Doubledigit12 Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Hello there guys. I've been looking to buy il2 Battle of Stalingrad for a while now after owning the original il2 for a number of years. My only problem is I used a mouse back in the day so I have no idea what to do in terms of joysticks. I was thinking of just buying a joystick then using the buttons on that and the keyboard for throttle, aileron and rudder adjustments also free look but then I saw HOTAS style things and wondered what should I do?
Smouch Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 Depending on your budget, the sky is the limit (pun intended). A joystick with twist function is a good for rudder input. Obviously the buttons on it means greater flexibility for not having to glance to the keyboard at critcal times. I run the X-52, rudder pedals and throttle quadrant by Saitek (or Logitech now I think). Hope that helps. See you in the skys.
taffy2jeffmorgan Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 I would keep it simple to start, the Thrustmaster T16000 is a good and reasonably priced stick [twist control] and TrackIR head motion control, have fun ! 1
ShamrockOneFive Posted January 28, 2017 Posted January 28, 2017 I've become quite a fan of the VKB Gladiator. It's now my primary stick and its only $99 USD if you're in the US (or Canada, I had it shipped). You can check out my review if you want: https://stormbirds.wordpress.com/2016/12/11/%EF%BB%BFreview-vkb-gladiator/ It has everything you need to get started. A dedicated throttle system is coming later on though.
taffy2jeffmorgan Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 Does anyone know when the VKB Gladiator stick [ not the pro ] could become available outside of the US, there is a European outlet but this only supplies the Pro version ? I live down under in Australia so we could be last in line !
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) No point in keeping it simple..Get a good secondhand stick $25-50EU(my old st190 pro lasted me 15+ years and 5,000 hours (still dead centre calibrated)Get a good secondhand RACING pedal set for $10-25EU (like logitech driving force extreme) pedals work fine for rudders without toe brakes.Total setup below can be found in many countries for cheap secondhand prices $20-50AUD / $50-70EuroI Have now replaced the Joystick with a X-55 Rhino HOTAS i got for XMAS Edited January 29, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14
Finkeren Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 Get the T16000. Cheap, simple yet of very good quality. Then you can just get separate throttle quadrant and pedals later. 1
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Being a Multi Engine but also rather Limited Notebook Scrub I converted to the ineed very Good T-16000M, worth a TON more than the Crappy Logitech 3D Pro. I also bought a Set of Electricians Tools, Rubbing Alcohol, Cotton Swabs and a Logitech G Saitek PRO Flight Throttle Quadrant. That's to keep the Potentiometers clean and the Quadrant Running Properly. My Setup is this: First Throttle: 1st Throttle and Left Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Second Throttle: 2nd Throttle and Right Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Third Throttle: 3rd Throttle + Prop Speed Control and Right Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Joy Slider: Mixture Buttons on the Stick mainly for Elevator Trim, Bombs, Rockets and Forward Firing Stuff Buttons on Quadrant are Radiators and Shutters Edited January 29, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
BOO Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 I found the thrustmaster hotas x to be good value as a basic/cheap/starting stick: https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/v57/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-X-Joystick-PC-PS3/B001CXYMFS I believe the rocker switch behind the throttle is better than twisting the stick for rudder (can still do that if you want). The layout of buttons is nice, and I think I actually preferred this cheap old thrust master for playing Elite Dangerous than my more expensive replacement for it! I like that the throttle on this can be separated (a bit), and it is a nice chunky size rather than a little slider. Edit: I automatically assumed budget was an issue. If it isn't, I unfortunately don't haven't much knowledge of the more expensive options to help. (I now have an x55 rhino.) I still use the throttle from the TM hotas T flight (the stick went in favour of an old MS sindewinder but hell...its a throttle for £25 if you look about). And I agree with Pinko about the rocker. Suited me far better than the twist grip. If you end up using pedals for rudders like i did you can use the rocker for stuff like the differential brakes on red aircraft.
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 My Setup is this: First Throttle: 1st Throttle and Left Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Second Throttle: 2nd Throttle and Right Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Third Throttle: 3rd Throttle + Prop Speed Control and Right Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Joy Slider: Mixture Buttons on the Stick mainly for Elevator Trim, Bombs, Rockets and Forward Firing Stuff Buttons on Quadrant are Radiators and Shutters My Setup is this: First Throttle: 1st Throttle and Left Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Second Throttle: 2nd Throttle and Right Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Third Throttle: 3rd Throttle + Prop Speed Control and Right Brakes on Reverse Thrust Position Joy Slider: Mixture Buttons on the Stick mainly for Elevator Trim, Bombs, Rockets and Forward Firing Stuff Buttons on Quadrant are Radiators and Shutters
Sokol1 Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) I found the thrustmaster hotas x to be good value as a basic/cheap/starting stick: https://www.amazon.co.uk/d/v57/Thrustmaster-T-Flight-Hotas-X-Joystick-PC-PS3/B001CXYMFS This model use cheap potentiometer in X, Y axes = headache triggered to happen (soon or lather). "Buy cheap, buy twice". Look for Thrustmaster FCS HOTAS (SRP 130$), stick use HALL sensor in X, Y axes (same of TmW) is the minimum recommended in HOTAS. Edited January 29, 2017 by Sokol1
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 T16000M is Cheap, the Throttle Quadrant as well. Enhances the Flying Experience a ton though.
