Go to steam und give CloD a positive review!

[JG4_Sputnik]

I've noticed that CloD has just a "mixed" review on Steam - now I think it would help "our cause" (as a simming-community) to upvote CLoD as well, even more now that 1C is going to further support the product. It would be a nice gesture and maybe get more people to buy it.

 

Now BoS and CloD people are "one heart and one soul" again we should be focusing on working together for an even brighter future for our hobby.

 

Go to http://store.steampowered.com/app/63970/ and help the TF guys and appreciate their work.

 

You even can change your review (in case you gave a bad review when it came out).

 

Thanks and merry X-mas!

 

[BOO]

There's also a continual need to counter posters who clearly dont own the game but "read something somewhere" and posters who dont own a brain, taking their own idiocy and ineptitude at using a PC out on something that has nothing to do with the game itself. 

 

Same applies to BOS too so spread the love and gospel wide!!

 

Regards

 

BOO

[Cheebs]

Once they release an update that makes it playable on windows 10 I definitely will.

[Blooddawn1942]

Done 5  years ago...

[Yogiflight]

Cheebs, I don't understand, what you mean. I can play CloD with Windows 10, without any problems. No difference to Windows 7, I had before, I downloaded the Windows 10 patch of TF, a few weeks ago and it runs.

[Beazil]

Simply follow the guide on the ATAG site, and you should be good to go - after downloading the game from steam and letting it update that is.

[Lusekofte]

Once they release an update that makes it playable on windows 10 I definitely will.

 

 

This is possible right now 

[Cheebs]

I know there is a patch to make it work, but for new players that download it via steam and the first thing they have to do is lookup why it isn't working, downloading and installing a patch outside of steam, it's a bit annoying. It should be playable from the get-go with no extra steps if being sold on steam. I'm just thinking of first impressions and new player reviews- making it easier to get flying once you've purchased can only help the reviews.

 

Surely I wasn't the only one that got annoyed when after purchasing it from steam and attempting to start it nothing happened.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Remember when myself and others castigated Jason and 777 when they asked us to go out and give positive reviews?

 

Curious. 

[BOO]

I know there is a patch to make it work, but for new players that download it via steam and the first thing they have to do is lookup why it isn't working, downloading and installing a patch outside of steam, it's a bit annoying. It should be playable from the get-go with no extra steps if being sold on steam. I'm just thinking of first impressions and new player reviews- making it easier to get flying once you've purchased can only help the reviews.

 

Surely I wasn't the only one that got annoyed when after purchasing it from steam and attempting to start it nothing happened.

Im quite sure that you wernt the only one Cheebs!! Oddly I downloaded CLOD after reading up on it but thats only because i came back to simming after a break and remembered the furor over the original release. 

 

For a new player I do think the current patching situation is not good but its unavoidable and not the fault of anyone here or at TF. We have to remember many people are not very tech savvy and just and to get in the game so the frustration is understandable and lack of obvious info on steam is a problem. . That said, via ATAG you do have one of the easiest and most helpful forums at you disposal so that does go a long way toward stuff  IF and this is the big IF, you feel comfortable going on forums. Many dont. To many its an alien world. And we should remember that.

 

Soon that will be history anyway and the steam version will be patched and work from the get go. 

 

Once it is in that stage, I think then is time set rating records straight yet again.

 

Regards

 

BOO

[The-Mysteron]

Yes it will soon be patchable on Steam good news I think

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Surely I wasn't the only one that got annoyed when after purchasing it from steam and attempting to start it nothing happened.

 

When I bought COD it was the first day, I had waited 4 years for it. Just sitting in the 110 pit made me happy. After a while I got fed up with all the bugs.

Long time it went before I learned about TF patches, after that I was just grateful for everything that did work. Not thinking about those things that did not.

In that time we had only old IL 2 and COD.

I miss squad flying in COD, I really do 

[ACG_Invictus]

Remember when myself and others castigated Jason and 777 when they asked us to go out and give positive reviews?

 

Curious. 

I've bolded the key word in your paragraph. Why is this curious? There is nothing wrong at all with asking people to give good reviews if they are happy with your product / service. You are free to do so or not depending on your experience and opinion.

