Now when we are getting a Spitfire...

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Will we then also get the option to be launched from a catapult, like from here on the Cruiser Molotov?

 

 

[AndyJWest]

I can't see there being much enthusiasm for modelling something that never saw active service. The devs have higher priorities.

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

June. We get it in June. Get hype!

 

 

 

Timeline for BOK in the coming 12 months:

2016:

Dec 16: 109G4 + DX11 + Tante Ju

2017:

End Jan:  BF110 G2

End feb: HE111 H16

End March: FW190 A5 with improved FM for the A3 as well.

End May: IL2 model 1943 with .50 MG at the rear.

June: Spitfire!!!!

July: Kuban map (without career mode, but there will be missions)

August and September no releases planned.

Oct: Yak 7B + open Beta of Kuban Career mode.

Nov: A20 Boston bomber + free historical campaign for Kuban + P39 + H129

Dec: Official release of BOK to the main stream public.

  Edited January 13, 2017 by =DF=spaceman1999

[CUJO_1970]

Yes, I'm sure it will only take the developers a few short hours to punch something like this out.

[Feathered_IV]

I always wanted to do that in a Hurricane.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

I always wanted to do that in a Hurricane.

 

Me too :-D

[Boaty-McBoatface]

I can't see there being much enthusiasm for modelling something that never saw active service. The devs have higher priorities.

Did Hurricanes see active service in the eastern front from these boats?

[Lusekofte]

No they had convoy service with catapults from merchant ships. To fend off FW 200. A risky business because it meant in 99,9% they had to ditch in the sea, I recall one incident the hurry got to land. Hurricanes was almost as dangerous to ditch as the JU 87, because of the radiator underneath.

But I honestly do not see the enthusiasm for getting the Spit. There is quite enough mediocre Russian planes as it is . And we really do not need one x 1000  more FW kind of FM discussions. This game lack general purpose planes, It need recon capabilities and a reason to do recce. 

We do not need more dogfights, dogfights suppose to happened because of general purpose planes, stopping them or defending them. 

[Roo5ter]

 JU 87,because of the radiator underneath

Did you just say radiator? 

 

Ruh roh... I better tab back in and open those up on my Stuka.  TY sir.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

really do not need one x 1000 more FW kind of FM discussions. This game lack general purpose planes, It need recon capabilities and a reason to do recce.

We do not need more dogfights,

The hoards of stats fighter jocks will have your guts for garters with that sort of carry on I'll tell you now.

 

These guys don't want bombers,transports and general purpose planes - they want cannons, stats, and glory. It is as simple as that.

 

Whilst you mention it though, which general purpose plane models do you suggest my friend?

Edited January 14, 2017 by 1./TG1_B0SS

[Lusekofte]

Did you just say radiator? 

 

Ruh roh... I better tab back in and open those up on my Stuka.  TY sir.

 

I talked about the Hurricanes

The hoards of stats fighter jocks will have your guts for garters with that sort of carry on I'll tell you now.

 

These guys don't want bombers,transports and general purpose planes - they want cannons,stats,stats and glory. It is as simple as that.

Like I care, as they I am entitled to a opinion, and the Spit will not meet the expectations, and there will be a shitstorm

[Ace_Pilto]

But we're getting a Vb

 

 

Literally the worst Spitfire ever

 

 

 

Still, a Spit's a Spit and it will be a Spit in the most fun sim since 1946 so I'm on board. Rev up your keyboards because there's gonna be some 20 page forum threads on it! 

[ShamrockOneFive]

But we're getting a Vb

 

 

Literally the worst Spitfire ever

 

 

 

Still, a Spit's a Spit and it will be a Spit in the most fun sim since 1946 so I'm on board. Rev up your keyboards because there's gonna be some 20 page forum threads on it! 

 

Why is the Vb the worst Spitfire ever?

 

Lots of Spitfire pilots said that while the Spitfire IX was the best Spitfire they flew, the Spitfire Vb was the nicest to fly. An interesting distinction.

[unreasonable]

@Ace_Pilto

 

I think your spoiler comment is fair, taken as worst next to it's contemporary opposition.

 

But I look on the bright side: it still has the perfect proportions of the MkI and II. All the later models look a bit - wrong.

 

As for the threads: I am expecting that too, however, it is one of the better documented aircraft, so it should be easy enough to solve any controversy. 

[Ace_Pilto]

Why is the Vb the worst Spitfire ever?

 

This:

 

 

 

 

I think your spoiler comment is fair, taken as worst next to it's contemporary opposition.

 

Thanks unreasonable.

 

 

 

On its' own, it's a Spitfire, enough said.

