FW-190 Flap Suggestion

[Aap]

Someone who knows how to drive Automatic only won't be able to immediately drive a Synchromesh, and someone who only learnt how to drive Synchromesh won't be able to drive an Unsynchronized Mesh or Crash Box.

 

That was not the point that I was replying to really. My question was about your claim that only "mentally or physically disabled" would use devices that automate things. 

If a person uses a battery-screwdriver, he must be physically disabled, otherwise he would use a manual screwdriver and twist his hand?

if a person uses excel to calculate things or draw charts, he must be mentally disabled, otherwise he would use pen and paper?

 

Or maybe many things have been automated just because there are ways to do things without any extra effort or attention from a person and it does not necessarily mean that the person is disabled and not capable of doing it manually, if needed.

Edited January 24, 2017 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Dakpilot]

Good grief people...it is just a joke about auto gearbox vs manual

 

in Europe people are more familiar with manual and many old school purists still frown upon and mock Auto's 

 

It is not something to get offended about or take very seriously

 

In Europe and many other places Auto boxes were considered for girls who cant drive or pensioners, however modern 8 speed auto's and DSG boxes are starting to dispel that old stereotype

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

How did this thread even get to a second page. No, just no.

 

 

How did this thread get so OT? Again; No, just no.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

That was not the point that I was replying to really. My question was about your claim that only "mentally or physically disabled" would use devices that automate things. 

If a person uses a battery-screwdriver, he must be physically disabled, otherwise he would use a manual screwdriver and twist his hand?

if a person uses excel to calculate things or draw charts, he must be mentally disabled, otherwise he would use pen and paper?

 

Or maybe many things have been automated just because there are ways to do things without any extra effort or attention from a person and it does not necessarily mean that the person is disabled and not capable of doing it manually, if needed.

Essentially yes. In Engineering we learn a lot of Basic Maths on which to build. We learn a lot Basic Tool that later we build more complex/automatic Systems around, but never forgetting the Basic Tools we need to Troubleshoot and Improve the Product. 

You first learn the Screwdriver before you get the Power Drill before you get to Program the Prodcution Robots or whatever. 

You learn your Maths with Pen and Paper and only the later Maths allow Calculators, but the first couple Math Exams are all Pen and Paper. 

 

Someone who only knows Automatic is useless outside of an Automatic Car. Someone who learned on a 1951 Opel Blitz (Unsynchronized 4 Speed with 2 Speed Diff and an eternally Gutless Inline 6) will have no Trouble with anything facing him after that. (Seriously, if you have a Blitz with the Petrol Motor, Swap that thing for something Cool, like a 371 or 453 Detroit). Also got to drive a late Model T with those funny three Pedals once. That thing is a Handful, or more of Footfull, especially with my Orang-Utan Feet. We are lucky with out Modern Layout. 

 

So my Basic Point is that Americans are all [bleep].

Edited January 24, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Aap]

It is not something to get offended about or take very seriously

Definitely not.

He is just throwing out bait (only mentally disabled drive automatic, majority of 109 pilots are ..., all Americans are [beep]) trying to catch a verbal sparring partner. I just answered the call for light sparring.

 

Ever overheard a discussion in a bar along the lines of something like:

- Oh you drink Heineken ... real men drink Guinness.

- Ah you are watching football ... Liverpool fans are the scum of the earth ... anyway, real men watch rugby.

- All brown-eyed people are [beep].

 

That's the same tactics basically.

[Aap]

-snip-

Thanks for you long reply, but what does it have to do with your claim that "only mentally or physically disabled" would use automatic devices?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Definitely not.

He is just throwing out bait (only mentally disabled drive automatic, majority of 109 pilots are ..., all Americans are [beep]) trying to catch a verbal sparring partner. I just answered the call for light sparring.

 

Ever overheard a discussion in a bar along the lines of something like:

- Oh you drink Heineken ... real men drink Guinness.

- Ah you are watching football ... Liverpool fans are the scum of the earth ... anyway, real men watch rugby.

- All brown-eyed people are [beep].