[JG4_Sputnik]

I just brought thisto attention because I noticed that a lot of games I regularly play (mainly from small developers) I never gave them a review - but for the steam ecosystem it's quite important for the devs to get positive reviews. So I went through my list and reviewed every game I liked.

 

It's hard for niche products these days to be visible on steam and to get recognized (50% percent of ALL STEAM GAMES, more than 2000, came out in 2016, imagine that!).

 

So I figured that maybe some of you play/plaeyd CloD and never thought to give a review because you weren't aware of the fact how important this is for guys like TF and 1C. 

So do it!

Cheers

[wtornado]

That is all going to change with the new agreement between 1CGS and TF SIMULATIONS.

 

It will soon be patched up in Steam.

 

A bunch of goodies will be available in 2017 too.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

It's hard for niche products these days to be visible on steam and to get recognize

 

-snip-

 

you weren't aware of the fact how important this is for guys like TF and 1C. 

 

-snip-

 

It was the same way a couple of years ago with a certain "opposing" flight sim community doing everything it could to slander the newer product that they took issue with.

 

Oh, the irony. 

[Willy__]

 

 

It was the same way a couple of years ago with a certain "opposing" flight sim community doing everything it could to slander the newer product that they took issue with.   Oh, the irony. 

 

Yep. Makes me want to go to steam and give a bad review on clod. Funny how the situation changed 180 degress... anyways... 

[71st_AH_Hooves]

Ill give it its fair review when it a actually has NEW content in a STEAM release. TF kept it alive, if I were to rate them, I'd for sure give them a 10. But to put a positive review on a steam game that requirs a mod to even run properly is both dishonest and cheeky.

 

All in due time. If the new release is good, it will get good reviews. Simple as that.

 

Hooves

Edited December 27, 2016 by [TWB]Hooves

[Sokol1]

I can say that know well CloD issues, include find the reason of some of their "bugs"   - just for fun I have the disastrous release version running in Windows XP with reasonable success, in that "hell days"  - but I think post unrealistic reviews on STEAM or anywhere will no help anyone.

 

The reviews there reflect realities - is problematic, specially now in Windows 10 install the game for most of their typical "new players", that is most elderly people returning to CFS, just want flying a Spitfire. As well install the few new 3rd part missions available (is not click and forget). I know because I use answers their question in related forums.

 

Better await the 4.13 version integrated in STEAM to do "reviews". 

 

As side note - recently I give  briefly explanations for a friend install CloD and TF patches - in their sub-par Laptop - and 15 minutes latter he call back reporting success in 1st trial, but we are used to deal with games install.  

 

[Lusekofte]

Yep. Makes me want to go to steam and give a bad review on clod. Funny how the situation changed 180 degress... anyways... 

 

Yes they did, just the few people we like to remember. Same here now, just a few, 3 if I counted correctly. There is no reason for you to take a moral stand here when it comes to how many flying . They beat BOX  in active flyers online still, weekends is full over there

Edited December 27, 2016 by 216th_LuseKofte

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Yes they did, just the few people we like to remember. Same here now, just a few, 3 if I counted correctly. There is no reason for you to take a moral stand here when it comes to how many flying . They beat BOX  in active flyers online still, weekends is full over there

 

A moral stand?

 

I'm just pointing out the comedic irony of asking for positive reviews.

[Lusekofte]

It was a suggestion made by one, not a begging from a community

[AndyJWest]

I've got to agree with Sokol here: positive reviews on Steam can wait until the game can be run without having to download mods from TF/ATAG. This may be acceptable to dedicated air combat simmers, but isn't what is expected by most gamers. And the dedicated simmers won't be reading Steam reviews. They already know the situation, and don't need premature hype.

Edited December 27, 2016 by AndyJWest

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

It was a suggestion made by one, not a begging from a community

 

That's an interestingly revisionist outlook on what happened.

 

A suggestion was made by a one Jason Williams to give objective reviews of his product to mediate the couple of hundred consumers of another flight sim who completely went out of their way to try to smear his team's product in to oblivion.

 

Even more ironically, that same Jason Williams and a select few others clearly went to bat for those couple of hundred anti-consumers so that their precious sim could receive some degree of "official" support from the studio which originally abandoned the project at Ubi's behest.

