bliss Posted June 1, 2014 Posted June 1, 2014 TS: Server: Forum: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/index.php What are you having problems with? Everything has always been up 24/7.
Wolger Posted June 2, 2014 Posted June 2, 2014 TS: Server: Forum: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/index.php What are you having problems with? Everything has always been up 24/7. OK this is weird. I could only see other servers except for the two ATAG servers in ingame server browser and the web site was inaccessible since last Thursday/Friday. Will check again when back home, could be my problem or ISP's. Office's proxy is blocking gaming pages.
Valisk61 Posted June 6, 2014 Posted June 6, 2014 If you haven't seen this yet, you're in for a real treat - the ACG chaps have excelled themselves with this one! 4
dburne Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 If you haven't seen this yet, you're in for a real treat - the ACG chaps have excelled themselves with this one! I just watched this whole video, and all I can say is WOW - I can only imagine the amount of time and work that was put into flying , recording, and editing this awesome video. Thank you so much for sharing this, I had not seen it before. What a great job this video does of showing what Cliffs of Dover is all about, and capable of. A great example of why TF modded Cliffs will remain my #1 go to combat flight sim, for a long time to come.
snowsnipersnow_sniper Posted June 7, 2014 Posted June 7, 2014 awesome video. One of the best. giving sense of hard labour of TF and quality of the game with latest patchs.
snowsnipersnow_sniper Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 !!!!!!!!!! Surprise de TF sur ATAG: Team Fusion Update June 13th 2014 - Honestly, yes, you did see that http://vimeo.com/98123875 A new Plane for TF 5.00 ??? for all who loves bombers .... http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11388 3
sallee Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Mais....c'est pas vrai!!!?? Putain!! Si! C'est vrai!
Valisk61 Posted June 13, 2014 Posted June 13, 2014 Brilliant! Can't wait to see how the 'pit turns out.
JG4_DUI Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 Amazing how many talented movie makers there are in the flight sim community. The new Guardians of Britain, The Hardest Day by IIN8II is definitely among my most favourite ones: 1
LLv44_Mprhead Posted June 16, 2014 Posted June 16, 2014 I have some issues flying in CloD, so maybe someone can point me to right direction? Like where you can see if you have automatic prop pitch control (bf 109 E-4) on? Is there automatic radiator control in any models of Bf 109 E? I also could use some advice in CEM in other planes too. And what are the default settings in ATAG server considering these things?
Bounder Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) I have some issues flying in CloD, so maybe someone can point me to right direction? Like where you can see if you have automatic prop pitch control (bf 109 E-4) on? Is there automatic radiator control in any models of Bf 109 E? I also could use some advice in CEM in other planes too. And what are the default settings in ATAG server considering these things? - Not sure there is anyway to tell if auto prop pitch is engaged in the cockpit - by default it is on (in the E4). You can obviously check by toggling your short-cut for it. - There is no auto radiator control for the emil - you need to set your water radiator and oil rad. From memory roughly 3/4 open for water (check position of rod in the right wing) and ~50% open for oil rad is good for most situations but keep an eye on temps and adjust as needed (disclaimer - I've not played Cliffs in ages so that may be out of date a little). - For CEM of all a/c check out the team fusion wiki page: http://www.theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/wiki/doku.php?id=start and go to 'Cliffs of Dover - Flight Manuals'. - ATAG settings are full real (e.g. 'realistic' engine management / no outside views / no padlock enemy / no aircraft labels / limited ammo / fuel etc etc). If you need labels the AX dogfight server is probably a good bet - full real but with aircraft labels. Other advantages/disadvantages (depending on how you like things) is that it runs a very small map and is pure dogfight orientated. Edited June 17, 2014 by Bounder 1
BlueHeron Posted June 17, 2014 Posted June 17, 2014 (edited) Now, that's the kind of movie we were hoping to see when CloD was first being shown in late 2010. If only it were so back then, the game would have been the the true successor we were waiting for. Oh well, good things come to those who wait! Outstanding movie! Edited June 17, 2014 by BlueHeron
II./JG27_Rich Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 To say it marketing-wise: CloD is what you make of it! If you want to fly with squadron mates in a dynamic campaign with and against numerous other squadrons, have a look at the Storm of War campaigns and (as far as I heard) at the soon to come ATAG-hosted campaigns. The standard server missions are not diversified enough? Gather all your squadron mates and make the missions as exciting as you like. To give you some impression of what is possible in CloD, here is a short video of our "New Year's Squadron Gathering" on ATAG server with 24 members of JG4 and 3 members of StG2 attacking a French airfield with up to 10 He 111 and 15+ Bf 109 on a full server 100 pilots: "Boring predictable server"? Tell this the Blenheim and Hurricane pilots who ran into us! P.S. Excuse the stutters in the video - for the video editing I raised the graphical settings on a level that was not adequate to the performance of my outdated hardware. How do you get those external shots when the track recorder in COD won't let you show externals if the server doesn't have externals turned on?
DD_Arthur Posted June 21, 2014 Posted June 21, 2014 How do you get those external shots when the track recorder in COD won't let you show externals if the server doesn't have externals turned on? Ask nicely in this thread; http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1782&p=125015#post125015
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 Amazing how many talented movie makers there are in the flight sim community. The new Guardians of Britain, The Hardest Day by IIN8II is definitely among my most favourite ones: Man, I wish I could make stuff that good.
II./JG27_Rich Posted June 23, 2014 Posted June 23, 2014 (edited) Ask nicely in this thread; http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1782&p=125015#post125015 Thanks arthursmedledey. Waiting for approval Edited June 23, 2014 by II./JG27_Rich
Catseye Posted June 24, 2014 Posted June 24, 2014 I have some issues flying in CloD, so maybe someone can point me to right direction? Like where you can see if you have automatic prop pitch control (bf 109 E-4) on? Is there automatic radiator control in any models of Bf 109 E? I also could use some advice in CEM in other planes too. And what are the default settings in ATAG server considering these things? Hi JG51mprhead, Start here: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5058&p=52711 and here: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/forum.php 1
Mad_Mikhael Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 Hi JG51mprhead, Start here: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5058&p=52711 and here: http://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/forum.php Thanks.
LLv44_Mprhead Posted June 25, 2014 Posted June 25, 2014 I got most of my problems also sorted out now
LLv34_Flanker Posted June 26, 2014 Posted June 26, 2014 S! Flew CloD offline last night a bit and must say it runs really smoothly now and graphics are improved over the original. No TrackIR so not going online, would be blind as a bat there
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