 

That's the same tactics basically.

Exactly. Someone mentioned the Fact that this thread undeservedly got a second Page, I agreed my way.

Anyways: 

-Jever

-WRC

-Sexy?

Thanks for you long reply, but what does it have to do with your claim that "only mentally or physically disabled" would use automatic devices?

I'm not against using, but being reliant on Automatic Devices without knowledge of the Analog/Manual Ways. 

Edited January 24, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Gambit21]

How did this thread even get to a second page.

Well...it IS a 190 thread after all.

By definition this means bloated and largely unproductive.

[Wulf]

The last thing I want to be doing is agreeing (sort of) with the anti-German-German, but I find the notion of a grown man driving an automatic repugnant.  Sure, I get it if you drive in bumper to bumper traffic most of the time (and maybe 'the wife' or 'boyfriend' also uses the car), but otherwise, how can you possibly embrace the joys of driving in an automatic?   Answer; you can't, and it doesn't matter what you're driving and frankly, it's unmanly.

 

Oh yeah, and no offence intended to those of you who don't drive a manual.  Just sayin ....

Edited January 25, 2017 by Wulf

[Potenz]

on the auto vs manual, i love maxi scooters for the CVT, i hate switching gears, rather twist the throttle and go

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

The point is not auto drivers are disabled.

Its people who can ONLY drive an auto and cannot even work the pedals of a manual who are OBviously disabled or have something wrong with them.
Otherwise they could do it (there is NO other option)

Just like EVERYONE can learn to read and write and learn maths (Unless they are disbaled or mentally ill)
An adult who cannot read and not mentally disabled is doing so by choice (aka Lazy SoB)

[DD_Arthur]

How did this thread even get to a second page. No, just no.

 

 

How did this thread get so OT? Again; No, just no.

 

Just thought I'd bump this post again.

[curiousGamblerr]

The point is not auto drivers are disabled.

 

Its people who can ONLY drive an auto and cannot even work the pedals of a manual who are OBviously disabled or have something wrong with them.

Otherwise they could do it (there is NO other option)

 

Just like EVERYONE can learn to read and write and learn maths (Unless they are disbaled or mentally ill)

An adult who cannot read and not mentally disabled is doing so by choice (aka Lazy SoB)

 

The last thing I want to be doing is agreeing (sort of) with the anti-German-German, but I find the notion of a grown man driving an automatic repugnant.  Sure, I get it if you drive in bumper to bumper traffic most of the time (and maybe 'the wife' or 'boyfriend' also uses the car), but otherwise, how can you possibly embrace the joys of driving in an automatic?   Answer; you can't, and it doesn't matter what you're driving and frankly, it's unmanly.

 

Oh yeah, and no offence intended to those of you who don't drive a manual.  Just sayin ....

 

I'm without words. Honestly, who raised you people? And not just the two quoted.

 

 The mods need to take this thread out behind the barn and shoot it.

Edited January 25, 2017 by 19.GIAP//curiousGamblerr

[[CPT]milopugdog]

This thread right now:

[flash=]

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I love it, it's better than Kittens. You are all a bunch of Ableist S-Lords. 

Edited January 25, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Wulf]

I love it, it's better than Kittens. You are all a bunch of Ableist S-Lords. 

 

 

What the hell Klaus you back-stabbing bastid!  I was agreeing with you (well, sort of) FFS.  Why am I being lumped-in with all the good for nuthin "S-Lords"?  That's not right!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

What the hell Klaus you back-stabbing bastid!  I was agreeing with you (well, sort of) FFS.  Why am I being lumped-in with all the good for nuthin "S-Lords"?  That's not right!

Good for Nuffin? The best times in World History, the times liberty, cultural and technological Progress was at its highest were under rule of total S-Lords. The Renaissance, the Roaring 20s, the Wild West. The Avant Garde usually consists of S-Lords to the N-th degree. 

 

S-Lords are the ones who make the World interesting and worthwhile, the ones who Offend and Force people to re-evaluate their values.

The S-Lord births the Phoenix from the Dada. 

