Swastika in game

[SJ_Butcher]

I have a request, I don't know if is this was asked before or if exist a mod that allow the swastika. I think that German planes looks ugly with that censored swastika because some people is way to sensitive, I like the historical accuracy and should be a way to enable or replace the censored whatever it is, that doesn't mean I am a nazi or something but as I said before I love the historical accuracy, I can argue the same against the red army, because the communist went too far and I feel atacked by them and blabla, but that should be a political discussion which is out of this petition.

 

There is a way to enable or disable that symbol? why is not region locked for example? or like gore add a tick or option that warn you about that? In my country for example nobody care about it, I understand that the Europeans are sensitive to this, but many people don't even care or want historical accuracy like me.

 

Cheers  

[BlitzPig_EL]

It's against the law in several countries around the world where the game is distributed,

 

It will not happen.

 

This subject has been covered many times in every iteration of this title for over a decade.

 

I don't like it either, but that's how it is.

[TP_Silk]

A quick forum search would reveal that this question has been asked and answered multiple times. The reason that symbol is not in the game at all is down to legal requirements in some countries where this game is distributed.

[SJ_Butcher]

It's against the law in several countries around the world where the game is distributed,

 

It will not happen.

 

This subject has been covered many times in every iteration of this title for over a decade.

 

I don't like it either, but that's how it is.

 

But a tick is not a hard thing to do... if your country is against it, leave it by default off and if you want to enable it is by your own risk.

 

A quick forum search would reveal that this question has been asked and answered multiple times. The reason that symbol is not in the game at all is down to legal requirements in some countries where this game is distributed.

 

I said again, clicked off by default with a tick, or there is a mod that allow this?

[wtornado]

For many of the old folks I know from USSR countries that live in Canada here the Red Star was just as bad as the Swastika for them.

 

I was close to the sons of an old man from Poland that was mistreated by the Nazis and was forced to work for them at 14 years old and then when the Red Star came

he had seen enough and came to Canada.Poor old bugger.

 

He told me stories that would make your hair curl and that was when he would talk about it.

 

They should put it in for everyone and leave the option for countries that have banned it to leave it out in accordance for the law.

Edited February 2, 2017 by WTornado

[ShamrockOneFive]

But a tick is not a hard thing to do... if your country is against it, leave it by default off and if you want to enable it is by your own risk.

 

 

I said again, clicked off by default with a tick, or there is a mod that allow this?

 

The team has already responded in prior threads that its not happening that way.

[SJ_Butcher]

For many of the old folks I know from USSR countries that live in Canada here the Red Star was just as bad as the Swastika for them.

 

I was close to the sons of an old man an old man from Poland that was mistreated by the Nazis and was forced to work for them at 14 years old and then when the Red Star came

he had seen enough and came to Canada.Poor old bugger.

 

He told me stories that would make your hair curl and that was when he would talk about it.

 

They should put it in for everyone and leave the option for countries that have banned it to leave it out in accordance for the law.

 

that is what I am asking for, an option is really that simple

[Danziger]

Everybody loves a good swastika on the plane but I don't think it will happen. It's a small team and they are stretched pretty thin with the current schedule. I don't think they would have the spare resources right now to go back and edit every German skin in the game. This is where the community can help out by putting the swastikas on German skins. Maybe even someone will come up with a swastika mod like old Il-2 or CloD when mods on mode comes.

[Finkeren]

The mods on mode should solve this pretty easy.

 

Nothing for the devs to get involved in.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Finkeren

[csThor]

Butcher, unfortunately "an option" is not "simple" given the context. The 1C studio is located in Moscow so russian law applies to them. A few years ago the state of Russia introduced a law prohibiting "national-socialist propaganda" but unfortunately remained so vague on what qualifies as such that 1C - the mother corporation - decided to omit the swastika from any future title it would publish. Even providing the "option" could get the devs into very hot waters with the russian authorities, something that a few pixels in this game are simply not worth it, as I am sure you'll agree.

[Notclear]

The only problem I see with this policy concern the finnish airforce. Their swatiska doesn't represent a national socialist ideology, and are on theirs aircrafts since 1918.

