Is it possible to survive such a crash?

[Sogamg]

Hello to everyone!!!
I recently bought IL-2 BoS and I love it.
I played hundrends maybe thousands of hours IL-2 1946.
One thing that I like is that not every plane that crashes explodes.I am not a big fan of Michael Bay movies.  
I think that not exploding seems more realistic.
So here comes my question.
This AI pilot is going down.He hits the trees behind him and the plane hits the ground with a spin,hard.
Is it possible to survive such a crash?
 

[Finkeren]

Pilot was probably wounded (wouldn't be visible from outside)

 

But yeah, it might well be survivable. The extent of damage to the airframe doesn't say much about how survivable the crash is.

 

Both pilot and passenger on this plane survived with minor injuries:

 

 

The main factors that determine if a crash is survivable is the relative speed on impact, whether the pilot becomes trapped and whether fire breaks out.

 

Since the plane hit the trees, that will have slowed it down before impact with the ground making the crash more survivable despite the heavy damage to the plane.

[Sogamg]

Thanks for your answer Finkeren!!!
Seems amazing that there were survivors from the crash you posted.

[wtornado]

Pilot was probably wounded (wouldn't be visible from outside)

 

But yeah, it might well be survivable. The extent of damage to the airframe doesn't say much about how survivable the crash is.

 

Both pilot and passenger on this plane survived with minor injuries:

 

 

The main factors that determine if a crash is survivable is the relative speed on impact, whether the pilot becomes trapped and whether fire breaks out.

 

Since the plane hit the trees, that will have slowed it down before impact with the ground making the crash more survivable despite the heavy damage to the plane.

Must of stained their underwear though must of been terrifying.

[unreasonable]

I think that flipping over and getting squashed or trapped, or going in steeply and driving the engine through the pilot would be the main killers: in your case (like Fink's photo) it looks like you came in fairly flat so the pilot is not subjected to killing G forces and stay upright as you lose energy through spinning: so definitely survivable. Uncomfortable though.  

Edited January 2, 2017 by unreasonable

[Finkeren]

Thanks for your answer Finkeren!!!

Seems amazing that there were survivors from the crash you posted.

As I said: The extent of damage to the airframe is not always a good indication of the survivability of the crash - except of course damage to the crew compartment(s).

 

It really doesn't take that much force to pull an aircraft apart if it is applied in a way the aircraft isn't designed to take, so an aircraft may appear completely wrecked, but in reality it hasn't been subjected to forces powerful enough to kill the crew.

Edited January 2, 2017 by Finkeren

[Lusekofte]

A stewardess survived a fall from 30 000 feet in the tail of a airliner. I heard similar story about a tail gunner . You can survive anything, it is not the speed that kills you, it is the way you stop

[Finkeren]

In the sim (and to some extent in real life) there are three basic things you can do to maximize your chance of survival in an inevitable crash (You should of course always bail out if at all possible)

 

1. Limit the speed of impact as much as possible. If the aircraft remains in any way controllable, try to force the nose upwards, but not too much too early. If the aircraft is not controllable try to cause as much drag as possible by lowering flaps, landing gear (don't do that IRL!) and turning off the engine.

 

2. Try to make the angle of impact as shallow as possible. The shallower the angle the less of the kinetic energy of the aircraft will be transformed to destruction immediately upon impact. A crash going at 400km/h may sometimes be survivable, if the angle is shallow enough and the ground even, while a crash at 50km/h is lethal, if you dive nose-first vertically into the ground.

 

3. Try to land in a safe space if possible. If you have some control of where you land. Make sure, there are no large objects such as buildings to slide into and that the ground is even. It is preferable to crash on a downward slope, because it decreases the angle of impact further. In the sim, it is actually fairly safe to crash in a forest (I wouldn't recommend doing that IRL though it's probably not quite as deadly as it was in the original IL-2) The branches will tear your plane limb from limb but will help to slow you down and only in the rare event that you crash directly into a tree trunk will it downright kill you.

[J2_Jakob]

A stewardess survived a fall from 30 000 feet in the tail of a airliner.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vesna_Vulovi%C4%87

[EisenWaffel]

I've survived the most insane crashes imaginable, crashes that should not have been survived, the human model could be a little weaker in this area.

[unreasonable]

I've survived the most insane crashes imaginable, crashes that should not have been survived, the human model could be a little weaker in this area.