 

There is a lot of irony for the people who were so against the BOS project to the point that they did everything in their power to try to smear the project, bust the product, bankrupt the studio and kill whatever hope there was for the genre to come here and "suggest" we leave good reviews for the benefit of their future success.

 

That's simply all there is to it. 

Edited December 27, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

It is a tough nut. The concerted effort to destroy BoS was ugly but Jason has asked us to welcome everyone back to the family. I will do that but I'll leave a CloD review once the fully patched version is available as a single merged release and I'll review it objectively as I have BoX continuously. We started in the 7's over here and are brushing up against a 9 now BTW. "Asking," for reviews is a dangerous business even with the best of intentions. A better way, perhaps, would be to pose it as a question. "CloD is really good now. Have you posted a review on Steam?" Far less manipulative in the way it feels for most I'd think. You know, for the release.

 

Welcome aboard TF. I'll give you a fair shot, promise.

[Lusekofte]

this suggestion about reviewing cod is made by one , not the cod community. There is no irony, you only wish for it. Your revenge is not happening

I did defend BOS brand in COD sites last time, I did not stir to battle in BOS forum as is happening now. You are criticising people for the same stuff you are doing now. What a irony

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

this suggestion about reviewing cod is made by one , not the cod community. There is no irony, you only wish for it. Your revenge is not happening

I did defend BOS brand in COD sites last time, I did not stir to battle in BOS forum as is happening now. You are criticising people for the same stuff you are doing now. What a irony

 

My revenge? What are you going on about? 

[Lusekofte]

You are saying the COD community are begging for your support and review, when there is one man flying both simulators suggesting it. And you say what a irony and compare it to what happened years ago. It really smell revenge old boy, but I am sorry. "the other side" haven't even noticed this fuzz

Edited December 27, 2016 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Danziger]

I just started getting into clod and I really like it. However I also think it would be better to wait until the official re-release to leave a review. My review of the current steam version of the game would not be good. I think the TFS version is great and when that becomes the official version I will give the good review it deserves.

[Feathered_IV]

My own opinion of the current game is still "mixed" so I don't think it would be right for me to leave a false review.  If the welcome news of the continued development results in a significantly better product, then I will happily leave as accurate a review of it as I can make.

[JG4_Sputnik]

Ill give it its fair review when it a actually has NEW content in a STEAM release. TF kept it alive, if I were to rate them, I'd for sure give them a 10. But to put a positive review on a steam game that requirs a mod to even run properly is both dishonest and cheeky.

 

All in due time. If the new release is good, it will get good reviews. Simple as that.

 

Hooves

 

 

My own opinion of the current game is still "mixed" so I don't think it would be right for me to leave a false review.  If the welcome news of the continued development results in a significantly better product, then I will happily leave as accurate a review of it as I can make.

 

 

Fair enough. That's the only thing I suggested. I don't want people to give unrealistic reviews. I want people who like the product consider to give a review at all.

 

It was the same way a couple of years ago with a certain "opposing" flight sim community doing everything it could to slander the newer product that they took issue with.

 

Oh, the irony.  

 

I have nothing to do with that.

 

I'm just pointing out the comedic irony of asking for positive reviews.

 

I have nothing to do with those people who wanted to trash a product... You read too much into my post. I just want to help to (re) unite the community and spread the awareness that both sims can co-exist and if they thrive we all benefit from it. 

Very basic and simple.

And to make you happy - it didn't work anyway.

[Lusekofte]

 

 

My own opinion of the current game is still "mixed" so I don't think it would be right for me to leave a false review. 

 

This is the way to do it, I do not have a mixed feeling about COD myself, but I do understand those who have. I flew this sim so much that I got fed up. If it had not been for BOS I probably would not flown this genre anymore. But BOS kept me flying long enough for trying out DCS witch I owned for years but never flew. And now I am slowly migrating back to COD. This is why many options are important. It is a safety net to keep people staying in this hobby. It is vital to get people into CFS and get them to stay.

[SquashmanMikeEH]

I have always liked CoD. The colour and lighting seems to me very realistic and I welcome any attempts to improve the game.

 

On the down side, I think actual combat is very difficult especially for new people coming to the game.

 

The controls are very "twitchy" making aiming and shooting very hard - too hard maybe for some steam newbies.