A little truncated cross on the tail of an aircraft, has a little effect compared to big swatiska on the flank and wings of the finnish planes.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Notclear

[SJ_Butcher]

Everybody loves a good swastika on the plane but I don't think it will happen. It's a small team and they are stretched pretty thin with the current schedule. I don't think they would have the spare resources right now to go back and edit every German skin in the game. This is where the community can help out by putting the swastikas on German skins. Maybe even someone will come up with a swastika mod like old Il-2 or CloD when mods on mode comes.

 

is that planed? the mod manager or mod support for this sim?

[Danziger]

Yes it is. Mods on mode will let the community fill in a lot of content that the developers don't have time for. Apart from adding planes. I think ground vehicles and objects should be fine. As well as gui mods and music mods, sound mods and such. I also wonder about ground texture mods. Some photo realistic ground textures like Starway, Barthek and Mustang have made for the DCS Caucuses map would be awesome.

[Dakpilot]

There were HD texture/bump map mods for ground textures in RoF mods on mode, so the possibility, I am sure will exist

 

Cheers Dakpilot 

[Aap]

The only problem I see with this policy concern the finnish airforce. Their swatiska doesn't represent a national socialist ideology, and are on theirs aircrafts since 1918.

A little truncated cross on the tail of an aircraft, has a little effect compared to big swatiska on the flank and wings of the finnish planes.

 

I agree. While it is a shame that we can't use fully historical markings, it is kind of understandable with German planes, as it against the law in some countries and we are talking about a smallish symbol on the tail of a plane. But when using a Finnish skin, you see the incorrect markings immediately when you look out of your cockpit nad it kind of ruins it. We are talking about actual insignia of the planes here. I wonder if that swastika is even against the law in Germany, as according to Wikipedia the Swastika as a symbol of the Nazi Party is forbidden. Clearly that is not the case with Finnish plane insignia.

Edited February 2, 2017 by II./JG77_Kemp

[csThor]

I agree. While it is a shame that we can't use fully historical markings, it is kind of understandable with German planes, as it against the law in some countries and we are talking about a smallish symbol on the tail of a plane. But when using a Finnish skin, you see the incorrect markings immediately when you look out of your cockpit nad it kind of ruins it. We are talking about actual insignia of the planes here. I wonder if that swastika is even against the law in Germany, as according to Wikipedia the Swastika as a symbol of the Nazi Party is forbidden. Clearly that is not the case with Finnish plane insignia.

Yes, the hakaristi is not exempted from the general ban as specified in § 86a of the german penal code.

[JG1_Pragr]

I think that Finnish Air Force swastika issue is quite different to the German one and even worse to some point. Unlike the Germany which was defeated eventually, the Finland actually won the war with Soviet Union. At least in that context, it could stay relatively independent though former Stalin's plan called for total annihilation of this small brave country and its incorporation into Soviet Union. The Finnish swastika represents successful resistance to Soviet Union/Russia government power therefore its political/legal restrictions have to be even more strict.

 

We can discus why the Nazi swastika is banned in some countries while there is no such restrictions applied to red star or other communist symbols. But from the game point of view the only valid argumentation is legal restrictions in countries it is distributed for. Developers have to comply with all legislation in each country no matter if it's good or bad.

[SJ_Butcher]

The funny thing is that the Nazi took the swastika from the vikings (a viking symbol) and now its forbidden because all think that symbol was made from the Nazis lol. But ok, maybe one day we can enjoy that historical accuracy

[coconut]

Swastikas are already allowed in custom skins.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

The funny thing is that the Nazi took the swastika from the vikings (a viking symbol) and now its forbidden because all think that symbol was made from the Nazis lol. But ok, maybe one day we can enjoy that historical accuracy

 

The Swastika predates the Vikings and originates from Southeast Asia if I recall correctly. 

[GreenSocialist]

The red star represents Socialism - the rising of the oppressed workers shaping a better, fairer world (though being corrupted and becoming the perpetrator itself). The swastika represents the Nazis - a political ideology of murdering the weak and inferior. It is the intent of Nazi ideology that is so offensive. And today with Trump being directed by Dan O'Bannon, one can feel that that softening the horror of the Nazis is only helping it return.

[SJ_Butcher]

The Swastika predates the Vikings and originates from Southeast Asia if I recall correctly. 

 

even worse lol, but I saw a few viking tools with a swastika

[LukeFF]

[BlackSix]

The discussion moved to political issues, closed.