[Wulf]

I'm really looking forward to it.  How the thing is presented will be interesting but as mentioned it is a very well documented aircraft.  I suspect it will be very popular.  And I think a nice shiny new Mk V should do very well plus, it will look so cool.

[Lusekofte]

 

 

the Spitfire Vb was the nicest to fly

 

I read that too, I think it was in the Magazine FlyPast quoting a WW2 pilot. But is nice what you want when it comes to surviving? I was a bit puzzled when I read it, because He said best about another plane and nice about this. I could and can´t comprehend what he meant 

[unreasonable]

I read that too, I think it was in the Magazine FlyPast quoting a WW2 pilot. But is nice what you want when it comes to surviving? I was a bit puzzled when I read it, because He said best about another plane and nice about this. I could and can´t comprehend what he meant 

 

I do not think it is hard to understand, even if it is harder to explain: many pilot accounts of flying Spitfires use terms like "natural", "responsive", "enjoyable", "a pilot's aircraft" etc. In contrast, accounts of the 109 often have phrases like "you have to watch it", or "it is a snake", in addition to respect for it's undoubted performance qualities.

 

Driving cars is the same:  some are just more fun to drive, because they do what you want without a constant physical or mental struggle. Does not necessarily mean that they are faster, accelerate better and so on: just that they feel better.

[Lusekofte]

Yes you are right, and I take it the phrase is from a man remembering it flying over the English countryside and not over enemy skies. I guess memory sort out the pleasant things in life and give it importance. He might have felt more secure in a IX over enemy skies and remember that as pleasant. 

This is what you get when you base information on interviews

[ShamrockOneFive]

I read that too, I think it was in the Magazine FlyPast quoting a WW2 pilot. But is nice what you want when it comes to surviving? I was a bit puzzled when I read it, because He said best about another plane and nice about this. I could and can´t comprehend what he meant 

 

It's popped up over the years from more than one source for sure but I probably read it in FlyPast too. The nice part seems to be about the handling in that the Spitfire Vb may be, in some ways, the most agile of the bunch with the easiest handling. This is useful in combat because the average pilot should be able to extract more out of the edge of the aircrafts flight envelope than one like the Bf109 which is trickier to handle.

 

No doubt about it that the Vb is essentially a 1941 fighter still fighting in 1943. I still think it will hold its own but it won't be a plane that you fly because its the fastest, best climbing, or hardest hitting. The Spitfire IX was a pretty big step up in performance.

 

I still reject the absolutist term of "worst."

[Caudron431]

It will be a nice aircraft, no doubt!

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J7EH-A9EVE

 

How sad that some people consider firstly how effective it will be in an (completely unrealistic btw) e-sports competition environment instead of seing it as a new model of a legendary and beautiful aircraft completing the models we already have. I will love to fly it, just how i like to fly the Folgore or the P40. Give me Chaïka, Hs 123!

 

Just let people have under rated planes and get all what they can out of them because they like them and not only because the have more "objective" chances to be on the top of the stats boards.

Edited January 14, 2017 by Yak9Micha

[Dakpilot]

I vaguely remember the Spit in original IL-2 (can't remember which patch) being a bit of a letdown, in much the same way the light harmonious controls of the FW-190 do not translate well into a cheap desktop joystick, the (historical) light elevator and sensitive pitch did not make it 'enjoyable' purely as a ride..a Hurricane or Buffalo was much more "fun" (purely personal) nothing relating about its performance or 'stat' potential

 

Still looking forward to it though  FM depth and (some) control equipment has changed since then, and notwithstanding current AoA issues, from memory I 'enjoy' the BoS 190 more than old IL-2 version

 

Spit V, P-40 and 109E, 110E  matchups over Kuban will be fun

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Uriah]

And the top virtual online aces will get board flying the 'best' performing aircraft.  Some will want to give themselves more of a challenge. 

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

I don't care about performance. It's like the P-40- it's a P-40, one of my favorites! For me if it doesn't preform well, it'll be a good showplane for aerobatics and skinning. I'm just happy we are getting a spitty. 

[Finkeren]

We are lucky to have the P-40E in the game. That has once and for all dispelled the unrealistic expectations about super LL-aircraft.

 

Now whenever we are looking forward to a new plane, we can say "well, it's probably not gonna be that impressive, but at least it'll be better than the P-40."

