FW 190 worth it?

[SCG_motoadve]

I have never liked it in Il2 (Original) was twitchy , and easy to stall.

Same in Warbirds and EAW.

 

I have seen all the complaints here too,but good thing is that it will be fixed.

 

Is it worth buying it?

[unreasonable]

That really depends on how much money you have and what else you need to buy, n'est ce pas?

 

If you are interested in the period generally and have a few dollars spare - certainly. It is twitchy here too, but you could just wait until the developers come out with the next version if you are unsure.

 

If you tend just to fly one plane in MP and get good at it, perhaps not: but Jason really needs the money to pay his vig, so help the team out if you can spare a dime.

[konate]

I just enjoy it.  I am glad I have it.  I don't think I have landed it successfully once, but it's worth it to me because I like it's performance and the challenge of how it flies.  I mostly play single player and I have only 3 instances on multiplayer and used the FW-190 each time.  I got shot down twice, and screwed up my landing once.  Why did I get shot down?  I have no idea, I was drinking a little too heavily at the time.

 

I feel the same concerning the P-40.  I love to fly it and am glad to have it.  This one, though, I'd be a bit less likely to fly in multiplayer due to it's performance.

[F/JG300_Gruber]

It is twitchy and easy too stall too.

I didn't liked it either at first.

 

Then my piloting improved with time and I learned how to fly it.

It's responsiveness at very high speed (600+kph) makes it a wonderful boom and zoomer

It is much more stable than the 109s as a gun platform, and more powerful. 

Stronger airframe too, you can soak up more damage than the messers

Visibility is great once you modify the default view 

 

Only drawback is that it doesn't climb well and is slow to accelerate and that defensive manoeuvering is not very effective with it's current FM.

So you have to be very careful about when to engage and when it is time to bug out, and put extra thinking on energy management.

 

But I like it a lot and I've been very successful in it, even with the current not so good Flight Model. 

Each time I take a 109 I just wish I didn't because of the crappy ailerons, extra wobbling and stiff controls during a dive. Aside from their rocket climbing ability, these planes feel a pain to fly now.

[Guest deleted@50488]

I just play the fighters in IL.2 Battle of, and the Fw190 A3 is still my preferred Axis fighter, as much as the LagG3 is my preferred VVS fighter, don't ask me why...

 

Among the Fw's I use between DCS World's D-9 and IL.2's A-3, this is my preferred. As a matter of fact I still find the feel of flight, aircraft response, control simulation, ambience et al, superior in IL.2 to anything else, and I have particularly got a real fan of the A-3, and looking forward for the A-5 :-)

[GridiroN]

Before this turns into another FW190 thread, I'm going to lay it out as someone who actually flew the 190 and nothing else for a month straight. 

 

Is it too easy to stall?

 

Not when you get used to it and adjust your HOTAS accordingly. 

 

But is the stall too significant based on real sources?

 

Yes. This is being fixed when the A5 comes out. 

 

Is it a good plane?

Yes

 

Is it a good dogfighter?

 

No. It's awful. 

 

Then how is it a good plane?

 

It's not built to knife-fight bolshevik energy gliders at 50m, It was built to overpower Spitfires and prey on pilots who make mistakes. 

 

Is it worth the money?

 

Yes, if you are a fan of the 190 and can emotionally handle running away at 850kph anytime an opponent is not immediately in front of you.

Edited January 4, 2017 by GridiroN

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Think of it as a much faster, better climbing and more manouverable than a P-40. It carries a 500kg. Bomb which is amazing and it is very good at covering Distances quickly and very pleasurable in straight and level Flight. If you like to fly Co-Ops with long Distances to Cover you will like it a lot. 

 

On the Dogfight Servers it is hampered by Aerodynamic Issues which will be fixed in March, but even it then it will be a heavy Son of a Female Dog and of only Limited use in Low Alt Twisty Dogfighting. 

 

Use it primarily with some Company to keep your Six clean and Focus on the Heavy Aircraft like Peshkas and Il-2s the 109s tend to struggle with. 

Edited January 4, 2017 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[L3Pl4K]

You should wait for the update of the flight model.

[Finkeren]

Currently it takes a lot of dedication to master as a dogfighter. However, it's an excellent BnZer and a fearsome ground attack plane.

