BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 I didn't say "I really want this", I said it would add an extra element of immersion, There's absolutely no difference. You think it adds immersion. I don't. It's just your opinion against mine, and yet I'm the troll. Talk about condescending...
DD_bongodriver Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Bongo, they released aircraft without clickable cockpits. That means they don't think it's important enough to put the effort into clickable cockpits. No, it means that they don't have clickable cockpits, there is a lot of stuff that BoS won't have and it's not because it's not important enough, now would it be a problem for you to simply allow those of us that would like the feature to discuss it and our reasons for it?
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 No, it means they don't have time to do it currently, doesn't mean it won't be done some time in the future, when you will no doubt tthen think it is a great idea. How much money would you bet on them adding that stuff later?
Kaenzdhi Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 if you want a sim, where you can click the mouse for 3 minutes to start the engine, i can suggest one (you have the time for it, cause there is no war and no enemies). And if you want a sim, where anything is included and nothing works, i have another suggestion.
Sternjaeger Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) There's absolutely no difference. You think it adds immersion. I don't. It's just your opinion against mine, and yet I'm the troll. Talk about condescending... you're obviously deliberately not reading what we said to you: there was nothing constructive about your statement. You're entitled in your opinion, but you can appreciate that if you don't argument it, people might think that your attitude so far was nothing but condescending and arrogant. Read how the conversation went again, and you may see what I'm talking about. Edited December 6, 2013 by Sternjaeger 1
ATAG_Slipstream Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 How much money would you bet on them adding that stuff later? None at all, but I do not know the future. Anyway, I'm out, this thread can only go south from here with bickering.
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 now would it be a problem for you to simply allow those of us that would like the feature to discuss it and our reasons for it? Oddly, it seems to be a really big problem for you to simply allow those of us who don't want it to discuss it and our reasons against it... Look, the whole thing is based on 2 points of view: I want it. I don't want it. The poor horse has been beat to death.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Give up Stern, the trolls have caught wind of another thread for a feature 'they' don't like, they just want to get this locked so it goes away. 1
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 you're obviously deliberately not reading what we said to you: there was nothing constructive about your statement. No, I read everything. You really, really, really, really, REALLY want it. I get it. I really, really, really, really, really, don't want them wasting time on it. Rinse. Lather. Repeat.
Quax Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Bongo, you call me troll ? Hope they lock this now.
HansHansen Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 What really amazes me is, that from the beginning of the BoS project, it was obvious that it will not be the DCS or FSX kind of simulator with advanced radio, nagiation and god knows what other highly complex systems. Developers stated early in the project what kind of simulator this will become, you could even get a glimpse of what it will be if you tried RoF, yet people constantly want to change that and make BoS to something that it simply isn't and probably never will be. Now unfortunately some guys here did not understand what was written previously, so I'm sorry to repeat myself but: If you want clickable cockpits and very advanced simulations of all systems aboard a WWII aircraft GET DCS WWII If you have 700$+ hardware to fly in BoS, you surely will have another 50$ to buy it. Don't try to change BoS to save a few bucks/quid/euros/pesos/whatever. Buy DCS WWII if you want your clickable pits you cheap *****. Everyone will be happy this way...
von_Tom Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Woohoo the Bongo/Stern double act gets another outing and instead of the issue it turns into a thread about them. Another topic flogged to death repeatedly. I'm sure the developers understand the concept of clickable pits and have assigned it whatever priority they deem fit. For the record I think they're pointless in a combat flight sim. Everything I need in CLOD is mapped to my HOTAS except engine start and bail out - two things I don't want to hit by accident. Oh and a couple of keys on my number pad. Much easier and intuitive than switching hands, waving a pointer around in the virtual air and trying to find the right click space. It's a combat flight sim with the emphasis on combat. Roll on the guns tonight. Yee-haw over and out. Hood
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Give up Stern, the trolls have caught wind of another thread for a feature 'they' don't like, they just want to get this locked so it goes away. Go away? LOL We'll probably average 1 - 2 new "I want a clickable cockpit" threads per month.
DD_fruitbat Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Really... even more so the second time, lol.
Memnon77 Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Don't mind him. He is doing the same on the ROF forums and gets ignored by and large. Constructive posts are not his forte. Personally, I would like to have an option implemented to use clickable cockpits, if the devs have time for that, but I could also do without them. We will have to wait and see.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Go away? LOL We'll probably average 1 - 2 new "I want a clickable cockpit" threads per month. Yep, enough people want the feature, so they make a post enquiring thinking it's the first not realising all the previous ones have been trolled to lock and before long the trolls smell the blood in the water again......rinse cycle repeat.