[Dakpilot]

Well I guess Spitfire Mk V's were used as fighter cover for the P-40's by the Desert Air Force, and even by the USAAF to escort P-39's     

 

 

 

so it can't be all bad 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[ShamrockOneFive]

I vaguely remember the Spit in original IL-2 (can't remember which patch) being a bit of a letdown, in much the same way the light harmonious controls of the FW-190 do not translate well into a cheap desktop joystick, the (historical) light elevator and sensitive pitch did not make it 'enjoyable' purely as a ride..a Hurricane or Buffalo was much more "fun" (purely personal) nothing relating about its performance or 'stat' potential

 

Still looking forward to it though  FM depth and (some) control equipment has changed since then, and notwithstanding current AoA issues, from memory I 'enjoy' the BoS 190 more than old IL-2 version

 

Spit V, P-40 and 109E, 110E  matchups over Kuban will be fun

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

I remember that too but instead of a letdown, I realized where the aircraft fit in the historical scenario that it was in and then I grabbed a couple of good pilots and we caused absolute havoc against much fancier aircraft.

 

I have no doubt that the Spitfire won't be the top fighter in the game... the Vb is just too old of a design in 1943 to be that. But it will very likely be a ton of fun!

It will be a nice aircraft, no doubt!

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J7EH-A9EVE

 

How sad that some people consider firstly how effective it will be in an (completely unrealistic btw) e-sports competition environment instead of seing it as a new model of a legendary and beautiful aircraft completing the models we already have. I will love to fly it, just how i like to fly the Folgore or the P40. Give me Chaïka, Hs 123!

 

Just let people have under rated planes and get all what they can out of them because they like them and not only because the have more "objective" chances to be on the top of the stats boards.

 

Too right!

[Finkeren]

Well I guess Spitfire Mk V's were used as fighter cover for the P-40's by the Desert Air Force, and even by the USAAF to escort P-39's     

 

usspit.jpg

 

 

so it can't be all bad 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

And those were the horrendous desert Spits, no less.

[BlitzPig_EL]

It will be a nice aircraft, no doubt!

 

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J7EH-A9EVE

 

How sad that some people consider firstly how effective it will be in an (completely unrealistic btw) e-sports competition environment instead of seing it as a new model of a legendary and beautiful aircraft completing the models we already have. I will love to fly it, just how i like to fly the Folgore or the P40. Give me Chaïka, Hs 123!

 

Just let people have under rated planes and get all what they can out of them because they like them and not only because the have more "objective" chances to be on the top of the stats boards.

 

Post of the year sir.

 

Too many people approach simulated air combat like it's a football match.  All they care about are the "points".

 

Sad really.

[Sgt_Joch]

in terms of missing planes, after BoK is finished we will have pretty much all the principal planes in use on the Eastern Front in 1941-43. Looking through "Black Cross Red Star", the only main ones missing are the HS123/FW 189 recce planes and the DC-3 for the Russians.

 

In general, the plane sets are pretty good, from reading BCRS, vol. 2, I found out the main Soviet fighters on the Moscow front 1941-42 were the I-16 and Mig-3 which is what you get in BoM.

 

No doubt the Spit V is a marketing play, much like the P40, but both were there and it if generates more sales and gets us closer to Midway, I say go for it.

[ShamrockOneFive]

in terms of missing planes, after BoK is finished we will have pretty much all the principal planes in use on the Eastern Front in 1941-43. Looking through "Black Cross Red Star", the only main ones missing are the HS123/FW 189 recce planes and the DC-3 for the Russians.

 

In general, the plane sets are pretty good, from reading BCRS, vol. 2, I found out the main Soviet fighters on the Moscow front 1941-42 were the I-16 and Mig-3 which is what you get in BoM.

 

No doubt the Spit V is a marketing play, much like the P40, but both were there and it if generates more sales and gets us closer to Midway, I say go for it.

 

Indeed! And this is what I really like about what they have done with the planesets (mostly). I enjoy that the Collector Planes have always added a little spice to things as well so while key types are available to fly in the Standard pack, the Premium/Collector Planes add some variety especially for Battle of Kuban. The plane set they picked is, in my mind, so well suited to both the history and to making things interesting in the skies.

 

Neither the Spitfire Vb nor the Hs129B-2 are critical for either team to have in a team multiplayer match but the Hs129 and Spitfire Vb are great additions to the roster. Gives players options, adds variety, and makes things interesting. I'll take an interesting plane over "the best" plane more often than not.

[Finkeren]

in terms of missing planes, after BoK is finished we will have pretty much all the principal planes in use on the Eastern Front in 1941-43. Looking through "Black Cross Red Star", the only main ones missing are the HS123/FW 189 recce planes and the DC-3 for the Russians.

 

In general, the plane sets are pretty good, from reading BCRS, vol. 2, I found out the main Soviet fighters on the Moscow front 1941-42 were the I-16 and Mig-3 which is what you get in BoM.

 

No doubt the Spit V is a marketing play, much like the P40, but both were there and it if generates more sales and gets us closer to Midway, I say go for it.