 

Isn't Celebration of the consumer normal or favorable for the boar in the infinite bribery of the push to forge?

Is your face decided on by a committee, laying dormant by accident? Is a bowyer in a wig someone looking for a getaway from criminal insanity?

I ask you that. 

 

Schwitters, Kurt

 

1887-1948

Simultangedicht "kaa gee dee"

 

kaa gee dee takepak tapekek

 

katedraale take tape

 

draale takepak kek kek

 

kaa tee dee takepak tapekek

 

kateedraale take tape

 

draale takepak kek kek

 

(alle: ) oowenduumir

 

kaa tee dee diimaan tapekek

 

kateedraale diimaan tape

 

draale diimaan kek kek

 

diimaan - - - - - - diimaan

 

diimaan

 

(alle: ) aawanduumir

 

 

[Wulf]

 

Good for Nuffin? The best times in World History, the times liberty, cultural and technological Progress was at its highest were under rule of total S-Lords. The Renaissance, the Roaring 20s, the Wild West. The Avant Garde usually consists of S-Lords to the N-th degree. 

 

S-Lords are the ones who make the World interesting and worthwhile, the ones who Offend and Force people to re-evaluate their values.

The S-Lord births the Phoenix from the Dada. 

 

Isn't Celebration of the consumer normal or favorable for the boar in the infinite bribery of the push to forge?

Is your face decided on by a committee, laying dormant by accident? Is a bowyer in a wig someone looking for a getaway from criminal insanity?

I ask you that. 

 

Schwitters, Kurt

 

1887-1948

Simultangedicht "kaa gee dee"

 

kaa gee dee takepak tapekek

 

katedraale take tape

 

draale takepak kek kek

 

kaa tee dee takepak tapekek

 

kateedraale take tape

 

draale takepak kek kek

 

(alle: ) oowenduumir

 

kaa tee dee diimaan tapekek

 

kateedraale diimaan tape

 

draale diimaan kek kek

 

diimaan - - - - - - diimaan

 

diimaan

 

(alle: ) aawanduumir

 

 

 

 

 

Well, when you put it like that.  Hmmmm .... maybe I really am a "S-Lord".  Yes, a "S-Lord" yes, yes ....... Ohhhhhh....

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

I'm without words. Honestly, who raised you people? And not just the two quoted.

 

 The mods need to take this thread out behind the barn and shoot it.

Honesty is the best policy

And everything i said is a Fact

(either you are normal and can drive a manual or you are ....)

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Honesty is the best policy

And everything i said is a Fact

(either you are normal and can drive a manual or you are ....)

Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Trident_109]

The last thing I want to be doing is agreeing (sort of) with the anti-German-German, but I find the notion of a grown man driving an automatic repugnant.  Sure, I get it if you drive in bumper to bumper traffic most of the time (and maybe 'the wife' or 'boyfriend' also uses the car), but otherwise, how can you possibly embrace the joys of driving in an automatic?   Answer; you can't, and it doesn't matter what you're driving and frankly, it's unmanly.

 

Oh yeah, and no offence intended to those of you who don't drive a manual.  Just sayin ....

Yeah... look who's got the [Edited] in the forums. Wooooo I'm impressed. You don't really take yourself that seriously do you?

Edited January 26, 2017 by Bearcat

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Yeah... look who's got the [Edited] in the forums. Wooooo I'm impressed. You don't really take yourself that seriously do you?

Edited January 26, 2017 by Bearcat

[AndyJWest]

Some people seem to be very insecure about something or other...

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Some people seem to be very insecure about something or other...

[Edited]

Edited January 26, 2017 by Bearcat

[Finkeren]

Like everyone else here in Denmark I drive stick, I'm used to it and kinda like it now, but my gawd, when I was first getting my license I cursed it to high heavens, and I definitely wished I could just get an automatic, but since you're legally required to learn to drive stick, there was no way around it.

[Wulf]

Yeah... look who's got the [Edited] in the forums. Wooooo I'm impressed. You don't really take yourself that seriously do you?

