What areas are not modeled in flight simulators ?

[BraveSirRobin]

LMAO! You win the internet for today for "most narrow minded post"! And please, show me where I stated that death camps weren't sad? Or that the allies losing the war would have been good? In fact, show me where death camps or the Allies losing were mentioned at all!? 

 

 

 

LOL  Sorry, but it's impossible to be more narrow minded than to think it's sad that lots of German soldiers died in WW2.

 

You said that it was sad that the Germans military had crappy leadership.  The part you don't seem to grasp is that they might have won if they had good leaders.  The fact that lots of Germans were killed wasn't a "sad" thing. 

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

LOL  Sorry, but it's impossible to be more narrow minded than to think it's sad that lots of German soldiers died in WW2.

 

You said that it was sad that the Germans military had crappy leadership.  The part you don't seem to grasp is that they might have won if they had good leaders.  The fact that lots of Germans were killed wasn't a "sad" thing. 

 

If you say so. Thank God I have your infinite wisdom to guide me. I did not say it was sad they had crappy leadership either. Is English your first language?

Edited January 25, 2017 by II./ZG1_CG_Justin

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Isn't every death sad, irrellevant and necessary? Does it really matter who it is in the End?

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Isn't every death sad, irrellevant and necessary? Does it really matter who it is in the End?

 

This^^ was the point I was trying to make. Thank you Klaus!

 

I am sure "Brave"SirRobin has seen his fair share of bloodshed to make such claims. But that is not for me to ponder, nor will I. I'm done with this thread.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Isn't every death sad, irrellevant and necessary? Does it really matter who it is in the End?

Yes, some of them deserve to have been killed.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Yes, some of them deserve to have been killed.

I don't believe in Deities, Souls or an Afterlife so my Perspective is a different one.

 

So my two Main Principles in Life are:

-This is your only Life, your only ever Chance to Concsciousness, as Sagan put it, Part of the Universe's Way of knowing itself. For you there is no before and after, there is only a Lawful Now in which you live, a life of Random, yet Lawful Consequences. It's a wonderous world and you should every Last Second you have. Because after that there is no more you, you are out of the Cycle. Thus to you Life is ultimately Precious, the one thing you cannot Loose. 

 

-In the End nothing really matters. Your Life will End at some point you can't predict, you are playing the Wheel of Fortune every Day. And you are playing that game in a World that is totally indifferent to you, alive or dead. 

Now, I am a Social Primate so I play my part in Society, I take responsibilities, I live by the Golden Rule and I use every chance I get at happiness.

I don't indulge in Hate or Grudges, it doesn't add anything to my Existence except Stress and Negativity/Unhappiness. Revenge Fantasies offer nothing to me. I can't really be Mad at anything due to the immediate realization of the Irrelevance of my Anger. 

 

I enjoy the Chance at Consciousness I have and I believe human should have the unrestricted Chance to the same. Nobody's Chance should be unnecessarily cut short for any Reason. Everybody dies anyways, and if does Wrong should live with it, at get a Chance to Reverse the Harm done to the best of his Ability. 

 

The entire concept of "Deserved Death" is Alien to me. Nobody can possibly deserve Death. 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Just look at Goering and Hitler's grandiose ideas of how people and machines should be employed. The idiocy of the clueless is something Galland battled for almost the entire war and risked being court marshaled or worse to try and remedy.

Just one thing to make a notice - the difference between Galland and others like him and Goering/Hilter is that first ones survived, latter ones not (either killed during war or soon after it). Thus first ones had liberty of saying whatever they want and some of them used it to a full extent to cover their actions. It was so easy and convenient for Galland and men like him to place all the blame on those who could not defend their actions anymore (particularly that many of dead were nazis and close to Hitler). Many took what Galland said for granted. I have yet to see a well documented and covering both sides of the story review of Luftwaffe high command, their actions and decision-making. 

[unreasonable]

@Klaus_Mann    That is all very well, but the point is that we should not look at war and the deaths that inevitably occur as though they were purely bad in every respect, treating all sides and all deaths equally. 

 

There is such a thing as a just war. Countries, nations, have the right to defend themselves against attackers, just as do individuals.