 

I think that just reflects that the game does not differentiate well between:

 

1) Walking away unscathed, and

 

2) Carried away on a stretcher with multiple fractures and internal organ damage: but not dead!

 

The old RB3D used to do this better in SP career mode, a crash could lead to death, survival but crippling injuries meaning that for you the war is over, a hospital visit of variable length, or back in action the next day once you rejoin your unit. More or less random there I think: RoF Career does this too although less well. 

 

This really should be in the new BoX career mode: ideally it would be random but scaled to the gs at which you decelerate and whether you end up sunny side up or easy over.

 

In MP all that anyone cares about is kill credit, so anything more that a binary condition is wasted on these deplorables.  

[ShamrockOneFive]

I've survived the most insane crashes imaginable, crashes that should not have been survived, the human model could be a little weaker in this area.

 

There are plenty of examples of humans surviving the most insane crashes imaginable too. Like others have said... it just depends on how you stop and what happens after.

[216th_Jordan]

There are plenty of examples of humans surviving the most insane crashes imaginable too. Like others have said... it just depends on how you stop and what happens after.

Sure just sometimes my Il-2 goes in nose low 45° at 500kph and my plane stays intact. The system has some bugs

Also pretty sure that without a helmet you wohld be dead quite often in those steel tubs. Here you normally only die when your plane explodes. I like that feature though, as I guess nobody here likes do die

Edited January 7, 2017 by 216th_Jordan

[ShamrockOneFive]

Sure just sometimes my Il-2 goes in nose low 45° at 500kph and my plane stays intact. The system has some bugs

Also pretty sure that without a helmet you wohld be dead quite often in those steel tubs. Here you normally only die when your plane explodes. I like that feature though, as I guess nobody here likes do die

 

It's rare but yeah sometimes you go in and figure its all over and then you bounce a bit. I'm not sure if its a bug or not... but it seems a bit odd. It's rare. But it does occasionally happen.

[Lusekofte]

I remember one campaign I was flying in IL 2 . I think it was a dynamic one. I had survived over 30 missions on hard settings. I flew these missions with only 1 life , and if I died I restarted. Anyway I had landed my plane and taxied to parking lot and my wing hit a parked static plane and exploded. I was so angry, My personally record was 158 survived IL 2 missions where I died flying long distance and fell asleep for a sec and went into ground

Anyway, this is why the one thing that impressive most compared to any simulator is the DM in collisions. If you hit a tree on top = might be minor engine trouble, lost elevator or no harm at all. in middle = loss of wing or the tree absorb the impact by bending and soften up the whole experience , to see it is unique and unbelievable realism and complex. Hit it on the bottom of the tree the impact are hard. 

It might be bugged sometimes, but it is unique and fantastic, it has since the beginning impressed me, and I hope the dev´s do not mess with it.

 

Personally I think this sim allow the pilot to survive a lot as long as the plane slide after impact, I think it happened often I fell from altitude with forward speed and if the plane do not stop on impact I might survive. It might not be realistic, but not a deal breaker 

Edited January 7, 2017 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Finkeren]

As lusekofte said, it's definitely better than other sims with ghost trees and objects that will make your plane explode if you so much as touch it.

 

I also can't wait to try out the new career mode for a dead-is-dead nervewrecking experience.

 

It was the best way to play Rise Of Flight and will surely be great here as well.

[-=PHX=-SuperEtendard]

 

"A graphic example of what could happen to the careless ones when landing or taking off in the Bf-109G. Oberfeldwebel Alfred Müller, from 4./JG 27 somewhat shyly poses by the spectacular remains of his Gustav after a training accident at Fels am Wagram in June 1944. And Müller wasn't a rookie, having already scored 8 victories over allied aircraft before the accident. Later on he would double his victory list (which included 5 heavy bombers) before falling in action in August 16th, 1944"

 

 

[Finkeren]

 

"A graphic example of what could happen to the careless ones when landing or taking off in the Bf-109G. Oberfeldwebel Alfred Müller, from 4./JG 27 somewhat shyly poses by the spectacular remains of his Gustav after a training accident at Fels am Wagram in June 1944. And Müller wasn't a rookie, having already scored 8 victories over allied aircraft before the accident. Later on he would double his victory list (which included 5 heavy bombers) before falling in action in August 16th, 1944"

Perfect!

 

I think that's an open-and-shut case.

[Blitzen]

Looks like you very close to scoring in Lawn Darts!!!