 

Actually, I didn't even mention my (huge) penis but since you 'raised it', yeah, I'm certainly not complaining ........ 

Edited January 26, 2017 by Bearcat

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Here in Germany we have two Car Licenses, Normal "Klasse B" and "Klasse B beschränkt auf Automatikfahrzeuge" which only allows the Driver to drive Automatics in Public and Trailers of Maximum 750kg. That is the option for Stupid, Lazy and/or Disabled People. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Wulf]

Like everyone else here in Denmark I drive stick, I'm used to it and kinda like it now, but my gawd, when I was first getting my license I cursed it to high heavens, and I definitely wished I could just get an automatic, but since you're legally required to learn to drive stick, there was no way around it.

 

 

Am I the only person here who finds terms like "driving stick" somewhat homoerotic?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Am I the only person here who finds terms like "driving stick" somewhat homoerotic?

 

 [Edited]

Edited January 26, 2017 by Bearcat

[Finkeren]

Here in Germany we have two Car Licenses, Normal "Klasse B" and "Klasse B beschränkt auf Automatikfahrzeuge" which only allows the Driver two Drive Automatics in Public and Trailers of Maximum 750kg. That is the option for Stupid, Lazy and/or Disabled People.

We have something like that here as well but it reserved solely for people who are physically incapable of driving stick.

 

My wife wrote her masters thesis in collaboration with a fellow student who had a birth defect, her right arm was like 20cm long and practically useless. (No Wulf, this is not your cue to make a joke about other things that are 20cm long and practically useless) She for obvious reasons could only drive automatic with the gear lever placed at the wheel and she had a special license for that.

 

Wow, we're pretty far off topic now. Maybe it's time to close up shop on this thread?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

There is a Reason why Top Gear was the Best Car Show in the World and among the best TV-Shows in General. They were genuinely funny because they were like an Ice Breaker through the Floes of Political Correctness. 

 

Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[sinned]

People should know better. Gearbox of a driving machine that represents creme de la creme technology advancement with men's heart and sour infused together is automatic, namely f1. Pedal shift is not much different from tiptronic and from what I read above, many would also consider tiptronic not manly enough.

I sat in one f1 machine during Singapore night f1 in a pit. UBS was one of my comp's primary broker so i was lucky to get tickets to suite pit and other goodies.

 

I am a big fan of manual cars so i see where ppl are coming from. I only owned manual cars in my life, but u cant undermine auto as "pussy car" unless f1 are for pussies.

For my 2nd car, I decided to not buy ferrari because they all had automatic in the showroom. So I picked up am with 7 gear instead.

[216th_Jordan]

I like automatic cars and I also take warm showers.

 

Back to topic, I didn't even know that the Fw190 had different flap settings, I always thought it was full or nothing. Now I see why my landing attempts were even so bad! :o

Good to know..

Edited January 26, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

People should know better. Gearbox of a driving machine that represents creme de la creme technology advancement with men's heart and sour infused together is automatic, namely f1. Pedal shift is not much different from tiptronic and from what I read above, many would also consider tiptronic not manly enough.

I sat in one f1 machine during Singapore night f1 in a pit. UBS was one of my comp's primary broker so i was lucky to get tickets to suite pit and other goodies.

 

I am a big fan of manual cars so i see where ppl are coming from. I only owned manual cars in my life, but u cant undermine auto as "pussy car" unless f1 are for pussies.

For my 2nd car, I decided to not buy ferrari because they all had automatic in the showroom. So I picked up am with 7 gear instead.

The F-1 Cars don't have Automatics, but automatized Manual Transmissions. An Automatic is Characterized by the use of a Torque Converter or Planetary Clutch and Planetary Gears or CVT . An F-1 Car has a Mechanic Clutch and a Synchromesh Transmission. Same for the Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (Dual-Clutch-Trannie). 

 

Due to the Lack of Direct Mechanical Connection in the Low Gears they are worse in every way. Less Economical, slower to Accelerate and Respond to inputs, more expensive to Buy and Maintain. The Kickdown is amazingly annoying and unpredictable, especially in Winter going Uphill. 

