We need more color of Tracer for Ammo.

[III./JG5_Focke-Wulf]

german and russia used to use green red white and yellow light blue tracer. could we have those as well?

[The_Ant]

Better up let us choose if we whant tracers for every 5 or 10-20  round or no tracers at all.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Tracers are modeled historically/well enough.

[curiousGamblerr]

Better up let us choose if we whant tracers for every 5 or 10-20  round or no tracers at all.

 

IIRC the devs has said nothing like this will ever be implemented. This is the kind of feature creep that killed CloD's initial release as far as I understand.

 

I'm with Space_Ghost on this one.

[Finkeren]

Tracers are modeled historically/well enough.

Yep, no real need for this.

[Jade_Monkey]

Definitely not NEEDED.

 

I think that in the cosmetic side of the game, things like 4K skins and bump maps are much more productive use of the devs time.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

yeah dont think ww2 pilots had much control over the tracer count or colour on their planes.

Most had their gun layouts and ammunition chosen by the mission commander upto days before.

[Original_Uwe]

This is something that can be addressed by the users when mods on mode comes.

It's exactly why mods are great-fill in little details that really aren't worth the devs time but make the game better regardless.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

yeah dont think ww2 pilots had much control over the tracer count or colour on their planes.

 

Most had their gun layouts and ammunition chosen by the mission commander upto days before.

 

They had more control over it than you think... And the loadout was generally coordinated between the pilot, the ground crew and the quartermaster.

[[APAF]VR_Spartan85]

In the old il2 I could tell who the atacker/defender was by tracer fire and which way to approach the situation.

Now I have to spot tracers, because that's usually the only way I can see anyone, fly to them to see who it is and who's getting shot at, then either say "oh cap I gotta help" or "OK I will cover them".

 

 

Or who is shooting at me, the odd friendly fire is more common then ever for some reason these days.

 

maybe some sort of difference would be nice

[EAF_51_FOX]

Tracers were really different for soviet/germans/UK/USA/JpN ..etc.. NOT ONLY in the colorization as stated in the upper post of Spartan for recognize Friendy/Foe planes in dogfights, but also tracer dimension and brightness were very different from country to country.

If this was IRL I can't understand why developers team of IL2 BOX didn't consider that feature till the first day of release of this game, also because spotting in a monitor will be ever worse compared to R/L vision even in next generation of supercomputers/monitors/VR or other technology we will see.

Edited January 31, 2017 by EAF_51_FOX

[ShamrockOneFive]

Indeed, this was asked a couple of years ago and I don't think the question was fully understood because the response was (and I'm paraphrasing) that the tracers were done accurately.

 

And I would agree that the tracers have been done fairly well. Accurate to be sure. But there are two colours with subtly different shades for German and Russian tracers. What is missing is the diversity in tracer colours that definitely existed. Beyond cosmetic, they have implications for figuring out who is shooting. I'm not sure if that's historical or if you could really tell from a distance or if that is an artifact of simulations.

[Capt_Stubing]

Hmmm just how much coding effort is involved with changing the color of tracers... I would say not much so put it in.  It's historically accurate.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Hmmm just how much coding effort is involved with changing the color of tracers... I would say not much so put it in.  It's historically accurate.

 

I wouldn't assume anything.

[Original_Uwe]

Likely no coding at all, but just an image made via gimp/photoshop to change their colors.

[curiousGamblerr]

Hmmm just how much coding effort is involved with changing the color of tracers... I would say not much so put it in.  It's historically accurate.

 

Likely no coding at all, but just an image made via gimp/photoshop to change their colors.

 

Great. So we can expect you two to add it when mods become available?

[Original_Uwe]

Great. So we can expect you two to add it when mods become available?

For sure, but someone will likely beat me to it.

If it's anything like DCS/IL2/RoF then it will be incredibly simple.

The difficult part is tracking down hard data on tracer colors for the various German cannon ammo types.

Edited February 1, 2017 by 1./JG54_Uwe

[curiousGamblerr]

The difficult part is tracking down hard data on tracer colors for the various German cannon ammo types.

 

No doubt.

 

Edit: Well, I guess we haven't seen the mod system yet, so I hope you're right that that's the hardest part and the mod system is done well and relatively accessible to developers.

Edited February 1, 2017 by 19.GIAP//curiousGamblerr

[Original_Uwe]

Ya you got it-let's see how the mod system works first before counting chickens lol.

