What/WHO is the VVS?

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Hello as a newbie to IL2 i am still a little lost as to who the VVS are?

Edited out the "touchy stuff"

So what is with VVS
probably just lack of sleep and ill figure it out soon enough.

 

Edited January 18, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Luftwaffe = German Air Force

VVS = Soviet Air Force

 

We mostly stay away from "nazi" "Communist" "good guy" "bad guy" stuff. It's really apolitical for the most part. We fly the aircraft we love and both of those regimes are long past. There are no affilitations to the machines otherwise and those that try to make it so are generally frowned upon by both the community and the Mods.

 

Welcome - fly, have fun, leave that other stuff for the history books.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Both side are not good site, one did provocation and make frontal attack at 1th of september 39, second side in alliance with first, stab (attack) Poland in back at 17th september 39. So in the game we have just side blue and red

VVS - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Air_Forces

Edited January 18, 2017 by 307_Tomcat

[Brano]

Full name is VVS RKKA = Air Forces of Workers and Peasants Red Army (Voenno Vozdushnie Sily Raboche Krestyanskoy Krasnoy Armyi)

[Finkeren]

Also note, that VVS was not the only military air service in the USSR. The navy had its own air force (which I think was called AVF) and then there was the "home defense" strategic defense air force, the PVO, which was tasked with defending strategically important targets away from the front such as cities and industrial centres.

 

Being the army's air force the VVS was by far the largest and most active during the war, but the AVF was quite active in the patrol- and anti-shipping role in the Baltics, the Black Sea and North Atlantic, and the PVO was very prolific during for instance the defense of Moscow in 1941.

 

The VVS generally had first pick when it came to personel and equipment, while the AVF and especially the PVO was often using leftover planes of dated types or stuff that was rejected by the VVS - both the navy and the PVO operated MiG-3s well into 1944, when the VVS had pretty much gotten rid of them by mid-1942. They also flew mist of the LL Spitfire Mk. IXs which the VVS didn't feel fit their units.

 

Sometimes poor performing regiments of the VVS would be transfered to the PVO for second-line duty.

 

EDIT: Pls note, that I'm writing this off the top of my head, so some of the details - including the name of the naval air force - might not be correct.

Edited January 18, 2017 by Finkeren

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Good post overall, Finkeren The Navy's air contingent as a generic concept was called VVS-VMF, VMF standing for Military Naval Fleet in Russian. However, this was no central organisation, and each fleet had its own air force subordinated to it. In the Black Sea Fleet for example, this was the VVS-ChF, while for the Red Banner Baltic Fleed this was the VVS-KBF.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

OMG lol brain fart i never even thought of it as names for air forces hahaha i feel so stupid..

As for the other thing,
I was just talking about it in passing not being political i just don't find old things from 80 years ago offensive or anything like that to worry about. letting them be just lets them win longer


Thanks for the "history" bit about VSS

Edited January 18, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14

[Finkeren]

OMG lol brain fart i never even thought of it as names for air forces hahaha i feel so stupid..

 

As for the other thing,

I was just talking about it in passing not being political i just don't find old things from 80 years ago offensive or anything like that to worry about. letting them be just lets them win longer

 

 

Thanks for the "history" bit about VSS

There is no such thing as a stupid question. Always feel free to ask.

 

As for the political part: I personally don't care either, but you'd be surprised how contentious these issues still are, particularly with tensions growing in Eastern Europe.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it". It's not my sentence but i do agree.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

@tomcat - no one is saying don't talk about it ever - and most of us are die hard history buffs. There are places, classrooms, coffee houses, forums etc to talk about politics and past morality. A gaming forum, however, is just not that place. Surprisingly, this thread moved into a history lesson and I've learned something about unit organization. Quite nice really.

 

As I said earlier - Welcome, fly, have fun.

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

In Swedish VVS stands for värme, ventilation och sanitet (Heating, ventilation and air conditioning), I still have no idea why the Russians wanted guys with this specialization to fly their aircrafts.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

have you seen all the knobs and things you have to turn to start the pe2

[Holtzauge]

In Swedish VVS stands for värme, ventilation och sanitet (Heating, ventilation and air conditioning), I still have no idea why the Russians wanted guys with this specialization to fly their aircrafts.

 

OMG we've been invaded! This picture was taken in Strängnäs, in the very heart o Sweden!

 

[LukeFF]

 

 

the AVF was quite active in the patrol- and anti-shipping role in the Baltics, the Black Sea and North Atlantic,

 

North Sea, not the North Atlantic

[Finkeren]

North Sea, not the North Atlantic

Potato tomato.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

To be fair, I zapped right past that as well and it should have been easier for me find as a reader than the composer.

[Brano]

It was just ВВС СФ = Cеверный флот = Northern Fleet. No sea nor atlantic :D

[Stig]

In Swedish VVS stands for värme, ventilation och sanitet (Heating, ventilation and air conditioning), I still have no idea why the Russians wanted guys with this specialization to fly their aircrafts.

 

I am pretty sure it's about the same in Danish, and sanitet is not air conditioning! 

[Aap]

North Sea, not the North Atlantic

 

I guess it is best to say just north. Or Arctic Ocean or Barents Sea. I doubt that Russian planes saw much action on North Sea, between Norway and Britain.

[Nil]

I like it to say "Red" and "Blue" (usually on briefing)

 "Russian" and "German" (on teamspeak we say that). 

Simple.

Effective.

and Fast.

However, I would never say "Jap" or "Yankee" as it is very incorrect. So "Japanese" and "US" is correct.

Edited January 18, 2017 by Nil

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I don't know anyone from the states who is offended by Yank or Yankee. Born and raised here.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

I found a pretty Cool Wiki Article on Ethnic Slurs. 

 

What are your guys favourites? 

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

I found a pretty Cool Wiki Article on Ethnic Slurs. 

 

What are your guys favourites? 

 

No OT there.  lol 

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

I am pretty sure it's about the same in Danish, and sanitet is not air conditioning! 

 

I checked on Swedish Wikipedia, then on English and took the translation without checking. It's true, santitet is sanitation, very important for aircrafts.

[Danziger]

I don't know anyone from the states who is offended by Yank or Yankee. Born and raised here.

Bein a true southerner, I would never allow myself the dishonor of being called the same term as a blue-belly yankee!

[mort]

I found a pretty Cool Wiki Article on Ethnic Slurs. 

 

What are your guys favourites? 

 

Agent provocateur.

[curiousGamblerr]

Bein a true southerner, I would never allow myself the dishonor of being called the same term as a blue-belly yankee!

 

I'm a Bostonian living in Virginia... a true carpet bagger 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Bein a true southerner, I would never allow myself the dishonor of being called the same term as a blue-belly yankee!

Ha! And I'd never subject you to such a thing but if we shared a beer in London we'd both be Yanks.

[hames123]

North Sea, not the North Atlantic

Actually, the North Sea is the sea off the coast of Norway, meeting the Artic Sea somewhere. Soviet aircraft did not fly all the way to the North Atlantic Ocean until the cold war.