 

After the FM changes it will probably be somewhat easier to handle, and after the new modeling of rudder forces is implemented its advantage in roll rate will probably be more noticable. However, it will never be as easy-going and forgiving as a 109.

[Lusekofte]

I like the FW 190 better than the 109 in this game, after all the controversial around this aircraft I have tested it so much that I learned to love it. As Finkern say , probably not the best dogfighter, I would not know, I am bad at it in any plane. But better fighter bomber you will not have. In any server you will have a high rate of survival in it. Fast and deadly if your opponent do not see you, and it is a good weapon platform against ground targets. In my mind you can be very good at shooting down planes in it, if you avoid turn fights and are smart about it. The curve settings should probably be tweaked a bit on your joystick flying this game. I get a very good joystick , I do not recognise some of the critiques it got .

 

To your information :

My time in axis planes are limited, I fly mostly Russian side, so I might learn to like the 109 better if I tried harder. And my opinion is based on loosely and not repeatedly long term flying

Edited January 4, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Irgendjemand]

right now its porked. But it will be overhauled soon. So yes - buy it!
But leave ti in your hangar until it gets fixed. Saves you a lot of frustration. This plane right now cant win a one on one co/e encounter against almost all VVS planes if you DONT just fly and run and go for headons.
No discussion intended.....

[ITAF_Cymao]

 

 

Is it worth buying it?

No, not worth it!

Even if you have money to burn it'snt worth.

Maybe after the fix, maybe...

[RAY-EU]

Fw190 A 3 was better fighter than Spifire MKV a,b and Bf109 F4 , G2-4 and G6 .

 

The instructions were to avoid dogfight with Yaks but could bomb objectives and with advantage speed escape .

[Finkeren]

Fw190 A 3 was better fighter than Spifire MKV a,b and Bf109 F4 , G2-4 and G6.

Generalizing statements like this are meaningless. Better in what way exactly?

[konate]

 

Visibility is great once you modify the default view 

 

How do you do this?

[RAY-EU]

Fw190 A3 was more manoeuvrable , more agile and better roll rate than the Spitfire MkV a,b & Bf109 F4 , G2-4 And G6 .

 

Appearance of the Fw190 caused an urgent need for higher performace for the Spitfire MkV .

Fw190 first saw combat over the English Channel in September 1941 , the new Fw190 fighter shock to the RAF , being faster and more agile than the Spitfire and went on to become the dominant force in aerial combat in Europe , performing with equal distinction as a fighter as the most important ground attack machine . ' Aircraft of WW2 Chancellor Press London UK edition 2014 '

Edited January 4, 2017 by RAY-EU

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

How do you do this?

 

Press home to move the pilots head backwards and you'll get a great view!

[Tomsk]

IMO the answer to whether you should buy it is "it depends". Personally I like it and fly it almost exclusively, but then I like fast BnZ aircraft. What it's good at is BnZ: spot an enemy below you, dive on them, hit them with the awesome firepower, zoom up, regain SA, possibly attack again. Or slashing attacks where you come screaming into a furball, unload your weapons and pass through the other side without ever slowing down. If under threat often the best defence is to simply dive away and run on the deck at high speed, no-one's ever going to catch you if you start from a reasonable altitude. The 190 also has an amazing roll rate that can make it quite formidable at scissors, although that's tougher at the moment with the touchy stall characteristics.

 

What the 190 is not, and will never be, is a good turn fighter. If you like to dive into every fight, get into the thick of it, turn with every plane you see and don't worry about your survival too much, then you probably won't like the 190: it's not so great at that style of play. If you like playing more conservatively, thinking a lot about energy and when to look for the exit, you like playing to survive, and enjoy the satisfaction of shooting down an opponent who never knew you were there .. well the 190 has a lot to offer.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Tomsk

[ShamrockOneFive]

I decided to make the FW190 my plane back in the early IL-2 days. This was IL-2: Forgotten Battles version 1.0 where the slightest touch to the elevator controls would send you into an uncontrolled spin. A bit of hyperbole but nonetheless it was a difficult fighter to master. It's changed over the years and over two flight simulators that I've flown it in but I really like it.

