sinned Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Nonsense, the way they are actuated doesn't change their Working Principles. Is my Motorbike an Automatic because it doesn't have a Gear Shift Knob? Toldya you would be in denial. I was in a denial too. TIPTRONIC. Is it manual or auto... it has a knob.. works like a knob... has flywheel... but no clutch to 'feel' the grib of the engine. If you argue pedal shift, tiptronic is a manual, then f1 is manual. Ok
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Toldya you would be in denial. I was in a denial too. TIPTRONIC. Is it manual or auto... it has a knob.. works like a knob... has flywheel... but no clutch to 'feel' the grib of the engine. If you argue pedal shift, tiptronic is a manual, then f1 is manual. Ok Automatic: -Torque Converter and Planetary Gears -CVTs, normally based on Belts and Bevel Wheels and with Centrifugal Clutches Manual: -Mechanic Clutch and either Synchromesh Unsynchronized Constant Mesh Crash Box Draw Key Gearbox Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
sinned Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 In otherwords f1 machine gear box is an auto. 1
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 In otherwords f1 machine gear box is an auto. That's a F1 Clutch And this is the Trannie, no Planetary Gears here. Just your Run of the Mill Gearbox
AndyJWest Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Isn't the constant-speed propeller in an 190 (and most other WW2 aircraft) 'automatic'? Real men fly aircraft with fixed-pitch propellers. And rotary engines. And no throttle. 1
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Isn't the constant-speed propeller in an 190 (and most other WW2 aircraft) 'automatic'? Real men fly aircraft with fixed-pitch propellers. And rotary engines. And no throttle. Real Men fly without engine. And pull all the girls.
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 In otherwords f1 machine gear box is an auto. Short of the unnecessarily long: yes.
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Short of the unnecessarily long: yes. Nope, it's basically a Motorbike Transmission, electrically instead of pedally actuated. But the Working Principle is that of a Synchromesh Gearbox. NOT AN AUTOMATIC. Automatic means: Engine --> Torque Converter (Fluid Coupling Device) --> Set of Planetary Gears, Clutches and Bands --> Output As well as CVTs. Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Nope, it's basically a Motorbike Transmission, electrically instead of pedally actuated. But the Working Principle is that of a Synchromesh Gearbox. NOT AN AUTOMATIC. One thing that my journey through college taught me is that basing an argument around semantics generally doesn't validate said argument. Just saying...
Dakpilot Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Short of the unnecessarily long: yes. Short: nope, why do they need a clutch to pull away then? by any definition, if it needs a manual clutch and does not change gear on its own, it is not an automatic, they do have a semi auto seamless full throttle capable sequential gear change though You could get away with calling an F1 gearbox a semi auto.. ........but it would still be wrong Are modern performance Motorbikes with a quickshifter called an auto? nope Cheers Dakpilot
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) One thing that my journey through college taught me is that basing an argument around semantics generally doesn't validate said argument. Just saying... I'm thinking of this an Amateur Mechanic. When someone tells me he has an Automatic I expect to find a Torque Converter and a Planetary Gearset. Imagine my surprise when I find that he only has a Sequential Automatized Synchromesh Gearbox. It makes all the Difference. It behaves differently, and it a completely differenty System, it is more economical but less smooth than an actual Automatic, because it's in essence a Motorbike Gearbox with a Servo instead of a Foot Shifting Gears and Actuating the Clutch. It has nothing in common with a Proper Automatic. The Smart ForTwo for example. Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
curiousGamblerr Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) One thing that my journey through college taught me is that basing an argument around semantics generally doesn't validate said argument. Just saying... Equivocation is the name, I believe. There are a few nuanced fallacies relating to semantics, and I'm no expert, but I think that's the one... I'm not sure why I'm back in this thread, informal fallacies just get me excited I guess... and since we've abandoned the topic at hand days ago, why not? Edited January 26, 2017 by 19.GIAP//curiousGamblerr 1
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 Equivocation is the name, I believe. There are a few nuanced fallacies relating to semantics, and I'm no expert, but I think that's the one... I'm not sure why I'm back in this thread, informal fallacies just get me excited I guess... and since we've abandoned the topic at hand days ago, why not? I like melon and prosciutto on rosemary and olive oil Triscuits. 1
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) Short: nope, why do they need a clutch to pull away then? by any definition, if it needs a manual clutch and does not change gear on its own, it is not an automatic, they do have a semi auto seamless full throttle capable sequential gear change though You could get away with calling an F1 gearbox a semi auto.. ........but it would still be wrong Are modern performance Motorbikes with a quickshifter called an auto? nope Cheers Dakpilot I would agree with Semi-Auto as well. Seems to be the Best Term. I like melon and prosciutto on rosemary and olive oil Triscuits. How about we just say "Thingy", I mean, who needs to be Precise anyways. It's not like we're trying to make meaningful differentiations. Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
curiousGamblerr Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 I like melon and prosciutto on rosemary and olive oil Triscuits. You've reminded me I have some prosciutto and taleggio in the fridge!
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) You've reminded me I have some prosciutto and taleggio in the fridge! Good man. I see somebody who knows how to enjoy the finer things in life. I would agree with Semi-Auto as well. Seems to be the Best Term. How about we just say "Thingy", I mean, who needs to be Precise anyways. It's not like we're trying to make meaningful differentiations. I was precise - melon, prosciutto, rosemary, olive oil. That's what it takes to get things done around here. PSA: This thread is now about fine foods. Fw190 flaps < sports cars/transmissions < gourmet tastiness. Edited January 26, 2017 by 4./JG52_Space_Ghost 1
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