 

I definitely don't think we're there yet for the Eastern Front 1941-43, though I agree, that the plane sets are pretty well put together (personally I'd have scrapped the Macchi and the Spit in favor of some more common types) but the plane set is far from fleshed out (not that I think it'll ever be)

 

Even if we leave out important sub-types of planes that are already in the sim, such as 1941 Yaks and LaGGs, the Ju 87B, La-5F etc, there are still some pretty important stuff missing. There's of course the ever-present Po-2, there's the Su-2 (which was more common than the IL-2 at the start of the war), there's the Fieseler Storch, the DB-3/IL-4, the IAR-80/81 etc. etc.  

 

Yes, most of the really important stuff is there (except for the Po-2 I'd argue) but the list is far from complete.

[Ace_Pilto]

I wonder if we'll get a pilot model with the historically accurate Spitfire moustache.

 

[ZachariasX]

I always wanted to do that in a Hurricane.

That would be a Hurricat and suitable for a Murmansk map...

[curiousGamblerr]

Post of the year sir.

 

Too many people approach simulated air combat like it's a football match.  All they care about are the "points".

 

Sad really.

 

Very happy to agree with you today EL    Really excited for the Spit and the other new VVS airframes!

 

Edit: Did anyone else love the Seafire in 1946? That thing was my jamb man, probably the only aircraft I enjoyed more than the 190. Still holding off on reinstalling 1946 until I'm literally drooling for PTO, but it will definitely happen in the interim between BoK and BoMi.

Edited January 14, 2017 by 19.GIAP//curiousGamblerr

[ZachariasX]

I wonder if we'll get a pilot model with the historically accurate Spitfire moustache.

 

There might be discussions about a possible wrong lift factor for the tips.

[ShamrockOneFive]

There might be discussions about a possible wrong lift factor for the tips.

 

LOL! And then don't get them started on the damage model of that 'stache

[Missionbug]

I definitely don't think we're there yet for the Eastern Front 1941-43, though I agree, that the plane sets are pretty well put together (personally I'd have scrapped the Macchi and the Spit in favor of some more common types) but the plane set is far from fleshed out (not that I think it'll ever be)

 

Even if we leave out important sub-types of planes that are already in the sim, such as 1941 Yaks and LaGGs, the Ju 87B, La-5F etc, there are still some pretty important stuff missing. There's of course the ever-present Po-2, there's the Su-2 (which was more common than the IL-2 at the start of the war), there's the Fieseler Storch, the DB-3/IL-4, the IAR-80/81 etc. etc.  

 

Yes, most of the really important stuff is there (except for the Po-2 I'd argue) but the list is far from complete.

 

I agree all heartedly on that with you, in so much as most of the plane set as is but I do think there has been too much emphasis on putting things into this game for the most part to satisfy certain assumptions that particular types have to be there to sell the game.  

 

The reality is that the Macchi and Fw-190 were there or there about but not actually as important or needed as say the IAR 80, Hurricane, Po-2, and others usually mentioned here and sadly we always end up having to wait for the most interesting types until the end so that the numerous iterations on the already done to death themes are made.

 

I love the 109 series but we could have got by quite nicely with the darling of them all the E and possibly a single G or F, do we really have to make every conceivable version available to the detriment of other more interesting and important types?

 

The Spitfire I would say yes go for but I would have rather had the IAR 80 even if much less sexy and the Hurricane as a pair than anything else so far.

 

What makes a game interesting and playable is to be able to add as many mission options and types as you can, not doing the same thing over and over.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

Edited January 15, 2017 by Missionbug

[Trooper117]

 

But I honestly do not see the enthusiasm for getting the Spit. There is quite enough mediocre Russian planes as it is .

 

Heretic!... stone him... stone the unbeliever!!!!     lol!

 

I don't give a rats backside what version it is, and I don't give a hoot  in racking up kills online just to fill up my substitute cock extension.

The Spitfire has always been a favourite of mine, and I will fly it because I can.

If I get shot down every time I venture online with it then so be it, who cares, not me... as far as I'm concerned its a Spitfire, and that's enough.

[Boaty-McBoatface]

 

I don't give a rats backside what version it is, and I don't give a hoot in racking up kills online just to fill up my substitute cock extension.

The Spitfire has always been a favourite of mine, and I will fly it because I can.

If I get shot down every time I venture online with it then so be it, who cares, not me... as far as I'm concerned its a Spitfire, and that's enough.

Many, many will care. And they will be up in arms about it.

 

The amount of stats jocks and ego slingers here also sharing your same patriotic sentiment towards that airframe will cause outrage I'll tell you now.

Edited January 15, 2017 by 1./TG1_B0SS