Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Does anyone use 55 inches tv ( 4k ) as a monitor ? Right now i own the JS 9000 / 48 inches, i use it most of the time for pc gaming ( flight sim ) but i think to upgrade it to 55 inches ( Samsung KS 9090 ) The only think i'm worry is the dpi, 92 dpi - 48 inch vs 80 dpi - 55 inch I do not use it much for emails, text, web browsing, etc Would the letters / fonts / look way bigger on 55 inches, than 48 inches ? I mean all the ingame fonts, text, letters, etc Thank you and Happy New Year to everyone
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) Hi and happy new year to you too. I move from a 40" to a 55" both at 4K. I have the KS9500 and the initial wow factor ware out real quick if you do like me and don't do a proper due diligence. The bigger you go the better it is that a fact but you need to keep in track 2 things. First: The display lag that need to be low so you don't have a delay between your input and the aircraft controls or whatever. Here a good link with a nice database and tested units http://www.displaylag.com/testing-method/ Second: The response time aka motion blur, this is the time that a pixel change colors and back. It is calculated in millisecond from grey to grey the higher the number is the more motion blur you will have. This is the area where I miss my 40" 3ms response time. Lots of information and advise differ about what is best for game and flight sim. My current Samsung KS9500 score 17 ms that suppose to be OK but it's not. It is a perfect and beautiful TV if you cruise around but if I zoom on an aircraft it become blur and it make it difficult to id it. On my previous Philips 4K I could id friend of foe before anyone not anymore. I am in the market to change that and so far if you want to go for a 4 TV of that size only OLEG will do I am afraid here a good referance site http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks9500 o7 Edited January 1, 2017 by ATAG_dB
Lusekofte Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 To compare it to ordinary data screens 5 m/s is considered bad and 1 m/s the one you go for, witch in retrospective is nonsense since your eye cannot see the difference. Anyhow I think over 5m/s in a flightsim is pushing it. I do not have the hardware to cope with 4K , but when I do, I probably by a expensive 34 " rounded screen costing about 1500$ in Norway. It priced that high because of limited sales. But I think I will go for it due to limited space and instead of VR.
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 To compare it to ordinary data screens 5 m/s is considered bad and 1 m/s the one you go for, witch in retrospective is nonsense since your eye cannot see the difference. Anyhow I think over 5m/s in a flightsim is pushing it. I do not have the hardware to cope with 4K , but when I do, I probably by a expensive 34 " rounded screen costing about 1500$ in Norway. It priced that high because of limited sales. But I think I will go for it due to limited space and instead of VR. This one was my best and was fluid, smooth and beautiful for way cheaper https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SCX78JS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 I have no issues with JS9000 ( 48 inches ) regarding the inputlag / responde time But i do not play FPS games. So, you think OLED tv's are good for pc gaming ? I wouldn't think so. They have a very high inputlag
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) This one was my best and was fluid, smooth and beautiful for way cheaper https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00SCX78JS/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 I owned this Philips, in summer 2015, i didnt like it at allBlack crush, washed out colors, some banding effects, etc By the way, the contrast on my JS 9090 is 3700 On KS9500 is about 6300, more than Philips 4k monitor, which was, as I said, too dark How would you compare the contrast between the Philips monitor and the KS9500 ?? LE: by the way, between the two, JS9000 and KS 9500,is not a huge difference for input lag and response time Edited January 1, 2017 by Avyx
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I have no issues with JS9000 ( 48 inches ) regarding the inputlag / responde time But i do not play FPS games. So, you think OLED tv's are good for pc gaming ? I wouldn't think so. They have a very high inputlag I don't play FPS I only do flight sim. Yes you can play OLEG it's just a bit to pricey still I owned this Philips, in summer 2015, i didnt like it at all Black crush, washed out colors, some banding effects, etc By the way, the contrast on my JS 9090 is 3700 On KS9500 is about 6300, more than Philips 4k monitor, which was, as I said, too dark How would you compare the contrast between the Philips monitor and the KS9500 ?? The Phillips took me some time to calibrate the colors but once it was done I found it better then the KS9500 in game or PC mode I didn't bother the other mode since I use it only for gaming. Better but not by much I realy like the mat finish of the Phillips it gave me less reflection Edited January 1, 2017 by ATAG_dB
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I wonder why you have issues with KS9500, with response time and input lag My JS 9000 is almost the same with your and i couldn't notice anything Did you disable everything you don't need? If you do the right settings, it should be fine Edited January 1, 2017 by Avyx
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) I wonder why you have issues with KS9500, with response time and input lag My JS 9000 is almost the same with your and i couldn't notice anything Did you disable everything you don't need? If you do the right settings, it should be fine Of course everyone eye are different, some notice thing then other not. Perhaps the size of the image may amplify them. Try that for me. Next time you fly BoS if you see and aircraft low and far zoom on it. Does it move fluidly or it move cm by cm and is a little blur. When I had my Phillips at 3 ms I could instantaneously ID the plane the color and camouflage, If I took my time I could see the pilots head moving, not anymore. Edited January 1, 2017 by ATAG_dB
II/JG11_ATLAN_VR Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Ì use a LG 49LF6309 49er TV but Not 4k only fullhd 1980x1080 i am very satiesfield
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 49 " fullHD ? how do you like the picture quality ? Don't you see the pixels ? You right, ATAG_dB Everyone eye are different Anyway, how do you like the flight sim on 55 inches ? Except the inputlag, respons time, colors, etc How are the ingame fonts looking ? Aren't they too big ? And when you browse in internet, how is the text looking ?
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) It is AWESOME. Very very immersive. It also help the old fart like me to spot things If I only would have taken my time and read a bit more Edited January 1, 2017 by ATAG_dB
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 So, you do not see the pixels ? How far are you sitting back ?
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 So, you do not see the pixels ? How far are you sitting back ? Me?
II/JG11_ATLAN_VR Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 49 " fullHD ? how do you like the picture quality ? Don't you see the pixels ? No Pixel 1.5 up to 2m
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) same here and of course no pixel Edited January 1, 2017 by ATAG_dB
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 Does the option HDR helps, when using as a PC monitor ? What does this mean, High Dynamic Range ?!
CisTer-dB- Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Everything you use will slow down the response time. If you want a quick panel all the bling bling and processing have to be off. I don't fully understand HDR
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 Ok, but what about the image quality with HDR on or off?
Avyx Posted January 1, 2017 Author Posted January 1, 2017 (edited) What do you think about this one ? http://www.s21.com/samsung-ue55ks7500.htm I couldn't find some reviews on Rtings.com about Samsung KS7500 The input lag in game mode is 21 ms, the JS9090 is 23 ms, so they should be the same on input lag Samsung UE55KS7500 is cheaper than UE55KS9090 with about 900 euro Do you think that KS7500 would be the same or better than my JS9090 ?? Here is a review about JS9000 on rtings.com http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/js9000 Thank you LE : i'm very confused with Samsung KU vs KS Are they the same model ? Edited January 1, 2017 by Avyx
CisTer-dB- Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) The 9000 have a 1ms improvement from my 9500 for me it is not good if and IF like they say the 7500 is a 9000 wish for me doesn't look the same one is curve the other not KS9000 rings review http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks9000#comparison_199 KS7500 S21 review http://www.s21.com/samsung-ue55ks9000.htm See it very easy to get lost in information and a combination of internet search and shop visit is a must. For me the guys a rings are pro and don't lie, that doesn't mean that they don't make mistake. I always use there colors calibration settings, they know what they do but aren't gamer and their minimum performance guideline seem to be arbitrary, like in this http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/motion-blur-and-response-time it says that <20 ms is a good value, for me, after having it at 3ms, it's clearly not. Your TV seem to be better then that one. If I where you I would sit on it until something better come, like OLED at the right price, this one perhaps https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-OLED55C6P-Curved-55-Inch/dp/B01CDDTZMK. It have a good input lag 34 ms at 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 and no motion blur at all at 0.1ms response time Edited January 2, 2017 by ATAG_dB
unreasonable Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 I am still using my old 70 inch Sony after 10 years or so... one of the first ever buyers. Only 1080 p but hardly ever any fps issues with my overclocked 780. I sit with my eyes about 5 feet from the surface at the nearest point. I can just see pixels if the colour contrast is high, but they are hardly ever noticeable enough to be a distraction. Once in game, I stop noticing. Upgrading to 4K is on my planning list, but I am so used to this size that I need the same (or I have space for up to about 80 inches). Trouble is the early large 4K were locked at a refresh of 30 which is not enough. My Sony does 60, which is fine. I would rather have smooth 60 than a fluctuating fps, even if the average is higher. So I am nervous about getting this wrong, since I would have to upgrade my Nvidea as well. Could be an expensive experiment: time to cut the gf's allowance.
Avyx Posted January 2, 2017 Author Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) The 9000 have a 1ms improvement from my 9500 for me it is not good if and IF like they say the 7500 is a 9000 wish for me doesn't look the same one is curve the other not KS9000 rings review http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks9000#comparison_199 KS7500 S21 review http://www.s21.com/samsung-ue55ks9000.htm See it very easy to get lost in information and a combination of internet search and shop visit is a must. For me the guys a rings are pro and don't lie, that doesn't mean that they don't make mistake. I always use there colors calibration settings, they know what they do but aren't gamer and their minimum performance guideline seem to be arbitrary, like in this http://www.rtings.com/tv/tests/motion/motion-blur-and-response-time it says that <20 ms is a good value, for me, after having it at 3ms, it's clearly not. Your TV seem to be better then that one. If I where you I would sit on it until something better come, like OLED at the right price, this one perhaps https://www.amazon.com/LG-Electronics-OLED55C6P-Curved-55-Inch/dp/B01CDDTZMK. It have a good input lag 34 ms at 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 and no motion blur at all at 0.1ms response time Input lag 34 ms its way too much, if this would be 24-26 ms i would buy it right now Samsung JS9090 has 23,6 ms in Game Mode Edited January 2, 2017 by Avyx
CisTer-dB- Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 I got 37 ms on mine righ now and it is not noticable on a flight sim again I don't play FPS I am still using my old 70 inch Sony after 10 years or so... one of the first ever buyers. Only 1080 p but hardly ever any fps issues with my overclocked 780. I sit with my eyes about 5 feet from the surface at the nearest point. I can just see pixels if the colour contrast is high, but they are hardly ever noticeable enough to be a distraction. Once in game, I stop noticing. Upgrading to 4K is on my planning list, but I am so used to this size that I need the same (or I have space for up to about 80 inches). Trouble is the early large 4K were locked at a refresh of 30 which is not enough. My Sony does 60, which is fine. I would rather have smooth 60 than a fluctuating fps, even if the average is higher. So I am nervous about getting this wrong, since I would have to upgrade my Nvidea as well. Could be an expensive experiment: time to cut the gf's allowance. You have 4K at 60 hz right now even 120hz coming
Avyx Posted January 2, 2017 Author Posted January 2, 2017 ATAG_dB, i'm very confused now You said that you have the KS9500 Why 37 ms input lag ? Don't you use the game mode ? With game mode you should have 20 - 21 ms
CisTer-dB- Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) Yes but I use chroma 4.4.4 to see and spot contacts Btw I try without and I couldn't notice any diferance between 37 ms or 20 ms 4k @ 60Hz Show Help : 20.7 ms 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 Show Help : 37.2 ms 4k @ 60Hz + HDR Show Help : 20.6 ms 4k @ 60Hz @ 4:4:4 + HDR Show Help : 37.2 ms Edited January 2, 2017 by ATAG_dB
Avyx Posted January 2, 2017 Author Posted January 2, 2017 I can notice the difference between pc mode - 55, 8 ms and game mode - 23 ms As i said, if i have the possibility to test right now, 34 ms ( LG - OLED ) and if i wouldn't notice a difference between 23 ms and 34 ms, i will buy the LG
CisTer-dB- Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 You make me jealous now. I will stay put for you report sir
Avyx Posted January 2, 2017 Author Posted January 2, 2017 (edited) OLED's have a very good image quality, but the image retention could be an issue LE : Do you think, i will notice a difference between 11 ms response time - JS9000 and 16 ms - KS8500 / KS9000 ? As i said, i do play only flight sims, for about 98 % Edited January 2, 2017 by Avyx
unreasonable Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 I got 37 ms on mine righ now and it is not noticable on a flight sim again I don't play FPS You have 4K at 60 hz right now even 120hz coming 70 inches?
Dakpilot Posted January 2, 2017 Posted January 2, 2017 I don't believe there are any currently available TV's at 120hz at 4K You would need a pretty good GPU setup to get 120fps at 4K and a decent computer however most, ( if not all recent ones) 4K tv's will do 60hz FullRGB/444chroma there are many examples 70''+ Cheers Dakpilot
Avyx Posted January 3, 2017 Author Posted January 3, 2017 I wonder how is the image quality on KS7500 vs KS9000 / JS9000 KS7500 is about 600 euro cheaper than KS9000
unreasonable Posted January 3, 2017 Posted January 3, 2017 I don't believe there are any currently available TV's at 120hz at 4K You would need a pretty good GPU setup to get 120fps at 4K and a decent computer however most, ( if not all recent ones) 4K tv's will do 60hz FullRGB/444chroma there are many examples 70''+ Cheers Dakpilot 60hz is fine for me - and I think doable at 4K, since it is almost time to upgrade my graphics card and people are reporting good results. Unfortunately I have not seen any I can source locally at 70-80" and 60hz, and import taxes/intl.delivery are prohibitive but if they are available stateside they will get here eventually so I will keep a look out. Thanks for info.
CisTer-dB- Posted January 3, 2017 Posted January 3, 2017 (edited) 70 inches? http://www.displaylag.com/display-database/ Yes, some I don't believe there are any currently available TV's at 120hz at 4K You would need a pretty good GPU setup to get 120fps at 4K and a decent computer however most, ( if not all recent ones) 4K tv's will do 60hz FullRGB/444chroma there are many examples 70''+ Cheers Dakpilot A GTX 1080 will I am averaging more then that with BoS with the dx11 Edited January 3, 2017 by ATAG_dB 1
unreasonable Posted January 3, 2017 Posted January 3, 2017 @ATAG thanks for heads up, I will start to look for these. Time to raid the piggy-bank.
ACG_Invictus Posted January 3, 2017 Posted January 3, 2017 Have you considered a large Korean 4K monitor like the Wasabi Mango UHD43 or UHD55?
Avyx Posted January 3, 2017 Author Posted January 3, 2017 No, because of the shipping costs, warranty, etc If i could find one here in Germany, yes
Dakpilot Posted January 3, 2017 Posted January 3, 2017 I have been getting very decent performance since upgrade of DX11 with GTX970 at 4K A GTX 1080 will I am averaging more then that with BoS with the dx11 Are you averaging more than 120fps at 4K with a GTX1080? sounds great Cheers, Dakpilot
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