=EXPEND=CG_Justin Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Per the rough timeline outlined in the special TS Q&A with the Devs last month, we should be seeing the Bf 110G-2 some time this month (if development is still on track of course). Is anyone else as excited as me? :dance: Also, how about some friendly discussion about the in's and out's, pro's and con's, and even hopes and dreams of the real beast, and the beast we are getting ready to get in BoK? Maybe even talk about the differences between the E and G variants.
216th_Peterla Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I'm looking forward to it, with the diversity of armament and the skins of Panzerbar(I hope he is engaged with this one also, is an excellent skin artist) Regards
Dutchvdm Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Hi Justin, Very much looking forward to it. I'm really curious about the performance gain. Power difference between the E-2 and the G-2 is enormous. Then again the G-2 is AFAIK almost one ton heavier. Top speed at altitude is almost 600 km/h. Which is way faster than the E model. Model: DB-601AMaximum power in Boosted mode at sea level: 1100 HPMaximum power in Emergency mode at sea level: 990 HPMaximum power in Emergency mode at 4500 m: 1020 HPMaximum power in Combat mode at sea level: 910 HPMaximum power in Combat mode at 5000 m: 960 HP Model: DB-605AMaximum power in Emergency mode at sea level: 1480 HPMaximum power in Emergency mode at 5600 m: 1360 HPMaximum power in Combat mode at sea level: 1310 HPMaximum power in Combat mode at 5800 m: 1250 HP I'm also wondering about additional armor protection. I would guess that the armored windscreen is standard now, but i think the option to add armor to the engines will disappear. The 37mm gun will be fun, but i have a feeling that it will make the plane really slow. And the extra 20 mm gun pods are nice but to me don't add a lot. Sounds like something for bomber hunting. Grt M
=ARTOA=Bombenleger Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) I dee hard times coming for russian tanks! they are already here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrViNSMBXoo go to 12:30 Edited January 10, 2017 by =ARTOA=Bombenleger 2
=EXPEND=CG_Justin Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 Hi Justin, Very much looking forward to it. I'm really curious about the performance gain. Power difference between the E-2 and the G-2 is enormous. Then again the G-2 is AFAIK almost one ton heavier. Top speed at altitude is almost 600 km/h. Which is way faster than the E model. This is the performance I'm looking at as well. It seems that Messerschmitt loved the new horsepower with the DB605, but tended to cram more stuff into their air frames. The same thing happened with the 109 between the F and G series...."more power? Lets add more stuff!" What good is the added HP if you are just going to bog the plane down with extra weight? I cant wait to see what field mods they give us. From what I have read the G series was outfitted with the most Rüstsätze kits of all the 110 variants. I think I am definitely going to love the speed increase though. When I go out attacking ground targets now, if I have no fighter cover it makes it difficult to egress once the bombs start going off and alerting the enemy of my attack. I usually get shot down promptly unless the enemy is busy elsewhere or my fighters are there to tie them up. That extra speed should us get in and get out in a hurry!
Boaty-McBoatface Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) The plane is almost 1 ton heavier? Christ that's surprising. What the hell did they do to the airframe I wonder. That is going to negate a lot of the DB605 power. Level speed will still be nice though. Edited January 10, 2017 by B0SS
Dutchvdm Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 The plane is almost 1 ton heavier? Christ that's surprising. What the hell did they do to the airframe I wonder. That is going to negate a lot of the DB605 power. Level speed will still be nice though. First things that come to mind. More armor for pilot and gunner Heavier engines More ammo for MG151 (Maybe the guns are heavier then the MGFF's as well. Don't know.) MG81Z instead of MG15 More sturdy construction Grt M
Yogiflight Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 The main weight increase is surely due to more default armor, as the role changed from heavy fighter to ground attack aircraft.
150GCT_Veltro Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 First things that come to mind. More sturdy construction We'll see about this........ However i can't wait myself too for G2.
Dutchvdm Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I would certainly make a big difference, but don't neglect the difference between the DB601 and the DB605. With both engines that already 200 kg.
Dakpilot Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 The optional engine and radiator armour and windscreen add 260kg to the E, add in a bit more armour, heavier equipment and the two heavier DB-605 engines-plus minus 330kg dry, and it is not hard to imagine where the large weight increase can come from Cheers Dakpilot
Dutchvdm Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I just looked it op in the dev dairy. 120 rounds of 20mm MG151 ammo weighs 29 kg. The G2 has 750 (350 for one gun and 400 for the other) rounds instead of the 360 of the E2. That's almost 400 more. That's almost another 100 kg.
Asgar Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 i wonder if it will be released with a 4k skin template? maybe Jason reads this and can tell us? either way. i'm really looking forward to testing that 37mm on the TAW with a faster platform than the Ju-87 and more ammunition
=EXPEND=CG_Justin Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 i wonder if it will be released with a 4k skin template? maybe Jason reads this and can tell us? either way. i'm really looking forward to testing that 37mm on the TAW with a faster platform than the Ju-87 and more ammunition I think this is unlikely. I thought I recall reading that if 4k templates are to be made, it will be up to the players due to time constraints with the dev team. I could be wrong though.
Asgar Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 i though that statement was only true for existing planes that already have standard templates? i mean they have to create one for the plane anyway and it feels like a waste of time to make a "low res" template and wait for the community to upscale it
Yakdriver Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Where are the Liberators and Lancasters... i want to see FIRE!!!
=EXPEND=CG_Justin Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 Where are the Liberators and Lancasters... i want to see FIRE!!! If we get Lancs and Libs....I want Schräge Musik!!!! 1
76IAP-Black Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I expect a development update this week about the 110, have preordered BOK last week and im realy excited about what is comming! Thanks Devs!