 

It is sad for the people who get caught up in wars to die or lose family, that does not make their fate unnecessary or irrelevant, quite the contrary in the case of the German airmen, and people saved from a terrible fate through their deaths have no reason to feel sad, and even if they do out of a sense of empathy that does not mean that sad = bad. 

 

The difficulty I think is that this kind of "all death in war is equally sad" message easily morphs into "all sides in war are equally bad".   BSR read CG_Justin's post that way, and I can see why. While CG_Justin is denying he said the latter, he has not actually said that he does not believe it.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I don't believe in Deities, Souls or an Afterlife so my Perspective is a different one.

 

So my two Main Principles in Life are:

-This is your only Life, your only ever Chance to Concsciousness, as Sagan put it, Part of the Universe's Way of knowing itself. For you there is no before and after, there is only a Lawful Now in which you live, a life of Random, yet Lawful Consequences. It's a wonderous world and you should every Last Second you have. Because after that there is no more you, you are out of the Cycle. Thus to you Life is ultimately Precious, the one thing you cannot Loose.

 

-In the End nothing really matters. Your Life will End at some point you can't predict, you are playing the Wheel of Fortune every Day. And you are playing that game in a World that is totally indifferent to you, alive or dead.

Now, I am a Social Primate so I play my part in Society, I take responsibilities, I live by the Golden Rule and I use every chance I get at happiness.

I don't indulge in Hate or Grudges, it doesn't add anything to my Existence except Stress and Negativity/Unhappiness. Revenge Fantasies offer nothing to me. I can't really be Mad at anything due to the immediate realization of the Irrelevance of my Anger.

 

I enjoy the Chance at Consciousness I have and I believe human should have the unrestricted Chance to the same. Nobody's Chance should be unnecessarily cut short for any Reason. Everybody dies anyways, and if does Wrong should live with it, at get a Chance to Reverse the Harm done to the best of his Ability.

 

The entire concept of "Deserved Death" is Alien to me. Nobody can possibly deserve Death.

Those are just words. Society will decide as did before.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

What's not modelled: Facials the Glider way

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Neither is pilot weight 

 

[Solty]

To me it seems, and I will probably repeat a lot of the previous statements, that the biggest issue is with simulating fatigue and g forces and stick forces, operational space in the cockpit and controls placement. Their impact on the fight is not big enough. For example a 109 pilot has to turn his flap wheel that is quite awkwardly placed and requires focus while in game u just hold a button on the throttle.

 

Secondly stall mechanics seem to be really simple and in some cases even ridiculously easy to manage.

 

I also find spotting extremely annoying. Planes pop in and out of existance, sometimes they are easier to spot from 8km than from 500m.

 

Lastly I feel like weather conditions don't seem to matter too much while they seem to be one of the biggest concerns IRL.

Edited February 3, 2017 by =LD=Solty

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Physical forces needed to operate control column during given acceleration.

[SharpeXB]

The movie "Sully" (Tom Hanks 2016) and the real life event it depicts explain perfectly what is not "modeled" in a computer simulation.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

Yup, you are absolutely right about that SharpeXB. I had the same observation after the movie:

 

[Falco_Peregrinus]

Accelerated stalls have always been... ambiguous.

 

What I think it would be great (albeit impossible) to model is how "structurally safe" a plane is. 
That sense of structural integrity that a plan can or cannot give you is an immense factor for a pilot.
Feeling that your plane is well built, and very strong, lets you use it at its maximum characteristics.

Flying in a rather "shaky" or "rattly" plane can give you some problems.

Also, as other have stated, the ergonomics of planes are impossible to regulate, but so important for a pilot.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Suggestion tho for IL2.

Realistic use of Stored Compressed Air on Russian planes and others fitted with air brakes.
So that means if you pump the brakes letting it Hiss out over and over they will loose effectivness and stop working until the air is replaced by engine.

In almost all designs of air brakes for safety reasons the Air holds the brakes OFF or open when its release they are engaged
This is so if air line ruptures the brakes lock up versus not working (much safer for say a truck or trailer)

I mean russian planes are already sooooo easy to taxi most are actually really fun.
take the i16 min fuel no weapons and drive it around an AF like a Race buggy @ 50-80kph
Its FUN!