Capt_Hook Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 The cockpits were discussed early on in one of the dev threads back in the early part of the project. Without directly saying so, the devs implied (IIRC, IMHO, and YMMV) that the extremely advanced clickable pits in CloD were one of the contributing factors to the financial failure of that project due to their extreme cost. IIRC, they stated that a typical CloD pit took between 6 man-months and 1 man-year to create, which makes them prohibitively expensive given the time, money, and manpower budgets here. I'd like to see the graphical fidelity (especially the shadow quality) met or exceeded by BoS, but the huge added modeling and art complexity brought in by a fully live, clickable pit just isn't going to happen. I'd love to see them look at doing more advanced pits as a paid add-on. It wouldn't affect the game if some folks had a pit with a lot more hours of artwork put into it, and I'd be willing to drop $20 (or perhaps more) on extended-quality pits for my favorite planes.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 But why? the pits are made, the systems are modelled, the animations are there all that needs to be done is put a cursor on screen to click the buttons.
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Yep, enough people want the feature, so they make a post enquiring thinking it's the first not realising all the previous ones have been trolled to lock and before long the trolls smell the blood in the water again......rinse cycle repeat. Or they're just trolling... the systems are modelled No, they're not. That's the problem.
Quax Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) But why? the pits are made, the systems are modelled, the animations are there all that needs to be done is put a cursor on screen to click the buttons. Bongo will do it !!! At least the devs don´t have to spend money and time ....or perhaps he is only a troll ? Edited December 6, 2013 by Quax
ST_ami7b5 Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) Hi time for that (today's) patch! Edited December 6, 2013 by ST_ami7b5
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 bongo, when you say "clickable cockpit", do you want them to model every button in the cockpit, or do you just want them to let us click the stuff that is currently modeled?
Kaenzdhi Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 But why? the pits are made, the systems are modelled, the animations are there all that needs to be done is put a cursor on screen to click the buttons. Are you serious?
DD_fruitbat Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Hi time for that (today's) patch! Indeed.
ST_ami7b5 Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 RoF Flying Circus server is down, patch seems to be coming soon
DD_bongodriver Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 bongo, when you say "clickable cockpit", do you want them to model every button in the cockpit, or do you just want them to let us click the stuff that is currently modeled? Well since you are asking, ideally yes I personally would really like to have everything modelled (please don't feel threatened by that), alternatively having the option to click only what is currently modelled is OK too (again no need to go all defensive over another individuals desires). Are you serious? Yes, oh wait.....but it costs millions and takes years to make an on screen cursor to operate already existing systems........Oh well at least I have Oculus rift support to look forward to.
Sternjaeger Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 All I can see so far is the OP asking a question, and the usual suspects giving their finest opinions to derail this thread. All I said is why do some people have to be so aggressive about this topic, when they can either be constructive or ignore it altogether? Why is this behaviour tolerated? 1
Uufflakke Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 (edited) regret clicking on this thread. Really... even more so the second time, lol. That is masochism man. Pure masochism. Edited December 6, 2013 by Uufflakke 1
DD_bongodriver Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 All I can see so far is the OP asking a question, and the usual suspects giving their finest opinions to derail this thread. All I said is why do some people have to be so aggressive about this topic, when they can either be constructive or ignore it altogether? Why is this behaviour tolerated? Mainly because those of us who are capable of intelligent debate tend to not use the report button enough, god if I had a dollar for every time a moderator told me to use the report button I'd have about $30......or so.
HeavyCavalrySgt Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Wasn't there a line in one of the live streams about this not being a button sim?
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Well since you are asking, ideally yes I personally would really like to have everything modelled (please don't feel threatened by that), alternatively having the option to click only what is currently modelled is OK too (again no need to go all defensive over another individuals desires). There is a pretty big difference between those 2 options, and yet the people who want this stuff always move the goalposts back and forth like it's no big deal. All I can see so far is the OP asking a question, and the usual suspects giving their finest opinions to derail this thread. All I said is why do some people have to be so aggressive about this topic, when they can either be constructive or ignore it altogether? Why is this behaviour tolerated? I don't see anyone in here being more aggressive than either you or bongo. No one it trying to derail this thread, it's happening because that's what always happens to these sorts of threads. As for being "constructive", I think that "I don't want them to waste time on useless stuff" is pretty damned constructive.
DD_Arthur Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Good lord! Two and a half pages of nonsense in under three hours. Please get that server up!
-MG-Cacti4-6 Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 As for being "constructive", I think that "I don't want them to waste time on useless stuff" is pretty damned constructive. true story. the bottom line is that a clickable cockpit adds to immersion and nothing more. it doenst add to functionality, it just makes the end user feel like he/she is doing something inside the bird.
DD_bongodriver Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Me? Aggressive?.........you must be a really sensitive little flower.........or more like you can dish it but can't take it.
BraveSirRobin Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 Me? Aggressive?.........you must be a really sensitive little flower.........or more like you can dish it but can't take it. I'm not the one crying about it, sparky.
Krupi Posted December 6, 2013 Posted December 6, 2013 true story. the bottom line is that a clickable cockpit adds to immersion and nothing more. it doenst add to functionality, it just makes the end user feel like he/she is doing something inside the bird. Which is kind of the whole point of a "sim".....
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