Yakdriver Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 If we get Lancs and Libs....I want Schräge Musik!!!! Jazz is Life, jazz is Death.
Feathered_IV Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 The plane is almost 1 ton heavier? Christ that's surprising. What the hell did they do to the airframe I wonder. . Maybe this one has a wing spar
Nil Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) If we get Lancs and Libs....I want Schräge Musik!!!! No need to wait for them, we already have the Pe2 to attack from below (joke inside for sniper gunner complainers) Ach!! Das Scräge Musik!! Gut Gut Gut!! Ya!! Edited January 10, 2017 by Nil
Asgar Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Ach!! Das Die Schräge Musik!! Gut Gut Gut!! YJa!! Edited January 10, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Asgar
Yakdriver Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Ach! You with your DoitscherrrRRrr akzent!Cyka Bliad!The Firepower will be overwhelming. But their life is a dangerous one.
Willy__ Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Very excited and looking forward to test that 37mm cannon when its released
Dutchvdm Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Although it has become heavier, it will also climb faster. I found some numbers for the climbrate. It says 8 minutes to 6000 m. If i calculate the Il-2 E2 numbers i get somewhere around 11,5 minutes. This is very rudimentary though.
Boaty-McBoatface Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Although it has become heavier, it will also climb faster. I found some numbers for the climbrate. It says 8 minutes to 6000 m. If i calculate the Il-2 E2 numbers i get somewhere around 11,5 minutes. This is very rudimentary though. This is only possible if the power to weight ratio increases. Surely an extra ton in weight negates the power increase of DB605?
Dutchvdm Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) This is only possible if the power to weight ratio increases. Surely an extra ton in weight negates the power increase of DB605? If you calculate HP per ton with the numbers i posted earlier you will see that the G2 fares better than the E2. Model: DB-601A (Bf-110 E-2) HP per ton Maximum power in Boosted mode at sea level: 1100 HP 164,2 Maximum power in Emergency mode at sea level: 990 HP 147,8 Maximum power in Emergency mode at 4500 m: 1020 HP 152,2 Maximum power in Combat mode at sea level: 910 HP 135,8 Maximum power in Combat mode at 5000 m: 960 HP 143,3 Model: DB-605A (Bf-110 G-2) Maximum power in Emergency mode at sea level: 1480 HP 192,2 Maximum power in Emergency mode at 5600 m: 1360 HP 176,6 Maximum power in Combat mode at sea level: 1310 HP 170,1 Maximum power in Combat mode at 5800 m: 1250 HP 162,3 Grt M Edited January 10, 2017 by I./ZG1_Martijnvdm 3
Semir Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Does anyone have any info on the dive performance of the thing? Also some stats for the machine : http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me110/me110G-2-chart.jpg http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me110/Bf110G-2_data.jpg 1
6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 It's basically going to perform similarly to a 109E-7 with pretty good manouverability still, and acceptable climb. For some reason I can't really hype, I think used all of it on the 52 and H-16 yet to come.
Lusekofte Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I will have a hard time sticking to Russian side when HS 129 , H 16 and 110 G 2 comes. Did we have a answer about the 37 mm gun pod? I had so much fun with that one in old IL 2
ShamrockOneFive Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 I am very excited about the 110G-2. I've had a lot of fun flying the E-2 model and it'll be nice to get back into the 110G-2. I had a lot of fun flying it in IL-2: 1946 and I expect I will here as well. What a great pick for a plane in the Battle of Kuban scenario. A very versatile aircraft... heavy fighter, bomber hunter, possible tank hunter, ground attacker... It can do a lot and it gives the Axis side a fairly decently performing all around useful type for a pretty big variety of roles. I will have a hard time sticking to Russian side when HS 129 , H 16 and 110 G 2 comes. Did we have a answer about the 37 mm gun pod? I had so much fun with that one in old IL 2 We got an answer! They showed us the BK3,7 attached in this dev update: https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/168-developer-diary/?p=399741 I don't care if it reduces performance... I'll use that!
[CPT]Pike*HarryM Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Should be great for tank-busting, another nice tool in the toolbox! Better 20MM cannons for intercept missions, hate the MG-FFs, they are OK for strafing or point blank shooting, deflection shooting I suck at using them. Edited January 10, 2017 by HarryM
Dutchvdm Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 Does anyone have any info on the dive performance of the thing? Also some stats for the machine : http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me110/me110G-2-chart.jpg http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me110/Bf110G-2_data.jpg Thnx for the data. Good to see that standardweight is "only" 7,5 ton, and not 7,7. That 700 kg more than the E model that we have in BOM. What i don't understand is the numbers for it's Vmax. Are those test in the manual performed with combatpower or with normal power. The data from the E model in the dev dairy is with emergency power. So one can not compare those two that easily. Grt M
Guest deleted@1562 Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 This plane will become my main ride in BOK
Luftschiff Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) An up-powered, up-armoured, up-gunned version of my favourite plane, what's that you say? A 37mm gun? EVEN MORE FAVOURITE PLANE. I'll continue to dream of the He219 til the end of days, and I'll always regret that the axis never made any further improvements on the Stuka, but the 110 G-2 will instantly and irrevocably combat-power its way onto the top of my flight list. Edited January 11, 2017 by Luftschiff
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 (edited) Just pray for no wobbling when firing the 37mm or its effectiveness will be greatly reduced. I hope a single cannon along the longitudinal axis can be pretty stable and consequently a real killer eliminating the convergence limitation like we have now in the stuka. Edited January 11, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Gielow 1
Lusekofte Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 We got an answer! They showed us the BK3,7 attached in this dev update: https://forum.il2stu...diary/?p=399741 I don't care if it reduces performance... I'll use that! I count that as a yes, now I really look forward to the 110G
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