how do you feel about ramming?

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

not overly worried about it in general just saying on servers like WoL  IT IS AGAINST THE RULES

Therefor kickable and banable

[Jerry_Sama]

Mostly i am fine with it as long as you are not intentionally wasting perfectly good planes just to ram into people.

 

If it happens in the middle of a dogfight accidentally, It sucks but after the initial slight annoyance i will get over it.

 

If i or the enemy are out of ammo and/or the plane is heavily damaged and in either case you are absolutely unable to break off and make an escape to your airfield, Go for it. I mean if your only other options are to either slam your plane to the ground/emergency land or to get brutally gunned down, you might as well try to cause some damage or try to destroy the enemy plane if the opportunity arises.

[SAG]

Problem is only the player with the highest ping gets damaged (me, in almost every case) so im not a fan of getting rammed and have the enemy just fly away safely.

[Beazil]

Doesn't mean we should ban them. You ban people for being malicious, not making mistakes.

Holy crap this!

Edit I picked whee I do it all the time.

At least we have a Sim that models collisions. Right or wrong people make mistakes. I doubt few people would take the time to randomly ram YOUR bomber on purpose. More likely the person just messed up. If you are head on in a fighter then I go for the old adage "it takes two to ram".

I love the way this Sim models. collisions. Don't change a thing!

Edited March 11, 2017 by Beazil

[Gomoto]

Against AI when I am out of ammo, why not take their tail with my wing ?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

What pisses me off more when I'm in the lead on the tail of an enemy plane and some seagull screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!" tries to overtake and winds up crashing into me.  

 

What pisses me off more than that is idiots who shoulder shoot.  It's exactly the reason why I have no problem boom and zooming kills away from some of you who have been chasing an enemy for 5 minutes. At least I know my risk of getting friendly-fired by some idiot are down to a millisecond window and not a multi-second window. 

[RedKestrel]

15 hours ago, Mobile_BBQ said:

What pisses me off more when I'm in the lead on the tail of an enemy plane and some seagull screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!" tries to overtake and winds up crashing into me.  

 

What pisses me off more than that is idiots who shoulder shoot.  It's exactly the reason why I have no problem boom and zooming kills away from some of you who have been chasing an enemy for 5 minutes. At least I know my risk of getting friendly-fired by some idiot are down to a millisecond window and not a multi-second window. 

I don't really care that much if someone comes in and 'steals' a kill from me, to be honest, beyond brief annoyance. As long as the enemy goes down in the end, who gets the credit is just window dressing. 

But if people are going to shoulder shoot or zoom in for the kill on an aircraft, please do it quickly so that if I have to break off, he doesn't use the opportunity to reverse and kill me. I've had it happen more than once where someone blazing in with superior E and attacks a fighter I've been dogfighting, forcing me to break off to avoid collision or friendly fire. THEN he goes and botches his attack, I've been put out of position, and now the guy I had on the ropes is able to turn the tables on me while the wannabe ace zooms away, having lost the target, or burns all his E  maneuvering and just gets in the way. 

 

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

3 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

I don't really care that much if someone comes in and 'steals' a kill from me, to be honest, beyond brief annoyance. As long as the enemy goes down in the end, who gets the credit is just window dressing. 

But if people are going to shoulder shoot or zoom in for the kill on an aircraft, please do it quickly so that if I have to break off, he doesn't use the opportunity to reverse and kill me. I've had it happen more than once where someone blazing in with superior E and attacks a fighter I've been dogfighting, forcing me to break off to avoid collision or friendly fire. THEN he goes and botches his attack, I've been put out of position, and now the guy I had on the ropes is able to turn the tables on me while the wannabe ace zooms away, having lost the target, or burns all his E  maneuvering and just gets in the way. 

 

 

I've botched boom and zooms, of course.  When that happens, I break off and try to keep distraction/pressure from above while the original pursuer sets up on him. Usually, the panic of "Oh Sh=t! There's now 2!" is enough to make sure he doesn't get away or reverse. 

I also usually make sure that the distance between the friendly attacker who is not quite able to get the shot and the opponent is far enough that the friendly doesn't have to think about it and can continue with what they were doing if I miss.  The only time I'll cut in when it might throw off the friendly is when it's apparent they are surely on the verge of being reversed on anyway. 