 

It's a powerful and devastating fighter when flown right. It will kill pilots who don't fly it to its strengths in combat. So its a rewarding plane but also an extremely challenging one and it requires fighting in a different way than you would a Yak or a 109. Also, despite some challenges with the flight model right now, its a great fighter-bomber aircraft. A SC500 on the centerline will do some serious damage to ground targets and despite the drag... you're still quite fast and difficult to intercept.

 

As always... its up to you. It's a good fighter and in March/April when the FW190A-5 comes for BoK it will be better. Its a lot of fun if you like flying this type of aircraft.

[StG2_Manfred]

Would love to see those fighter techniques flown on an expert server (video / track-files) and not only theoretically described

 

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2017 by StG2_Manfred

[Tomsk]

Well I refer to you ZeHairy's wonderful video:

 

 

Of course ... he does stall at the end and crash into the ground ... but that sort of illustrates the problem as well

[303_Kwiatek]

Video was made 1.5 year ago with different FM of FW 190. Now combat in similar way is not possible casue CLmax/CAoA is lower then should be also acceleration is worse.

Edited January 4, 2017 by 303_Kwiatek

[Dakpilot]

This Sim is Dead, Stick a fork in it?

 

May as well bury it, 

 

It took FOUR WHOLE DAYS to get an FW190 thread started 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Tomsk]

nods we all know the 190 FM is broken, fortunately this has been recognised and is going to be addressed in future. Hopefully then it'll be good in scissors again, as it was well known for being.

[No601_Swallow]

This Sim is Dead, Stick a fork in it?

 

May as well bury it, 

 

It took FOUR WHOLE DAYS to get an FW190 thread started 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

A 190 thread? Maybe. But Klaus_Mann, Feathered IV and I managed to work this into a thread about two and a half hours after midnight on New Years's Day:

 

 

Brilliant stuff, Feathered!

 

Happy new year one and all!

 

[That is a laugh-out-loud video from Ze_Hairy! Makes me feel slightly better about my own awful attempts to fly the 190!]

[Turban]

Definitely worth it. My favorite plane since I got it. Time spent on it now will help even when the new FM arrives, since the approach to fighting will be the same i.e it will still not be a turn fighter.

 

But in the end it depends on you and your fighting style. It will never be the easiest plane to fly.

 

But if you can adapt to it, it's awesome.

Edited January 4, 2017 by Turban

[StG2_Manfred]

If you like to use it as a fighter bomber then it is worth it. But if you want to use it as a fighter then it's not worth it, at least at the moment. Because all techniques described do not work, it's completely impossible to offensive fight with it now. That's why I asked for video evidence. And be aware, even when you dive with 850 km/h the Yak-1b will follow you....

 

But as mentioned, an overhaul will come and hopefully we get the plane it was famous for.

Edited January 4, 2017 by StG2_Manfred

[Finkeren]

If you like to use it as a fighter bomber then it is worth it. But if you want to use it as a fighter then it's not worth it, at least at the moment. Because all techniques described do not work, it's completely impossible to offensive fight with it now. That's why I asked for video evidence. And be aware, even when you dive with 850 km/h the Yak-1b will follow you....

 

But as mentioned, an overhaul will come and hopefully we get the plane it was famous for.

Must've been my imagination all those times I was completely outflown by Fw 190 pilots when I was flying Yak and started with the advantage.

[StG2_Manfred]

Must've been my imagination all those times I was completely outflown by Fw 190 pilots when I was flying Yak and started with the advantage.

 

Only anecdotes, you know. Where is the evidence? Next time this situation occurs press your record button then we all can enjoy this ace and the capabilities of the 190. Or even better take the 190 and demonstrate us it's possibilities. Should be no problem to record one when it's such an outstanding plane.

Edited January 4, 2017 by StG2_Manfred

[L3Pl4K]

 

 

ou're still quite fast and difficult to intercept.

It is not to hard, to intercept. Why? It has almost no possibility to escape in a nosedive, to gain separation.

[Roo5ter]

It is not to hard, to intercept. Why? It has almost no possibility to escape in a nosedive, to gain separation.

 

I also have noticed it really has to be one or two passes at high speed and run due to the ability to maintain separation.  I hate when the 109s end up in a dogfight and you get muddied in the lower speed or lower altitude fighting trying to help.  The alternative is of course letting a Yak sit on their six and pick them apart.  Often times the second pass has required a turn (even without bleeding much speed) that means I can pick up a Red on my six that I can't get far enough away from quickly enough to prevent significant dmg to my 190.

