Bf 110 G-2: First Impressions

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Hey guys - post your thoughts on the new G-2 here.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

I like it!

 

My thoughts after just a few minutes with it, if you are used to the E2 you won't get surprised, felt like it had plenty of power even with the BK on it, no problems manoevering around with it. I think in clean config with minimal (40%) fuel load it will be able to hold it's own against fighters much better than the E2, of course that needs testing online... The BK shoots straight and worked well though I only tried against T70s (what the Quick Mission gave me to shoot at). 

[E69_geramos109]

I have problems to start engines in a cold start. Anyone has the same?

 

I have to turn on engines one by one. Just after the start pull the gas or the engine turns off and wait warming to start the second. 

[[CPT]milopugdog]

I have problems to start engines in a cold start. Anyone has the same?

 

I have to turn on engines one by one. Just after the start pull the gas or the engine turns off and wait warming to start the second.

You have to apply a bit of throttle to keep it from turning off again.

[6./ZG26_Custard]

 

 

It's going to be difficult to climb aboard the E after this. Faster with better rear and forward firepower and the 37 to strap underneath.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

I just managed to kill a KV1 with the BK, it took me a lot of ammo though.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I just managed to kill a KV1 with the BK, it took me a lot of ammo though.

 

#luftwaffeproblems

[[CPT]milopugdog]

How's the gunner's firing cone?

[Matt]

How's the gunner's firing cone?

Around 60° up and 20° to each side.

[Asgar]

i really like the 110 G-2. the cannons are powerful, it's fast and maneuverable. but...is it mission some armor hit boxes in the front? 

tell me if i'm paranoid, but as soon as the defensive guns of a Pe-2 hit me (during fast passes) i instantly lose 2 or more guns in the nose. some how i lost 2 MGs and all 4 20mm cannons while being hit once. it feels very weird. nothing like that happens when i'm in the 190, 109 or 110 E-2.

Edited January 31, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[Blutaar]

i really like the 110 G-2. the cannons are powerful, it's fast and maneuverable. but...is it mission some armor hit boxes in the front? 

 

tell me if i'm paranoid, but as soon as the defensive guns of a Pe-2 hit me (during fast passes) i instantly lose 2 or more guns in the nose. some how i lost 2 MGs and all 4 20mm cannons while being hit once. it feels very weird. nothing like that happens when i'm in the 190, 109 or 110 E-2.

I did a qm and got hit from AA and it kills one of my weapons.

 

I have another problem, is it just me or is the "close oil cooler" key not working correctly on the 110, both models, i just ant close it, only open it?

[curiousGamblerr]

I did a qm and got hit from AA and it kills one of my weapons.

 

I have another problem, is it just me or is the "close oil cooler" key not working correctly on the 110, both models, i just ant close it, only open it?

 

My one quick mission in the G-2 also resulted in losing a machine gun. Interesting.

 

And the oil radiator is controlled in steps by a special key for both models, it's the same one as the 111. You can find it in the key bindings, sorry I don't know the default.

 

PS- I encourage any of you really enjoying this new aircraft to consider doing a write up on it in the new Sturmovik wiki!

Edited January 31, 2017 by 19.GIAP//curiousGamblerr

[Asgar]

no problems with the oil coolers on my end. check your key bindings again maybe?

[Blutaar]

Hmm, i test it again but the key was set correctly, it has worked on the 110e back then.

Anyway, thx for answering now i know it has something to do on my end. 

[6./ZG26_Loke]

It's awesome, love it.

Simpel!

[Finkeren]

I haven't been flying the Bf 110 E much, but the G2 is massive fun. The more powerful engines really makes it shine. You can hardly feel the extra weight in the handling, only in maximum climb rate (I had no trouble at all keeping altitude otherwise) and very slightly in the corner turn rate.

 

I can confidently perform sharp maneuvers at low altitude with bombs and extra guns attached, even at continuous power! In the "E" I never felt safe using continous power during low level maneuvers.

 

The armament options are deadly. I can't hit a thing with the BK 37, but with 4xMG 151 the plane is absolutely devastating against soft targets and has nearly inexhaustible ammo supply.