[RedKestrel]

1 minute ago, Mobile_BBQ said:

 

I've botched boom and zooms, of course.  When that happens, I break off and try to keep distraction/pressure from above while the original pursuer sets up on him. Usually, the panic of "Oh Sh=t! There's now 2!" is enough to make sure he doesn't get away or reverse. 

I also usually make sure that the distance between the friendly attacker who is not quite able to get the shot and the opponent is far enough that the friendly doesn't have to think about it and can continue with what they were doing if I miss.  The only time I'll cut in when it might throw off the friendly is when it's apparent they are surely on the verge of being reversed on anyway. 

Yeah, I'm not talking about well-thought-out passes, I'm talking about when I'm like 200 yards from the target, firing at it, and some knob flashes by a few feet from my nose, missing the target completely, and forcing me to stop firing and maneuver hard to avoid him.

I've been rescued enough times from a fight I couldn't win by friendly cover overhead that I don't mind others pitching in. Its just the sudden "OH S*** where did he come from?" when I'm in the middle of shooting that I don't like. 

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

22 minutes ago, RedKestrel said:

Yeah, I'm not talking about well-thought-out passes, I'm talking about when I'm like 200 yards from the target, firing at it, and some knob flashes by a few feet from my nose, missing the target completely, and forcing me to stop firing and maneuver hard to avoid him.

I've been rescued enough times from a fight I couldn't win by friendly cover overhead that I don't mind others pitching in. Its just the sudden "OH S*** where did he come from?" when I'm in the middle of shooting that I don't like. 

 

I hear that!  Got into a chase one a P-38 the other day and a 109 zoomed up beside me and shot him.  I didn't know this because the AAA was after the 38 as well.  I leveled out as he went down.  Next thing I know, my 190 jolted suddenly and I see a 109 tail section fly past me.  I didn't see the rest of the plane.  Luckily, I was able to ditch a few seconds later. The only thing I could say after that was "Good Job 109". ?

[Avimimus]

Online - very annoying (death has no consequences so people take excessive risks and/or troll). Offline - a historical reality (both as accident and occasional extreme heroism).

Edited November 26, 2019 by Avimimus

[Gambit21]

On 11/25/2019 at 4:47 PM, Mobile_BBQ said:

 I have no problem boom and zooming kills away from some of you who have been chasing an enemy for 5 minutes. 

 

I used to do that all the time when flying the 190 in the old days. I’d watch for that bright blue belly to flash at me...Come screaming down from 4K at 850kph into the middle of a knife fight in the weeds. A 1 second burst, dead airplane, zoom back up.

Good times.

[Cynic_Al]

On 1/9/2017 at 8:02 AM, 19//Moach said:

- it's a survey of personal opinions towards it for the sake of Science™

 

What will the scientists do with the gathered information?

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

8 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I used to do that all the time when flying the 190 in the old days. I’d watch for that bright blue belly to flash at me...Come screaming down from 4K at 850kph into the middle of a knife fight in the weeds. A 1 second burst, dead airplane, zoom back up.

Good times.

 

It certainly gets the job done.  

 

As far as ramming goes as a tactic... some might not believe this from me, but...  I avoid it.  I do get into unintended collisions a bit more than I want to admit.   

A semi-related topic:  If I shoot you down while you're in the middle of vulching and you bail out, quit mission ASAP.  I'm coming for your chute next.  Any other situation, your chute is safe.

[MeoW.Scharfi]

When two people headon each other with fighter planes, both are too proud to turn away and ram into each other only that one of them writes "noob rammer"

 

?‍♀️?‍♀️?‍♀️?‍♀️?‍♀️

 

[Bremspropeller]

Well, the other one might be a professional rammer. ?‍♀️

[RedKestrel]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

Well, the other one might be a professional rammer. ?‍♀️

When it comes to ramming, the amateur has a certain charm that the professional lacks

[Rei-sen]

I have a saved track of me in my Mig with empty ammo chasing a Macchi on Berloga. I think the guy realized what I was going to do as he was desperately trying to escape and was evading my ramming attacks. I rammed him in the end. Macchi went down and I performed emergency landing along the river bank.

 

It was hilarious. I was chasing him and was thinking that it must be even more terrifying than being shot at (in the game at least)?

Edited December 18, 2019 by Arthur-A

[Creep]

I'll just leave this here ?

 

In all seriousness though... I think 95% of the time, mid-airs are an accident. I don't get upset about it.

[CanadaOne]

If the guy in the other plane is a snowflake... then ramming is perfectly appropriate, it not downright necessary.