love for the Stuka is decreasing in this sim?(sad face)

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Jabo in the 190 - the 500 kg is a killer within 10-20 meters of a T-34. I get a lot of satisfaction killing a moving target. 250 takes a bit of luck and a direct hit to get the kill. The little guys are just door knockers on a T-34. Good luck in your dive bombing endeavors.

[Cybermat47]

I would like to see the selectable "feature" (or what is the official term for previous "unlocks") of automatic pull-out and horn at the drop altitude.

That wasn't a modification, though, that was an in-built feature of every single dive-bomber Stuka. Hopefully it gets added in a patch.

Edited January 19, 2017 by Cybermat47

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Jericho trumpets were also built in as well as armored headrest for Bf109F4, still we have field mods in this game, where these were removed.

[Asgar]

jericho trumpets are not what we have on hour Stuka, we have the sirens. jericho trumpets are just pipes added to the bombs which care a similar sound, they replaced the sirens because they caused less drag. that's directly out of an interview with a German StuKa pilot

Edited January 19, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

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That is interesting. However, internet is also full of sources, including German WWII Wochenschau, that specifically refer to those sirens as Jericho trumpets.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

jericho trumpets are not what we have on hour Stuka, we have the sirens. jericho trumpets are just pipes added to the bombs which care a similar sound, they replaced the sirens because they caused less drag. that's directly out of an interview with a German StuKa pilot

 

To clarify: this pilot specifically said that the mounted sirens were not referred to as Jericho trumpets..? Only the whistles introduced later on the bombs were considered Jericho trumpets..?

 

As Kemp said, the Deutche Wochenschau is a primary source that conflicts with that...

[curiousGamblerr]

Regardless of what they are called, I would love to have the bomb trumpets as an option. I never take the sirens because 12kph is too much of a speed loss, especially on the way home. If they were part of the bomb, on the other hand...

[Asgar]

To clarify: this pilot specifically said that the mounted sirens were not referred to as Jericho trumpets..? Only the whistles introduced later on the bombs were considered Jericho trumpets..?

 

As Kemp said, the Deutche Wochenschau is a primary source that conflicts with that...

well Wochenschau is just that, the Wochenschau. how often does Fox News use [edited] names for things?

Edited January 20, 2017 by SYN_Haashashin

[Wulf]

well Wochenschau is just that, the Wochenschau. how often does Fox News use bullshit names for things?

 

 

Hmmm.... less often than CNN IMO.

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well Wochenschau is just that, the Wochenschau. how often does Fox News use bullshit names for things?

 

The thing is, the term of Jericho trumpets was in use already in the beginning of the war, before those pipes were "invented", so the propaganda guys could not mix the term up with something that had not been invented yet. Also, pretty much all the sources that I can find on internet refer to that siren as Jericho trumpets. 

 

If you were referring to that interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-CQ5Sko3mk , where the pilot says that these pipes were invented by his wing commander (after they had dismounted the sirens) and that they called it "Pipes of Jericho", then nowhere does he say that the sirens were not called Jericho trumpets. 

[tailwheel]

Well 1C and its talanted creators could always create a Ju87-B2 collecters plane for Moscow.Think theirs alot of hobby pilots on this forum that would buy it.

I don't mind buying a collectors plane. But not once for every campaign. Let's just make them all available in SP, since we paid for them and it should be up to us how we get our kicks, visa vis selecting planes/loadout for missions.

[tailwheel]

Ju-87B should have to be a must, but we are talking about nothing.

We have a limited budget and a small Team, and this is a big problem even if we should have to thank 1C because "we still have a budget and a Team for an IL2 flight sim". This is reasonable but sad...... We know we could have in the next future (2018?) a G6 and a La-5F/FN.....

 

What we should need is a dedicated Team for DLC, but we are talking about a business company so these DLC must be profitable, taxes included.

 

So the question is: are these DLC profitable?

 

What we need for a sim that does pretend to call itself "IL2" and that's dedicated principally to the ETO, is very simple:

 

IAR-80

I-15

Macchi 200

Ju-87B

Yak-1 Serie I

ecc. ecc. ecc.

 

Considering also that this sim does pretend to be an improvement of the old "IL2" concept....we should need:

 

C-47 (Li2)

Fi 156 "Storch"

Po-2

FW-189

Arado 196

ecc. ecc......

 

Everybody of course could have a different list but we all agree, i think, there are a lot of "MUST HAVE" aircrafts missed: for ex. I-15, IAR-80, Macchi 200, Ju-87B. A dedicated DLC Team should have to provide at least 4 aircrafts every years, of course with the same standard quality of the addon release.