[EAF_51_FOX]

I don't understand why people here continue to assert that color tracer will be introduced just only "..when mod will be allowed..." ?? I think this feature should be address primary from OFFICIAL DEVELOPER TEAM.

Edited February 1, 2017 by EAF_51_FOX

[Finkeren]

I don't understand why people here continue to assert that color tracer will be introduced just only "..when mod will be allowed..." ?? I think this feature should be address primary from OFFICIAL DEVELOPER TEAM.

Why?

 

Why is that important?

 

It's not as if the tracers we have are un-historical.

[Dakpilot]

When I first flew in original IL-2 I hated all the multi coloured tracers, it reminded me of a star wars movie, historical or not 

 

I am no expert but have read a few books, and don't think I ever recall seeing a mention of spotting 'friendlies' or 'enemies' for that matter, due to tracer colour,

 

"Green lasers at 11 O'clock ! Horrido!"

 

Tracers are VERY difficult to re-create visually in an immersive and historical manner in a sim, at all spotting ranges, the more subtlety and less attention they draw the better IMHO

 

The effect and different colours in BoS as of now is quite pleasing to my eye, but that's just me   

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[curiousGamblerr]

I don't understand why people here continue to assert that color tracer will be introduced just only "..when mod will be allowed..." ?? I think this feature should be address primary from OFFICIAL DEVELOPER TEAM.

The reason we're saying it will come with mods is because we disagree that it needs to come from the devs.

[Original_Uwe]

Why?

Why is that important?

It's not as if the tracers we have are un-historical.

Well 7.62x54r ball tracers are green. I know this for a fact. If they aren't green in game then it's not correct.

Seems we have a few that have already done a ton of research on the matter-

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/3875-tracer-colours/?p=135482

[Finkeren]

The videos I've seen of people firing 7.62x54r tracers from old MS rifles, the tracers have always been red, but that's obviously modern production ammo.

 

You might be right about the tracer color. Still not something I'd waste resources on right now.

[EAF_51_FOX]

I explained my opinion about the need of color/quality of different tracers very clearly and referring ALSO from HISTORICAL DATA this game will be more a SIM..or a Arcade game?. So clearly tracers were DIFFERENT for any Nation during WWII and I think this is not a "secondary" feature to be leaved at modders (I just thinking of what a mess will be..). Should be instead a PRIORITY from official developers to increase every patch this game on the road of historic accuracy in mind. just my 2 cents.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

I explained my opinion about the need of color/quality of different tracers very clearly and referring ALSO from HISTORICAL DATA this game will be more a SIM..or a Arcade game?. So clearly tracers were DIFFERENT for any Nation during WWII and I think this is not a "secondary" feature to be leaved at modders (I just thinking of what a mess will be..). Should be instead a PRIORITY from official developers to increase every patch this game on the road of historic accuracy in mind. just my 2 cents.

 

Jesus Christ... TIL modelling one type of historically correct tracer per side makes the game an arcade game and unhistorical...

 

I need my facepalm avatar back.

Edited February 1, 2017 by 4./JG52_Space_Ghost

[Gunsmith86]

 

 

I explained my opinion about the need of color/quality of different tracers very clearly and referring ALSO from HISTORICAL DATA this game will be more a SIM..or a Arcade game?. So clearly tracers were DIFFERENT for any Nation during WWII and I think this is not a "secondary" feature to be leaved at modders

 

By different tracer do you mean that each natione used a diffrent colour like red for german, green for russia... or do you mean that each nation used more than one colour for tracer?

[Original_Uwe]

Well last time I was caught under PKM fire the tracers were very, very green. As are the tracers I had for my old Mosin Nagant 1927 dragoon. Yes tracers are illegal in the soviet socialist republic of kommiefornia but oh well lol.
Quite possibly the red you're seeing are for Russian APIT rounds rather than ball?

I explained my opinion about the need of color/quality of different tracers very clearly and referring ALSO from HISTORICAL DATA this game will be more a SIM..or a Arcade game?. So clearly tracers were DIFFERENT for any Nation during WWII and I think this is not a "secondary" feature to be leaved at modders (I just thinking of what a mess will be..). Should be instead a PRIORITY from official developers to increase every patch this game on the road of historic accuracy in mind. just my 2 cents.

I dont think the devs need any advice from you, or me, on what to do with their game-they've done quite well without our input.

