1./JG54_Seiler Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 ~S~ All, I have a suggestion for the next patch update. I would like to see a percentage value represented on the screen for dropping and raising the flaps while flying the FW-190A3 and future variants of this aircraft. Thanks !
Dr_Molem Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Hi Seiler, i'm not sure to understand you. FW-190's flaps were electrically operated, with 3 possible positions; raised, takeoff (13°), and landing (58°). Edited January 22, 2017 by Dr_Molem
SKG51_Siggie Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) I think, you are wrong. The Flaps could stop in each Position from 10 to 60 degrees. Edited January 22, 2017 by II./ZG15_Siggie
1./JG54_Seiler Posted January 22, 2017 Author Posted January 22, 2017 What I am looking for is pretty simple. Whenever we activate the flaps, to either drop them or to raise them, I would like to see a percentage value represented on our screen as we fly. So I have a good idea to where my flaps are sitting relative to the aircraft while in flight. Currently, I don't see any value when I deploy the flaps. Just the automated sound for when the motor is running.
MAJ_stug41 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 If you want to see the flap position look under the throttle. The outer lights are flaps, inner are gear.
Asgar Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 I think, you are wrong. The Flaps could stop in each Position from 10 to 60 degrees. no
Turban Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 There is a pretty nice indicator, as mentioned by another poster.I actually quite like giving it a quick look to check on them. Immersion and all
Willy__ Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 You can actually check the degrees on the wings. 1
BornToBattle Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 On stuff like this I always question "How was this handled in real life?"
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 On stuff like this I always question "How was this handled in real life?" Feel. You know by noise and behaviour.
Monostripezebra Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Feel. You know by noise and behaviour. Guys, look out the window... the 190 has an external flap setting indicator. RIGHT ABOVE THEM. and it works perfectly fin ingame... and while I hate to advocate things that are unhealthy for Pe2s, prooobably the one or other 190-I´m-disapoint-advocate should have a look here: Edited January 22, 2017 by Monostripezebra
Asgar Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 why look outside? there is 2 green, 2 yellow and 2 red lights. what more do you need? 1
Ribbon Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 On stuff like this I always question "How was this handled in real life?" on aircraft type i'm working on there is indicator showing in what position flap is; 0,10,15 or 25°, also you can see it by position of flap 4-way control switch......and hardest way; look trought window at flaps. i guess on old types pilot would feel it trought plane's behavior, by looking position flap control lever/switch/handle or checking wings.....if there is no indicator.
Jade_Monkey Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 why look outside? there is 2 green, 2 yellow and 2 red lights. what more do you need? not sure what everyone is talking about. like Asgar said there is a very good indicator in the cockpit with 3 positions.
1./JG54_Seiler Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 Listen....all I'm interested in seeing is a visual percentage to be displayed on my screen to show how much flap I've dropped or raised during flight. I know all about all the other virtual physical indicators in the cockpit and on the wing. I understand that. This is more of a request to the Devs for this aircraft much like what is seen in other aircraft in game.
Finkeren Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Listen....all I'm interested in seeing is a visual percentage to be displayed on my screen to show how much flap I've dropped or raised during flight. I know all about all the other virtual physical indicators in the cockpit and on the wing. I understand that. This is more of a request to the Devs for this aircraft much like what is seen in other aircraft in game.The reason it's there for some of the other aircraft is, that their flaps can be set to any position across their range. Other aircraft that have fixed flap positions (in most cases simply up/down) don't have percentage indication either, because it makes no sense. I really don't see, what you are planning to use this feature for. The only situations where you should use flaps on the Fw 190 are during take off with a heavier payload (drop flaps to first setting) and landing (drop flaps fully) Even without looking at the indicators, there's not really a whole lot that can go wrong. 2
Wulf Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Guys, look out the window... the 190 has an external flap setting indicator. RIGHT ABOVE THEM. and it works perfectly fin ingame... and while I hate to advocate things that are unhealthy for Pe2s, prooobably the one or other 190-I´m-disapoint-advocate should have a look here: I just feel compelled to make a wee observation about Sheriff's little video. Now, don't get me wrong, Sheriff is clearly a very good pilot and I usually enjoy his vids. But that said, I was a little surprised that he took a swipe at those people who have bemoaned the capabilities of the current 190. I found it particularly strange given that there is no evidence in his video, none at all in fact, to refute the notion that the 190 is at a severe disadvantage in almost any one on one with a soviet single seater. So, while watching his diving attacks on Pe 2s was interesting, as far as I"m aware, I don't think anyone has ever suggested the current 190 is incapable of knocking one of these things out of the sky. I also found his confidence in the supposed superiority of the 190's roll rate somewhat misplaced. As the sim is modeled, the 190 has little or no tactical advantage, in terms of roll, over most of its flight envelope. The in-game 190 rolls about as fast as an La 5. The LaGG 3 is just about as good - same with a Yak. Edited January 23, 2017 by Wulf 3
