For those who believe you can't dogfight with the 109

[Geleitzug]

Had an unbelievable experience last Sunday on WoL - while taking of my 109E-7 I realized that I forgot to lock my tail wheel, and in consequence the bird started to swing off from the runway... However, I could manage to get it back on track but unfortunately couldn't avoid to tip the left and right wing on the ground for a moment with these manouvers - anyway, on the first glance they looked ok, so I decided to continue my flight until all over sudden the left aileron broke and flew away.

On my way back to the airfield I recognized that it was just attacked by enemy planes and some seconds later I got an I-16 in my gunsight, fired some MG shots on it (was too far away for the FF though) and subsequently it immediately started to turn. Despite my left aileron missing I decided to get in the dogfight (what the hell !) and tried to follow the I-16's turns as good as possible - until my right aileron broke as well and I could only use my rudders for turning any longer. However, and don't ask me how, I could manage to get in the 6 of the Rata and burst some canon fire on it. Immediately after it saw the black contrail behind it and seconds later it must have hit the ground (couldn't see it but later saw the kill in the stats). It was really difficult to get my bird landed without having ailerons any longer but somehow I managed and got the points !

 

I know it was for sure more luck than anything else, but who would have believed that a Rata can be outturned by an Emil without ailerons ?!

Edited December 20, 2016 by Geleitzug

[BlitzPig_EL]

Well, that would not have happened in the real world, but still, good job on your part for fighting what was left of your aircraft!

[216th_Jordan]

Well, that would not have happened in the real world, but still, good job on your part for fighting what was left of your aircraft!

 

Why not? Planes have landed intact with no control over any of the control surfaces.

Edited December 20, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[BlitzPig_EL]

Yes, but that is the exception that always gets the "air time".

 

We do not fight for our lives in the game.  A real pilot in the real war was very much aware of his own mortality and having lost both ailerons would never have accepted combat with an intact enemy.   This is what gamers do, not real pilots.

Any real pilot would have either bailed out or tried to get his aircraft down safe, if possible, especially in an aircraft that in the real deal was as hard to land as a 109.

[Geleitzug]

Yes, but that is the exception that always gets the "air time".

 

We do not fight for our lives in the game.  A real pilot in the real war was very much aware of his own mortality and having lost both ailerons would never have accepted combat with an intact enemy.   This is what gamers do, not real pilots.

Any real pilot would have either bailed out or tried to get his aircraft down safe, if possible, especially in an aircraft that in the real deal was as hard to land as a 109.

 

I fully agree with you - actually in real life I would have never continued to take off knowing that the wings had just hit the ground while swerving along the runway...

Edited December 20, 2016 by Geleitzug

[HR_Zunzun]

I fully agree on that - in real life I would have never continued to take off knowing that the wings had just hit the ground while swerving along the runway...

In IL2 I not longer take off if I hit the ground with the wing tip. That happened to me too and knowing it I prefer to abort and pick a brand new one crate.

Have to say I love this feature.

Also happened that a squad mate hit the tail of my Il2 with his wing plane while taxiing  but none of us paid much attention to it as everything seems to be ok. Then when taking off I heard a "clang" but as I got to air uneventfully thought it was just an odd sound. While on circuit over base for forming up I heard another "clang" and this time my mate told me I had lost the tail. While I was figuring out what to do the plane took the decission for me as It went on a spin and I barely had time to bail out.

Reviewing the track when hit in first place the tail plane sustained some damage as there were "impact" textures on it. Then when taking off I lost the rudder (Clang) and after several minutes on circuit it was the rest of the tail plane what went away. Obviously at that point the plane was a doomed. Isn´t this cool? I love this features. Now I am really cautious when I hit the plane with something and take it very seriously.

[9./JG27golani79]

Most of the times when I get damaged I try to get to safety - I only fight in a damaged plane if I am forced to do so.

 

 

btw are there people who think you can´t dogfight with the 109 or why your thread title?

[VBF-12_Snake9]

???

 

E7 is better dogfighter than the 16.

 

Most pilots know this.

 

(Don't take in the wrong tone no disrespect meant.)

[Uriah]

So, can any of the Soviet fighter planes have a good chance at winning a dogfight if both pilots are highly skilled and not caught off guard?

 

I understand that most fighter planes were not shot down in dogfights but were just plane blasted out of the air because the pilot did not know what was coming.  I model that very well.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

The smart yaks will extend away from the e7. It's barely faster than the 16. It's funny to watch the Russian run away from the fight instead of the other way around.

[Geleitzug]

Most of the times when I get damaged I try to get to safety - I only fight in a damaged plane if I am forced to do so.

 

 

btw are there people who think you can´t dogfight with the 109 or why your thread title?

 

Many people consider the 109 as a BnZ fighter only, which might be true for the late versions (G and further) but for sure not for the Emil - that was the reason for me to make this thread title; and winning a dogfight even without having alierons any longer does support the assumption that the Emil is a good turn fighter I guess (of course not against a Spit), and in the end, the Spanish War had already proven that the Emil is a dangerous weapon against the Rata...

[Trinkof]

The smart yaks will extend away from the e7. It's barely faster than the 16. It's funny to watch the Russian run away from the fight instead of the other way around.

 

Problem or cool thing ... Depending what is your side, is that the yak pilot will often notice too late he is facing an E7 and not a F or G.

 

E7 is one of my favorite .... And I always fire a warning burst at the begining of the fight ... So the yak see me ... And it always ends hilariously the same : he turns, stick pulled to the stomach... Making my job a lot easier

 

Most hilarious thing is in level flight an E7 has no chance to catch a yak... That is why I fire a warning shot ... So they turn allowing me to catch them ... So far working flawlessly.

 

A lot of yak pilot do not know anything else than turning tight to evade an opponent .... Which is precisely what will kill them versus an E7... And it seems a lot of people completly ignore how awesome the E7 is in a dogfhight. It could litteraly make yak stall in turn fight before the "yak turn patch" a few month ago.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Smart man.

 

E7 is the funniest 109 to fly. Hands down.