By different tracer do you mean that each natione used a diffrent colour like red for german, green for russia... or do you mean that each nation used more than one colour for tracer?

Actually each weapon system had its own tracer colors broken down by ammo types.

Edited February 1, 2017 by 1./JG54_Uwe

[EAF_51_FOX]

 

I dont think the devs need any advice from you, or me, on what to do with their game-they've done quite well without our input.

 

 

Do you know that this is a FORUM..and more is "GENERAL DISCUSSION" section?!.. So here everyone can chat and discuss about this game ..and even pull suggestion if all of these is made without offending anyone.

So please next time think better what and if you write something insensate like this. Cheers.

Edited February 1, 2017 by EAF_51_FOX

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Do you know that this is a FORUM..and more is "GENERAL DISCUSSION" section?!.. So here everyone can chat and discuss about this game ..and even pull suggestion if all of these is made without offending anyone.

So please next time think better what and if you write something insensate like this. Cheers.

Or perhaps you should learn how to more gracefully accept the fact that other people don't agree with you.

[curiousGamblerr]

Do you know that this is a FORUM..and more is "GENERAL DISCUSSION" section?!.. So here everyone can chat and discuss about this game ..and even pull suggestion if all of these is made without offending anyone.

So please next time think better what and if you write something insensate like this. Cheers.

 

Can I recommend you use italics for emphasis instead of CAPS? It might not be the case for many older folks that didn't grow up texting and IMing, but for someone in their twenties like me, CAPS very much feel like you're yelling at me. You're not the only one that does it on these forums either.

 

 

...

I need my facepalm avatar back.

 

+1

Edited February 1, 2017 by 19.GIAP//curiousGamblerr

[Original_Uwe]

The hurt feels are so hurt.

Not directed at you curious gamblerr, we quite agree in what you posted about caps.

Edited February 1, 2017 by 1./JG54_Uwe

[EAF_51_FOX]

Or perhaps you should learn how to more gracefully accept the fact that other people don't agree with you.

Or perhaps you should stop to waste time trolling this forum like quite always you do going always in pathetic and useless polemic as yet I told you in another topic: Seems really you haven't nothing more to do you need a work space_ghost may be.

Edited February 1, 2017 by EAF_51_FOX

[EAF_51_FOX]

Can I recommend you use italics for emphasis instead of CAPS? It might not be the case for many older folks that didn't grow up texting and IMing, but for someone in their twenties like me, CAPS very much feel like you're yelling at me. You're not the only one that does it on these forums either.

 

 

 

+1

Are you a moderator here curios? Don't appear to me.So please don't judge my style of writing as I don't judge your one and moreover my answer wasn't addressed to you so your statement "..yelling to me.." is totally insensate, as you have stated however many people write with caps some word just to emphatize and focus and this is totally accepted to many forum readers: if you don't like, simply don't read and go to read other topic.cheers.

Edited February 1, 2017 by EAF_51_FOX

[mb339pan]

ingame is red for russian, orange for german, try it in QMB night scenery

Edited February 1, 2017 by 150GCT_Pan

[ShamrockOneFive]

When I first flew in original IL-2 I hated all the multi coloured tracers, it reminded me of a star wars movie, historical or not 

 

I am no expert but have read a few books, and don't think I ever recall seeing a mention of spotting 'friendlies' or 'enemies' for that matter, due to tracer colour,

 

"Green lasers at 11 O'clock ! Horrido!"

 

Tracers are VERY difficult to re-create visually in an immersive and historical manner in a sim, at all spotting ranges, the more subtlety and less attention they draw the better IMHO

 

The effect and different colours in BoS as of now is quite pleasing to my eye, but that's just me   

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

I do wonder to some degree about that. I've heard very few references to tracer colours... sometimes they have been described as brown (I'm assuming the red was looking more brown in daylight?) and sometimes mentions of green. Frequently they just say tracer and then that's about it.

 

As I said before, it's certainly fairly accurately done in my mind as is, but colours corresponding to the weapon/ammo would be interesting. The multi-coloured tracers are actually more convincing to me in War Thunder than in the old IL-2. Perhaps because graphics technologies are better and it just looks less artificial and more naturally part of the scenery.

[Bearcat]

Knock it off folks!

[1./KG4_Blackwolf]

and.....

Sorry BC, I had too.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Blackwolf

[Scojo]

Holy cow, what's with so many people attacking each other on these forums?

Edited February 2, 2017 by 71st_AH_Scojo