Asgar Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Listen....all I'm interested in seeing is a visual percentage to be displayed on my screen to show how much flap I've dropped or raised during flight. I know all about all the other virtual physical indicators in the cockpit and on the wing. I understand that. This is more of a request to the Devs for this aircraft much like what is seen in other aircraft in game. "other aircraft" yes...aircraft that have continiously extending flaps, like the 109 or MC 202...the Yak, has no percentage, the IL-2 has no percentage, the Ju-87 and Ju-88 have no percentage, because they need none, since they only have 3 FIXED positions. there is no point
SKG51_Siggie Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 If you want the right answer, call at Meier Motors Germany http://www.meiermotors.com/index.php/projekte/focke-wulf-fw190-a8-hangar10 1
Blutaar Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Must have something to do with many people thinking "harder=more realism" or all the other negative reputation in the flightsim community repeated for decades that the 190 gets. Wasnt it a Dev who said something like "it was just a jabo in the east because it was inferior to 109s as a fighter"? Maybe the 190 is just to complex to model i dont know, i geuss we need to wait and see if it gets any better but with the current engine limitations we have on the german side i dont really think it will get that better, maybe worse with the kuban competion it has to face then. I guess the snapstall, or what its called, will not change that much to make it "one of the best fighterplanes throughout the war". I can be wrong, im not an expert in anything, just my opinion on the 190 in general. edit: sry for offtopic, just wanted to reply to Wulf! Edited January 23, 2017 by Ishtaru
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Well, I wouldn't mind if instead of "Retract" and "Extend" it would say: "Flaps: Take-Off Position"; "Flaps: Landing Position"; "Flaps: Up" on the Ju-87, Ju-88 and Fw190, and "Flaps: Up"; "Flaps: Down" for the Yaks, Spitfire and Il-2 and whatever it will be like on the A-20. Must have something to do with many people thinking "harder=more realism" or all the other negative reputation in the flightsim community repeated for decades that the 190 gets. Wasnt it a Dev who said something like "it was just a jabo in the east because it was inferior to 109s as a fighter"? Maybe the 190 is just to complex to model i dont know, i geuss we need to wait and see if it gets any better but with the current engine limitations we have on the german side i dont really think it will get that better, maybe worse with the kuban competion it has to face then. I guess the snapstall, or what its called, will not change that much to make it "one of the best fighterplanes throughout the war". I can be wrong, im not an expert in anything, just my opinion on the 190 in general. edit: sry for offtopic, just wanted to reply to Wulf!
Asgar Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 so much time wasted on editing all that stuff, because people are to lazy too look around in their cockpit?
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) so much time wasted on editing all that stuff, because people are to lazy too look around in their cockpit? IRL I sat in that Cockpit, and no, it is so far out of View, with your Arm basically above the Lights making them Hard to see. The 190 Cockpit isn't all that Ergonomical. You would feel the Buttons, but the Lights aren't well visible at all. Edited January 23, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
Asgar Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 oh, we have the pilot modelled in the cockpit now? i didn't notice that
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 oh, we have the pilot modelled in the cockpit now? i didn't notice that I just don't think you would actually look at the Lights, but feel for the Buttons. Visibility onto the Left Panel is appalingly bad, the Instruments are quasi useless, since you have to actually look away from the Horizon to see anything.
Sokol1 Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Teckchato don' show this percentages? Think well, why model 3D cockpit in games? Just do the gunsight and digital percentages of this and that on screen corners, including ammo count... 1
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Easy... Stage 1: 0% Stage 2: 50% Stage 3: 100% There are three settings - what are you going to gain from the % value?
Ribbon Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Must have something to do with many people thinking "harder=more realism" or all the other negative reputation in the flightsim community repeated for decades that the 190 gets. Wasnt it a Dev who said something like "it was just a jabo in the east because it was inferior to 109s as a fighter"? Maybe the 190 is just to complex to model i dont know, i geuss we need to wait and see if it gets any better but with the current engine limitations we have on the german side i dont really think it will get that better, maybe worse with the kuban competion it has to face then. I guess the snapstall, or what its called, will not change that much to make it "one of the best fighterplanes throughout the war". I can be wrong, im not an expert in anything, just my opinion on the 190 in general. edit: sry for offtopic, just wanted to reply to Wulf! more realistic things are, more simfeel and immersion i have!
=TBAS=Sshadow14 Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Listen....all I'm interested in seeing is a visual percentage to be displayed on my screen to show how much flap I've dropped or raised during flight. I know all about all the other virtual physical indicators in the cockpit and on the wing. I understand that. This is more of a request to the Devs for this aircraft much like what is seen in other aircraft in game. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THE PLANE NEVER HAD FLAPS THAT EXTENDED LIKE THAT.. Planes in game where flaps show %% were like that IRL where the pilot adjust flaps by a Degree indicator but in the 190 you cannot adjust the flaps there is only 3 preset positions. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO(Google how many Degrees the 190 flaps were at for each position then just REMEMBER IT) When you set it to take off flaps (you recall in your mind how many degrees it is Tho it does not matter as it wont effect how you fly it. Take off flaps are just that who cares if they at 15* or 25* they are relative to the planes design
1./JG54_Seiler Posted January 24, 2017 Author Posted January 24, 2017 Ok thanks everyone for your input. I do appreciate the feedback.