 

Just some more anecdote to continue the trend

[216th_Jordan]

Press home to move the pilots head backwards and you'll get a great view!

Don't forget to press F10 once you got the perfect view. otherwise it will not be saved.

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I use one click forward from full back as a default. Pretty good view overall. The stock head position is terrible.

[ITAF_Cymao]

But does someone pay you to talk positively about the Fw190? Do you have some benefit?
Now Fw 190 is the worst airplane of the IL2 series, and honestly I dont suggest anyone to buy it...

I would suggest to wait for the promised fix!

 

S!

[Adj]

I think it's worth it.

 

The more you fly it, the better you become with it.

I'm a rubbish virtual pilot, but it is still my fighter of choice.

 

 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

I find it a perfectly functional aircraft. By that I don't mean it is great per se. It does many things well and a couple of things poorly. It is not historical in its current state but if you fly it to its strengths it can be devestating. The update will make it better with the new data the DEV's have in hand. It will climb, roll and scissor better in the spring but will not get any faster. It will still stall sharply but a little deeper into the flight envelope. It will not be uber and it will not suddenly become a knife fighter.

 

Is it worth it now, as is? Yes! Don't listen to the fringe elements who scream, "it's rubbish," but know that it does have ahistorical flaws ATM. It is a challenge to get her to perform and she will kill you quickly at low level if you abuse her but man it is fun. And she is a beast when you get all six guns to bear.

 

Is it worth it in the spring? The probable answer is, "absolutely," but we shall see.

 

I got it on the first day and have rarely regretted doing so. I've given away a half dozen or so and I'd buy it for myself again, with my knowledge of the flaws, in a heartbeat.

Edited January 4, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[konate]

My search-fu, admittedly, isn't that great, but I have spent about 20 min trying to find tips on how to land this thing to no avail.

 

I can get her on the runway. It's not long after that she spins and loses her prop without help, with brakes, or with rudder assistance; even at 210 kph touchdown.

 

Ideas?

[216th_Jordan]

My search-fu, admittedly, isn't that great, but I have spent about 20 min trying to find tips on how to land this thing to no avail.

 

I can get her on the runway. It's not long after that she spins and loses her prop without help, with brakes, or with rudder assistance; even at 210 kph touchdown.

 

Ideas?

Have you rewatched any tracks of your landings? They usually tell a lot about the reasons. As I am not a 190 pro though (mostly fly it on berloga without landing) I can't help you with the specifics. In general try to keep some rpm for propwash over the tail and push the rudder as soon as you notice a movement of the plane. (pick a cloud or a tree far away to focus on)

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

My search-fu, admittedly, isn't that great, but I have spent about 20 min trying to find tips on how to land this thing to no avail.

 

I can get her on the runway. It's not long after that she spins and loses her prop without help, with brakes, or with rudder assistance; even at 210 kph touchdown.

 

Ideas?

Your touchdown is WAY too fast. I approach at 220, flare around 185 just before the threshold, hold her off with the nose just above level to 170 then stall her onto the tarmac at 167 with the stick in my lap and nose high. The tail wheel lock is engaged by holding the stick fully aft. There should be no spinning if you hold the stick all the way back. Brakes are really good and should stop you in about a third of the runway from 167 at touchdown. You don't even need to work the engine or rudder if you are lazy about it.

Edited January 4, 2017 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[Finkeren]

Only anecdotes, you know. Where is the evidence? Next time this situation occurs press your record button then we all can enjoy this ace and the capabilities of the 190. Or even better take the 190 and demonstrate us it's possibilities. Should be no problem to record one when it's such an outstanding plane.

I had a recording from last year of me getting my ass handed to me by HerrMurf. Unfortunately that no longer works. Will make sure to record the next time I meet a crack 190 pilot.

 

Note: I'm not saying the Fw 190 in this sim is outstanding and I'm definitely not saying, that its FM and performance is just right, I personally look forward to the changes.

 

What I'm saying is, that it's foolish to claim, that the 190 is completely useless as a fighter and that noone can do anything with it offensively, that's just plain false.

 

Personally I can't fly the Fw 190 worth a damn, in my hands it's just as pathetic as the P-40. But there are people who master it and can take on Yaks on even terms.