 

The cockpit experience is not the best - far too sensitive especially with trackIR - too much bouncing up and down - and perhaps not

 

realistic - admittedly I have never flown a Spitfire or Messerschmit in real life, but I can't believe that they had such jittery controls.  

 

Maybe Team Fusion would sell to more new people if the aircraft were more "user friendly"

[Dutch2]

On the down side, I think actual combat is very difficult especially for new people coming to the game.

 

The controls are very "twitchy" making aiming and shooting very hard - too hard maybe for some steam newbies.

 

Maybe Team Fusion would sell to more new people if the aircraft were more "user friendly"

Think you are right on this, I image that all those World of warplane and Warthunder pilots, are smashing the game mouse or gamepad into the corner when trying to fly.

 

Did try it this morning and indeed it looks good, but also for me I still have a lot to learn.

Edited December 30, 2017 by Dutch2

[BOO]

I have always liked CoD. The colour and lighting seems to me very realistic and I welcome any attempts to improve the game.

 

On the down side, I think actual combat is very difficult especially for new people coming to the game.

 

The controls are very "twitchy" making aiming and shooting very hard - too hard maybe for some steam newbies.

 

The cockpit experience is not the best - far too sensitive especially with trackIR - too much bouncing up and down - and perhaps not

 

realistic - admittedly I have never flown a Spitfire or Messerschmit in real life, but I can't believe that they had such jittery controls.  

 

Maybe Team Fusion would sell to more new people if the aircraft were more "user friendly"

 

Have you tried altering the sensitivity for the controls and setting up your Track IR to suit (or downloading one of the TIR profiles from the ATAG site)?. I find neither  a problem in Clod.

[354thFG_Leifr]

Cliffs deserves the "Mixed" review that it currently has. It has a lot of positive things going for it, especially when placed against BoX/DCS, that must be applauded. It should not be said though that it is without flaw; there are a myriad of issues with Cliffs, many of them long withstanding some form of fix from Team Fusion (notably AI).

 

It smacks a little of shillwork when one is asking for positive reviews instead of providing a balanced and informed review. It's no surprise that many of the positive reviews are coming from Team Fusion and ATAG members where the echo-chamber is loudest.

 

The biggest hurdle, in my opinion, for Cliffs will be the coming year and the eventual TF5 update. If Team Fusion can continually fix the smaller (and maybe some larger) issues over the coming year through Steam and release a solid North Africa update, I'll be more inclined to provide a positive review. I mean, we're all suckers for buying in to the original Cliffs, what's another year of wait?

Edited December 30, 2017 by Leifr

[Lusekofte]

I find COD as is in a much better state than DCS, You got to take in consideration on what is delivered and what is end product. To be fair COD had many of its bug fixed, and  there is a fair share of hope it will continued to be fixed. When it comes to DCS it seems to be half way finnished in all timeperiods it got modules for, if that much.

When it comes to BOS I have been and many with me very impressed by the way it is runned. Every aspects of the game have been renewed and fixed , not one fault stay unfixed , and all one can say against it is if it suit you or not . 

This is why you never should compare these 3. It is not the quality that make people choose , it is the taste of gameplay . And this make  a huge difference when it comes to how people judge a  game.

[4thFGhuddscudd]

You are not a simmer if you would not recommend this game to your simmer friends.  I mean, just because you are a baddy, you do NOT have be a saddy on the reviews.  It takes a lot for me to write neg reviews, I saw one jackass pilot on there crybabing about high fidelity.  Real pilots seem to be the worst critics, and the best paradoxically.  I would know   Fusion, I mean these guys are killing it!!  Sim is wicked on full real, go fly the awesome campaign at warbirdsofprey.us This is the real deal, this is our finest hour. 

 

Favorite feature so far is the Autopilot! I play so much more when I can let my bot fly it while I 'film'.  We could give our AI bot a personality(radio) and a flying style via settings ------omg     I am using the AI bot as an instructor pilot currently, watching how he operates the craft, I am getting sick of the head shake and the AI has a much easier time with engine management.  Take a spit up and watch the AI bot WORK it.  I have seen some really great flying by the AI as well - the best part is they make mistakes and will auger in sometimes, more like humans.