 

Against bombers, I still feel it's too much of a target,  but it's still a lot better than the "E".

 

The only problem with this bird is, that it has made flying the Bf 110E completely redundant. There is absolutely no reason the fly it, if the G2 is available, unless if you absolutely insist of trying to fly it as a fighter I guess. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

The only problem with this bird is, that it has made flying the Bf 110E completely redundant.

 

-snip-

 

The same could be said for any Bf 109 variants before the F-4 or after the F-4.

[Finkeren]

The same could be said for any Bf 109 variants before the F-4 or after the F-4.

 

In terms of pure performance, sure. But I actually prefer the handling of the F-2.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

The weapons issue after getting a small hit has been reported

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Yeah, I had it happen too. It seems to knock out all the guns, not just 1 or 2. 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

That's good to know because I've replicated it as well.

 

Otherwise, the G-2 is incredibly formidable and the MG151 gunpod melts IL-2s like butter.

[k1ng]

3.7 HE seems to be a little weird.

 

3.7HE against Pe2 was having little effect (a gunner usually takes out the pod anyway ). Il2 would take a hit or two to the tail section and loose an elevator, followed by the engine exploding pretty much had a Ju52 take 8HE to the centre section just in front of the tail and keep on trucking.

 

the 4x 151/20 is hell on earth for anything that is in your gun-sight though

[Fern]

So is the G2 a better bomber destroyer than E?

 

I wonder if this carries over to the G? Did anyone ever explain why the wings fall off so easy?

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

i really like the 110 G-2. the cannons are powerful, it's fast and maneuverable. but...is it mission some armor hit boxes in the front?

 

Maybe it's an issue with the armament hit boxes. In terms of armor it wouldn't make that much difference I think, typical plane armor wouldn't be enough to stop .50 cal AP rounds (which generally have around the same or a bit more penetration than 20mm AP rounds, full caliber AP ammo I mean, not tungsten core subcaliber).

 

I wonder if this carries over to the G? Did anyone ever explain why the wings fall off so easy?

 

The issue of the glass wing was corrected some updates ago apparently (devs mentioned they gave similar wing strenght than the Ju-88? by the posts after that patch ppl seemed pleased with the change).

Edited January 31, 2017 by SuperEtendard

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've spent about 10-15 minutes flying around the Bf110G-2 and I'm really a fan. I was already a fan with the E-2 model but the two definitely have a different character about them. While the E-2 feels a bit heavy and you have to coax it through some maneuvers, I feel the G-2 has all that extra engine power which you can really feel. Its by no means a competitive dogfighter but this is definitely going to be more of an effective attack plane and a bomber hunter with the extra speed (I presume) and power from the engines. It does feel like a bit more of a beast on the ground though.

 

Oh... and I also experienced all of my guns going dead with a single hit. Cannons, machine guns, everything. Something must be amiss there.

Edited February 1, 2017 by ShamrockOneFive

[Finkeren]

So is the G2 a better bomber destroyer than E?

I'd say so, yeah. Though I think the Bf 110 in general has a few great problems as an interceptor (lack of climb rate and being a fairly big and easy target for gunners as well as escort fighters)

 

With 4xMG 151 close to the center line you chew through any aircraft pretty fast, and you have sufficient ammo to take down an entire squadron of Pe-2s (Shot down all 8 in a quick mission single handedly and still had 20mm shells to spare)

 

The G2 is faster than the E, so unless you pull some stunt and end up below your target, you can attack at much higher speeds and therefore safer. The extra engine power means, that it holds energy better than the E during maneuvers despite being overall slightly less maneuverable. You'll have to spend less time positioning yourself for each attack.

 

The G2 also appears to me to be a more stable gun platform. With the 4xMG 151 it is as rock solid as you can get. Don't bother with the BK 37, that's so clearly an anti-tank gun and not for bomber hunting.

 

The only major problem the G2 has compared to the E is vulnerability. As others have noted, pretty much any hit to the front will immediately take out one or more of your guns. I suspect this to be a bug, to be fixed at some point.