curiousGamblerr Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THE PLANE NEVER HAD FLAPS THAT EXTENDED LIKE THAT.. Planes in game where flaps show %% were like that IRL where the pilot adjust flaps by a Degree indicator but in the 190 you cannot adjust the flaps there is only 3 preset positions. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO(Google how many Degrees the 190 flaps were at for each position then just REMEMBER IT) When you set it to take off flaps (you recall in your mind how many degrees it is Tho it does not matter as it wont effect how you fly it. Take off flaps are just that who cares if they at 15* or 25* they are relative to the planes design Sheeesh
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 YOU CAN'T BECAUSE THE PLANE NEVER HAD FLAPS THAT EXTENDED LIKE THAT.. Planes in game where flaps show %% were like that IRL where the pilot adjust flaps by a Degree indicator but in the 190 you cannot adjust the flaps there is only 3 preset positions. SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO(Google how many Degrees the 190 flaps were at for each position then just REMEMBER IT) When you set it to take off flaps (you recall in your mind how many degrees it is Tho it does not matter as it wont effect how you fly it. Take off flaps are just that who cares if they at 15* or 25* they are relative to the planes design Sheeesh
MadisonV44 Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Why should we spoil our flight experience with additionnal messages just because people are lazy and don't try to look at the cockpit and wings indicators ?
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 Why should we spoil our flight experience with additionnal messages just because people are lazy and don't try to look at the cockpit and wings indicators ? Just Expanding the Technochat Message to instead of it just saying Retracting and Extending to say: "Flaps Up"; "Flaps: Take-Off"; "Flaps: Landing" or "Flaps Up"; "Flaps: Stage 1"; "Flaps: Stage 2" or somethinf of that sort. As a Pilot you haptically know what Position it is in. Just think, do you as a driver (except Americans of course, because they are too [awesome] (don't want to get in trouble)) look at your Gear-Shift Knob in order to know which gear you are in, or do you just know by the Pistons flying through the hood at 60 that you may still be in first Gear, and also by basically putting your hand on it and feeling where it is. You don't have that ingame. If you are mentally or physically disabled, which is the only reason you would ever drive an Automatic, let me just tell you, you know what Gear you are in IRL, but in a Game you don't have that.
Aap Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 If you are mentally or physically disabled, which is the only reason you would ever drive an Automatic In your opinion, were most of the German fighter pilots (that used Kommandogerät or other similar features) more often mentally or physically disabled?
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) In your opinion, were most of the German fighter pilots (that used Kommandogerät or other similar features) more often mentally or physically disabled? Looking at the Majority of ingame 109 Pilots, I would get into a ton of trouble being honest. And we did loose the War after all. But getting back to my Original Point I think I'm not wrong. Edit: I learned to Ride on Classic Motorcycles, simple Carburetted little things that would punish you for stupidity. You had to consciously Nurse them to Life on Cold Mornings with Choke, and a Lot of Kicking, they had no automatic Anything, no EFI, no E-Start, nothing. It was frustrating and I am glad that my '86 BMW at least has an E-Start, though it still requires Porper Coordination of Choking, Throttle, Starter, Hammering and Spray to get going in below 0 Temps. I am used to it, the high Control Forces, the Low Revs, undersized Brakes and the somewhat temperamental Handling, and I freely let the Youngsters try it out and she scares them to death, but I love it. I have no trouble with modern Bikes, since they are a lot less Difficult to Live with, but I still have the knowledge and Routine of Working with far less Automized Systems. Someone who has only ever ridden a Scooter won't get on a Bike and be able to ride it, someone on a Modern Bike won't even get a Classic to Run. Howerver it works the other way round. Someone who knows how to drive Automatic only won't be able to immediately drive a Synchromesh, and someone who only learnt how to drive Synchromesh won't be able to drive an Unsynchronized Mesh or Crash Box. Many of my Passengers still don't get the Point of Double Declutching or Sliding Gears because they have never Ridden anything like it. Someone who has only ever flown an Automatic Fw190 or 109 will have a Hell of a Surprise getting into an La-5. Edited January 24, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann
Monostripezebra Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 SO WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO(Google how many Degrees the 190 flaps were at for each position then just REMEMBER IT) When you set it to take off flaps (you recall in your mind how many degrees it is Tho it does not matter as it wont effect how you fly it. So many oppinons and discussions but so little actually playing FW190...# Guys, I´m saying it again. Look out the window.... there is a indicator on each of the wings, showing how much degrees of flaps is out on that side. So even if the mechanism gets damaged or a flap gets stuck you see directly how many degrees are out where. Like it should be...
KoN_ Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 So many oppinons and discussions but so little actually playing FW190...# Guys, I´m saying it again. Look out the window.... there is a indicator on each of the wings, showing how much degrees of flaps is out on that side. So even if the mechanism gets damaged or a flap gets stuck you see directly how many degrees are out where. Like it should be... You know the reason why no one is flying it .
Monostripezebra Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 You know the reason why no one is flying it . I guess I´m noone, then. 1
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