Doubledigit12 Posted January 29, 2017 Author Posted January 29, 2017 Wow thanks guys for the replies!!! I have been seriously thinking about buying the new thrustmaster t.16000 hotas set as it is only £45 here in the uk. After that I will see if I want to get into it and perhaps buy racing rudder pedals as suggested or track ir. Trackir is a little too expensive for me at the moment. Anyway guys thanks for the replies
Sokol1 Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 Does anyone know when the VKB Gladiator stick [ not the pro ] could become available outside of the US, there is a European outlet but this only supplies the Pro version ? I live down under in Australia so we could be last in line ! This will not happen (at least for now), due agreements with AG, VKB can sell Gladiator "vanilla" only in USA and Russian markets, all other market areas is reserved to AG OEM (AIRROW, Javelin) "tuned down" versions. But you can buy Gladiator "vanila" direct from VKB China. Check shipping costs and etc, there: sales_en@vkb-sim.pro
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) I fly IRL and I've never undestood why People use Rudder Pedals at home unless they have a full Flying Seat. A Twist Stick does just fine for me. I found a 3 Way Throttle Quadrant quite a good Deal more useful while my Pedals Rot in a Corner at my Parents Place somewhere. But then, I play on a Workdesk, on a Notebook and Office Chair, comfortably in "Schneidersitz" which is a single word in German and none of the Google Translate Proposals seem accurate enough. It's the Problem with being quite well equipped in the fun regions of your Body which disfavour the straight legged sitting required for Pedals so I do it like this Chap, who according to Popular Belief suffers from the same Problems I do. Edited January 29, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
Quax Posted January 29, 2017 Posted January 29, 2017 (edited) Get a FFB2 on ebay - Forcefeedback is much more than stall shaking or force change according speed. The change of the neutral position is making all the difference. It´s the same as with TrackIR. After getting used to it, you would never consider to look back. Edited January 29, 2017 by Quax
taffy2jeffmorgan Posted January 30, 2017 Posted January 30, 2017 This will not happen (at least for now), due agreements with AG, VKB can sell Gladiator "vanilla" only in USA and Russian markets, all other market areas is reserved to AG OEM (AIRROW, Javelin) "tuned down" versions. But you can buy Gladiator "vanila" direct from VKB China. Check shipping costs and etc, there: sales_en@vkb-sim.pro Thanks Sokol, Since posting, I see that Amazon has the Gladiator stick, but this could be Amazon America ? I'll check it out, Cheers
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 30, 2017 Posted January 30, 2017 I fly IRL and I've never undestood why People use Rudder Pedals at home unless they have a full Flying Seat. A Twist Stick does just fine for me. I found a 3 Way Throttle Quadrant quite a good Deal more useful while my Pedals Rot in a Corner at my Parents Place somewhere. But then, I play on a Workdesk, on a Notebook and Office Chair, comfortably in "Schneidersitz" which is a single word in German and none of the Google Translate Proposals seem accurate enough. It's the Problem with being quite well equipped in the fun regions of your Body which disfavour the straight legged sitting required for Pedals so I do it like this Chap, who according to Popular Belief suffers from the same Problems I do. The biggest problem with twist joysticks is often the unwanted rudder input when someone is not gentle on the stick and twist it while doing other things. also twist is often much more touchy than pedals imho its a lots easier with feet workign under the desk also than on joystick having to control 3 axis at the same time after all there are people who can't even drive manual cars in the world :D
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 30, 2017 Posted January 30, 2017 The biggest problem with twist joysticks is often the unwanted rudder input when someone is not gentle on the stick and twist it while doing other things. also twist is often much more touchy than pedals imho its a lots easier with feet workign under the desk also than on joystick having to control 3 axis at the same time after all there are people who can't even drive manual cars in the world :D Well, I grew up with them so I guess I'm just a lot more used to Hat-Switch and Twist Stick. I had these Problems with the Logitech 3D Pro, however, the T16000M is extremely good in that Respect once you get used to it, nothing you don't want from it.
Sokol1 Posted January 30, 2017 Posted January 30, 2017 Thanks Sokol, Since posting, I see that Amazon has the Gladiator stick, but this could be Amazon America ? I'll check it out, Cheers Yes Gladiator (first version, or "Mk. I") still available in Amazon.com and Amazon.com send for most parts of the world. I suggest you compare Amazon.com Mk.I price + shipping with VKB China Mk.II price + shipping before buy, since Mk.II has improvements over Mk.I in gimbal and trigger.
curiousGamblerr Posted January 30, 2017 Posted January 30, 2017 "Schneidersitz" In the US we call that a number of things... "criss cross applesauce" is definitely the funniest, but back in the day "indian style" was also common. Best (non-literal) translation for "Schneidersitz" would be "scissors style" I would think... On the topic, I would suggest getting a twist stick solution (I started with a Saitek Evo when I got into IL-2 a decade ago). Don't bother with pedals for now. Once you have a stick, TrackIR is the next step. Then move on to pedals last if you want, or before that upgrade to a better twist HOTAS system like X-55.
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 30, 2017 Posted January 30, 2017 (edited) In the US we call that a number of things... "criss cross applesauce" is definitely the funniest, but back in the day "indian style" was also common. Best (non-literal) translation for "Schneidersitz" would be "scissors style" I would think... On the topic, I would suggest getting a twist stick solution (I started with a Saitek Evo when I got into IL-2 a decade ago). Don't bother with pedals for now. Once you have a stick, TrackIR is the next step. Then move on to pedals last if you want, or before that upgrade to a better twist HOTAS system like X-55. Depends on wether he wants to go Bomber or Fighter. If he wants to be Smart and Play Bombers a Proper 3 Axis Throttle Quadrant is more important. TrackIR is a low Priority Luxury for Bombers and Attackers. And for all intents and Purposes the T16000 Internals are the same as the Warthog and other High End Hall Sensor Sticks, just uglier wrapping. Edited January 30, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
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