 

Too many people on WoT and WT, this is the problem.

 

Now, we have to hope for a G6 and La-5 as a sort of miracle, and IAR-80 like an utopia. Is not good at all in this way..........

 

Considering again WoT and WT, we should have to considere if this IL2 is not enough dedicated to multiplayer, or better....why we don't have the same number we see in WoT. For sure, the answer can not be the "unlock suicide policy"...

 

Edit.

Ju-52 is a real beauty, really immersive and with a great flight feeling, we need to think about this.......

As nice as a big catalog of aircraft would be, I'd rather plunk my money on improvements to the mission engine, more campaign types, more mission emersion, longer smoke times, mission progression, , + + . Add to what we actually do with the planes to bring out the context of the game. The actual 'what's happening in the campain' has so much potential for creating gameplay that is more than just launch/fly/kill/die/return/repeat. And that will add more to the fun. and more fun means more players which means more success. (but for me it means more fun :-)  )

[hames123]

Yes, the career will be a huge success as long as there is action at the front(a group of tanks slugging it out, a company if tanks attacking across a field at AT guns, an artilery battery firing at a group of trucks, machine guns and AT guns, for example). Also, maybe a few flights beside your own doing stuff, like flying a ground attack mission in an Il2 and seeing a flight of 5 Ju52s flying towards Pitomik. In fact, there should be a steady stream of Ju52s flying alone from the various fields inside and outside the kessel, with patrols of 109s patroling the main routes(how awesome would it be to fly a Stuka mission and return to base only to see a flight of friendly and enemy planes dogfighting, with the Soviets trying to get at the transports). Or to fly a patrol mission in a Lagg 3 and spot 5 He111s in the distance, crossing the front line to bomb a factory or supply dump, and dash after them and try to intercept and down them all before they get to bomb your people. There is a good opportunity to add some immersion beyond all the engine controls and stuff with the release of this new career mode, and hopefully the devs patch it often to add new mission types and change the basic templates of the missions every now and then.

[ShamrockOneFive]

Reason for my worries was that I checked the battle for Kuban store page and it was not listed there.

 

Ju 87 is listed as part of the stalingrad pack and since I have only briefly checked out first chapter

battle of Moscow I noticed that I cant choose Stukas at all, so I figured it will be missing.

 

Regardless of which product you own, the aircraft are all present in the package. So Battle of Stalingrad players regularly see the P-40E-1 and sometimes the MC.202 over Stalingrad. These are Battle of Moscow aircraft. If you own Battle of Moscow you can also fly these over Stalingrad as well. The same goes for the He111H-6 that we see over Moscow regularly but this plane was featured in Battle of Stalingrad.

 

It will be the same for the Ju87D-3. Used in numbers during the Kuban campaign... we'll definitely see them over Kuban and IL-2: Battle of Stalingrad owners can fly them too.

[Asgar]

The thing is, the term of Jericho trumpets was in use already in the beginning of the war, before those pipes were "invented", so the propaganda guys could not mix the term up with something that had not been invented yet. Also, pretty much all the sources that I can find on internet refer to that siren as Jericho trumpets. 

 

If you were referring to that interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-CQ5Sko3mk , where the pilot says that these pipes were invented by his wing commander (after they had dismounted the sirens) and that they called it "Pipes of Jericho", then nowhere does he say that the sirens were not called Jericho trumpets. 

the "pipes of jericho" might be translation problem, more importantly he always just calls the sirens that...sirens, never "jericho trumpets". thanks for posting that video. it proves what i said

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Actually it does not prove what you said. The pilot never said that the sirens were NOT called Jericho trumpets. Let's say an American pilot tells in an interview that he was flying P-51 during war and later on bought a car that he called "Mustang". Does it prove that P-51 was not called "Mustang"?

Did you read the rest of my previous post, too?

[Asgar]

if it was the common term, he would've called them jericho trumpets, but he called them just sirens, since that was the common term he still remembered 70 years after the fact, just like he remember the pipes being called Jericho pipes. which btw, does tranlate to Flöte or Pfeife. as i said, might just be a translation thing

[Scojo]

As long as you understand difference in the designs, the names don't matter that much as you can relay which you're referring to by describing how they work.

[Aap]

C'mon, are you serious?

Let's look at it once more:

1. The term Jericho trumpets was in use already before the bombs with pipes were "invented".

2. Every reference that you can find says that the sirens were called Jericho trumpets.

3. The pilot never said that the sirens were NOT called Jericho trumpets.

 

Are you sure you really want to continue to argue about that topic?