[JG300_Olrik]

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The only major problem the G2 has compared to the E is vulnerability. As others have noted, pretty much any hit to the front will immediately take out one or more of your guns. I suspect this to be a bug, to be fixed at some point.

 

I tried this in quick mission yesterday evening. Each time I attacked trains, only one hit from AA disabled all the guns.

[Bullets]

Something seems off with its wheel brakes, they seem way to weak? Did the devs forget to change the brake pads?   But seriously stopping this crate seems way to hard...

[Dutchvdm]

Something seems off with its wheel brakes, they seem way to weak? Did the devs forget to change the brake pads?   But seriously stopping this crate seems way to hard...

 

The E-2 had weak brakes as well. I don't say it isn't an issue, but i doubt it got worse.

 

Grt M

[ShamrockOneFive]

Something seems off with its wheel brakes, they seem way to weak? Did the devs forget to change the brake pads?   But seriously stopping this crate seems way to hard...

 

Been flying the 110E-2 a fair bit recently and doing a whole bunch of taxiing. I didn't notice it being any different between the two. Perhaps the brakes are the same and its just the aircraft is heavier. It does want to spin around on the ground more... the added power from the engines seems to have an impact.

[Dutchvdm]

The only problem with this bird is, that it has made flying the Bf 110E completely redundant. There is absolutely no reason the fly it, if the G2 is available, unless if you absolutely insist of trying to fly it as a fighter I guess. 

 

The MP or Career timeline will decide which version will be used. New G models arrived at the front early 1943. During the Battle of Stalingrad most unit still used a lot of E models. 

 

Grtz M

[ShamrockOneFive]

Yeah I'm not worried about the E-2 model being displaced. We'll see it in the earlier scenarios and then a transition to the G-2 as we go into the Kuban timeline.

 

I already figured this was the case but the G-2 gives the Luftwaffe a really flexible and potent attack aircraft in the Kuban battles. Fast and powerful enough to be a pretty effective force!

[keeno]

Its a beast and I love it!

[Asgar]

i'm posting it just because i think it's funny. i wanted to test the angles of the rear gunner and thought i'm gonna finish by shooting my tail and see how she handles with damage...turns out shooting the tail with my own gunner took out all my weapons except for one MG 17 :D

[Dutchvdm]

i'm posting it just because i think it's funny. i wanted to test the angles of the rear gunner and thought i'm gonna finish by shooting my tail and see how she handles with damage...turns out shooting the tail with my own gunner took out all my weapons except for one MG 17 :D

 

That sounds like a genuine bug. I would report it if possible. 

 

Grt M

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

i'm posting it just because i think it's funny. i wanted to test the angles of the rear gunner and thought i'm gonna finish by shooting my tail and see how she handles with damage...turns out shooting the tail with my own gunner took out all my weapons except for one MG 17 :D

I guess it's a Hitbox Bug. Let's hope it gets fixed quickly. McKvack already made a Report. Maybe it gets a Hotfix. 

Edited February 1, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Asgar]

That sounds like a genuine bug. I would report it if possible. 

 

Grt M

mcKvack already did, that why i just posted it here for [Edited] and giggles

Edited February 2, 2017 by Bearcat

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

mcKvack already did, that why i just posted it here for sh**s and giggles

I already told em that. Could ZG26 please Stop Repeating themselves? 

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I guess it's a Hitbox Bug. Let's hope it gets fixed quickly. McKvack already made a Report. Maybe it gets a Hotfix. 

 

A hotfix would be great for this one but it's not demanded or expected.

 

Also, am I the only one who notices that the G-2 @ 1.2ata seems to run at very high RPMs? This is going off of the C/30/1-2 indicators on the rim of the RPM/MP gauges.

[Yogiflight]

Can anyone tell me, why, like for the E2, the numbers in the Specification for RPM and manifold pressure don't fit to the markings at the gauges? I can understand, why this might be for the E2, where they took engines, that, like some guys posted, were never used for the E2, so if they took the instrument panel of the E2, then the markings won't fit, as the new engines had higher numbers for RPM and manifold pressure for duration, 30min., and 1min.

But why are the markings on the gauges in the G2 wrong?