You can't Push-Start on a Dead Battery etc. There really is no Point in having one unless you live in Iceland. 

 

One of the most Fun Transmissions I ever tried was a Trabant 601H (H for Hycomat) which is too Difficult to Describe here but it is a ton of Fun. It's basically normal Manual Transmission with an Automatic, Hydraulically actuated Clutch and a Breaker-Switch on the Gear-Lever for Shifting. 

Pictures here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hycomat

 

Have a guess why less than 20% of New Cars in Europe have an Automatic, even less everywhere else in the World. It's really only  Americans who need Automatics. 

Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

You are all wrong gentlemen. Just check 190 minimum equipment list to find the truth.

 

Any 190s MEL available around here? ?

[sinned]

The F-1 Cars don't have Automatics, but automatized Manual Transmissions. An Automatic is Characterized by the use of a Torque Converter or Planetary Clutch and Planetary Gears or CVT . An F-1 Car has a Mechanic Clutch and a Synchromesh Transmission. Same for the Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (Dual-Clutch-Trannie).

 

Due to the Lack of Direct Mechanical Connection in the Low Gears they are worse in every way. Less Economical, slower to Accelerate and Respond to inputs, more expensive to Buy and Maintain. The Kickdown is amazingly annoying and unpredictable, especially in Winter going Uphill.

You can't Push-Start on a Dead Battery etc. There really is no Point in having one unless you live in Iceland.

 

One of the most Fun Transmissions I ever tried was a Trabant 601H (H for Hycomat) which is too Difficult to Describe here but it is a ton of Fun. It's basically normal Manual Transmission with an Automatic, Hydraulically actuated Clutch and a Breaker-Switch on the Gear-Lever for Shifting.

Pictures here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hycomat

 

Have a guess why less than 20% of New Cars in Europe have an Automatic, even less everywhere else in the World. It's really only Americans who need Automatics.

... pedal shifts are auto man...

 

Go ask professional f1 driver and ask them if they consider f1 an auto or manual.

 

I did at a pit. I think you would be in denial.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Nonsense, the way they are actuated doesn't change their Working Principles. Is my Motorbike an Automatic because it doesn't have a Gear Shift Knob?

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

You can't shift a an Automatic Manually, but you can shift a Manual Automatically. Just another way Manuals are more versatile. 

[Potenz]

WOW all this stupid macho nonsense is plain Idiotic, Come on this was a thread about technochat, and it went into a macho ego fights.

things are more easier, if you are trying to show your manhood to the world in every possible situation, that just tells that you are in

doubt with your sexuality. in the other hand if you feel confident with your self, you will give a flying FXXX if a car is Manual or Auto.

 

you like manual, drive manual

you like auto, drive auto

 

at the end both vehicles will get you wherever you want.

 

Potz

Edited January 26, 2017 by Potenz

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

WOW all this stupid macho nonsense is plain Idiotic, Come on this was a thread about technochat, and it went into a macho ego fights.

things are more easier, if you are trying to show your manhood to the world in every possible situation, that just tells that you are in

doubt with your sexuality. in the other hand if you feel confident with your self, you will give a flying FXXX if a car is Manual or Auto.

 

you like manual, drive manual

you like auto, drive auto

 

at the end both vehicles will get you wherever you want.

 

Potz

We are not just talking about Transmissions here, we are not talking about the 190 as well. That is the entire goal of this exchange. I don't give a Rat's Arse what you drive, honestly. 

But this thread was about to go down that inevitable 190 Rabbithole. 

 

 

Anyways, Technochat: 

 

Option 1: 

-Flap Selector: Up

-Flap Selector: Stage 1

-Flap Selector: Stage 2

 

Option 2:

-Flaps: Up

-Flaps: Take-Off

-Flaps: Landing

 

In Case of Stuka additional Technochat Message: -Intake Air: Unfiltered (When Flaps Up)

                                                                                 -Intake Air: Filtered (When Flaps Down)

Edited January 26, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann