Landing gear or flaps and other damage?

[SCG_motoadve]

Are there landing gear failures after being shot at?

So far I always been able to lower flaps and gear in a damaged airplane.

In some ocassions those might be damaged.

 

Has anyone had a gear or flaps failure after been shot at?

Or an stuck gear in the middle of going down.

 

Any examples of some failures after being shot at (we all know the tipycal radiators, fuel tank and engine or surfaces)

[216th_Jordan]

Definately! Once on landing a flap ripped off my Yak-1 and I inverted immediately. I had been hit about 10 minutes earlier and was happily going home with my victories..well until then. That was incredible, sadly the track does not work anymore.

 

Just 2 days ago I got hit in the Il-2 and my gear came down as the hydraulic system seems to have been hit. I had it some times that one of my gears would not come down completely or that it was blown off in flight.

Edited December 25, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[Mmaruda]

I can't remember the last time it happened to me, but it did happen definitely.

 

What interests me the most is how hydraulics damage is handled in the P-40 - the plane has this weird backup "manual" hydraulic pump, not sure if this is modelled (but it would be orgasmic, if it was).

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Had 1 Wheel/landing strut Blown off my Stuka Along with Half my Elevator

[ShamrockOneFive]

One time when I was shooting a Pe-2 I saw the gear and door blow clean off of the engine nacelle. It was dramatic!

[216th_Peterla]

Yes. I mostly fly IL2 so this are the issues I've found:

-Landing gear damaged during take off. One Landing Gear strut stays locked down and don't come up. This was due to a very heavy take off and raising the opposite wing of the damaged strut.

-Parts missing due to enemy fire: Wheels, doors, whole L/G itself.

I can't recall properly but I remember some hydraulic malfunction not locking down the L//G and end up sliding around the runway but this could be human error so don't put it in the list for now.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I remember one time returning from a flight in Bf 110,I opened the gear bays and the wheel of the right gear simply fell out of the bay while the leg of the gear looked intact and did what it should,only the wheel was missing!Never saw that again!

 

That is so cool! I love those moments in a flight simulator! (Lesso in real life no doubt)

[Dakpilot]

I remember long ago in original IL-2 when a mod was introduced for landing gear damage, allowing the gear to hang out with damage, at the time it was quite an exciting feature

 

What I apreciate in BoS is that many of these damage features do not happen too often, as occasionally did in old IL-2 (certainly not knocking the guys who created that mod though, what they achieved was very clever within the confines of the code  )

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[-TBC-AeroAce]

TBH I have been damaged and shot down too many times to count since the initial release of this game but I cant remember ever being shot up and the gear not working!

 

The only damage I have ever received to my gear is on take off and landing! I defo cant think of a case of where I got shot up and the gear popped open or flew off!

 

Maybe I have been lucky/unlucky (I cant decide) to have this not happen to me.

 

PS with the Stuka or external gear aircraft; that is different to retractable gear so I dont think it really counts

Edited December 29, 2016 by AeroAce

[Lusekofte]

But can you lower the gear without engine running on real planes ? same goes for flaps. In this game you can operate flaps and gear while engine is off. I also react that in all planes you can retract the gear when engine is off and you are on the ground. I have not tested the german planes on this just Russian

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

Flying with some of my squadron, I have this reputation of always getting hit by flak but most of the time, nobody else does.

I got hit in a Pe-2, sprung a fuel leak and headed home due to us not even halfway to the objective.

Come in for nice landing, looking great on final.  Air speed is good, flaps are down a bit, go to put my gear down.....nothing.

Made a good belly landing though.  So to answer your question, there are definitely landing gear failures from damage.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Inclusion of the "feature" has never been mentioned in a DD/update feature list so I'm not convinced it exists.

 

I've never, ever witnessed it in 400hrs of flight time.

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/18417-pneumatic-gear-failure/?do=findComment&comment=289081

 

[Scojo]

In the video "The joy of fighting together", posted in a Screenshots and Videos thread with the same name by SvAF/F19_Tomten, you can see a Pe's wheel fall out of the landing gear bay after being hit by flak.

 

(The video link is set to the time the wheel falls out)

 

I haven't ever experienced landing gear failure, but I've only ever returned home with damage once in my short flight time in BoS. I usually have to crash land or bail. Some of the times I landed in a field with landing gear down, I would have a very rough landing. Maybe some of these landings were due to damaged undercarriages, but I never bothered to check.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Scojo

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

you can see a Pe's wheel fall out of the landing gear bay after being hit by flak.

 

-snip-

 

I'm certainly not questioning the existence of a component-level damage model, however, I am contesting the existence of pneumatic/hydraulic failures that would cause dropped landing gear, jammed landing gear, locked landing gear, etc.

Edited December 29, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[SCG_motoadve]

Would be nice to have this feature in the future.

[216th_Jordan]

I'm certainly not questioning the existence of a component-level damage model, however, I am contesting the existence of pneumatic/hydraulic failures that would cause dropped landing gear, jammed landing gear, locked landing gear, etc.

 

While not officially stated there are videos on yt which show planes dropping gears after damage (I remember a 109 video at least). It did not come down immeadiately and looked like system failure. I might be wrong though.

Edited December 29, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[E69_geramos109]

Has someone notice flap damage on the yak1 by combat damage? I mean, the yak1 flaps are pneumatic so they need an air circuit to operate so if you hit that point you can not open the flaps. But i never notice a situation where they hit me and i could not use the flaps.

[Scojo]

I'm certainly not questioning the existence of a component-level damage model, however, I am contesting the existence of pneumatic/hydraulic failures that would cause dropped landing gear, jammed landing gear, locked landing gear, etc.

I wasn't replying to your post. It was just a post for the thread in general. I see your point though

[Matt]

Damage to the hydraulic, pneumatic or electronic systems is not modelled yet.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Damage to the hydraulic, pneumatic or electronic systems is not modelled yet.

 

A sincere thanks for reconfirming this. 

[Dakpilot]

Damage to the hydraulic, pneumatic or electronic systems is not modelled yet.

 

Are you able to confirm that mechanical damage (assume to mechanical uplocks) can make a wheel/undercarriage leg drop/deploy on aircraft where gear lever would be in neutral position, and not held up by positive hydraulic or pneumatic pressure.

 

Although rare, I am sure I have seen this happen, but now I am doubting myself 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[216th_Jordan]

Are you able to confirm that mechanical damage (assume to mechanical uplocks) can make a wheel/undercarriage leg drop/deploy on aircraft where gear lever would be in neutral position, and not held up by positive hydraulic or pneumatic pressure.

 

Although rare, I am sure I have seen this happen, but now I am doubting myself 

 

Cheers Dakpilot

 

I did see that too. In the days of BOS early access with the old DM (much weaker planes) it was happening some times on the 109 at least. It might be mechanical damage.

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

Can the wheels get pierced and emptied? I have never seen that. Pretty common in DCS: A-10C and should happen also in Il-2 which has also its wheels exposed.

[Matt]

 

 

Are you able to confirm that mechanical damage (assume to mechanical uplocks) can make a wheel/undercarriage leg drop/deploy on aircraft where gear lever would be in neutral position, and not held up by positive hydraulic or pneumatic pressure.

 

I've never ever seen that in the past 3 years. So while i can't confirm that it's not modelled, i highly doubt that it is.

 

 

 

Can the wheels get pierced and emptied? I have never seen that.

I've never seen that either.

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

Then I'm guessing my gear was completely gone from damage?  No other explanation as to why after getting hit by flak, my gear was not working.

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

In the video "The joy of fighting together", posted in a Screenshots and Videos thread with the same name by SvAF/F19_Tomten, you can see a Pe's wheel fall out of the landing gear bay after being hit by flak.

 

(The video link is set to the time the wheel falls out)

 

I haven't ever experienced landing gear failure, but I've only ever returned home with damage once in my short flight time in BoS. I usually have to crash land or bail. Some of the times I landed in a field with landing gear down, I would have a very rough landing. Maybe some of these landings were due to damaged undercarriages, but I never bothered to check.

 

Very nice to see someone link my video! Though one link is faulty, but I think I know what section you mean. Also at 8:08 you can see the whole thing getting blown off a MC 202 by gunfire.

[216th_Peterla]

I took off today in my IL2 on WOL and had a "jump" during take off. When on the air I pull the L/G lever and go for the mission. I realized that my L/G lights where not red not green, so the landing gear was damaged. I decided to come back and land and the gear was not locked, so when I landed the left strut collapsed.

Maybe the hydraulic damage is not modelled but the mechanical(L/G uplocks) it is.