Blitzen Posted January 1, 2017 Posted January 1, 2017 Could the quality of the gunners be tied to the rating of the plane/pilot/crew in the mission editing?
Mukai Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 Not sure, but the HE111 does seem to be in quite a disparity in comparison to other bomber gunners.
Willy__ Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) Could the quality of the gunners be tied to the rating of the plane/pilot/crew in the mission editing? IIRC for AI pilots yes. If its a human player flying the gunners are always set to the highest level. Edited January 10, 2017 by JAGER_Staiger
Yogiflight Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Gunners set to highest level for human pilots can only be in MP. It is definitely not the case in SP, as everyone knows, who is regularely flying multicrew aircrafts in SP. I have never seen so much stupid behaviour as from the gunners of my Ju88 and, even more, those of my wingmen.
kissklas Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Well, some of them did use the MG34, so they should know their way around old German weaponry. Maybe your gunners are in fact Imperial Stormtroopers!But hey... at least they aren't sand people. I think you'll find the blast points way too accurate for that.
Boaty-McBoatface Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 (edited) The gunner in the Stuka isn't any better at times either. Couldn't shoot the massive Peshka flying 10 feet behind us, and I don't think it has ever touched anything while I was flying it. Sorry this is not true. The stuka is great at gunnery. The mg81 fires a ferocious 1800RPM (x2 with twin guns!) and his aim is good too. Hans in the back does God's work and I often get kills from him. Also when flying VVS I always try for a ridiculous closing speed as that ferocious twin mg81 gets you more often than not. Some very funny moments I can think of when in La-5 coming crashing in on a stuka's 6 at a tremendous rate, having my elevators disabled and to then zip past underneath him and lose the wings entering a forest at very high speed indeed. Edited January 12, 2017 by B0SS
Y29.Layin_Scunion Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 Since anecdotal evidence seems to carry a bunch of merit; my engine got shot out by an He-111 in a 500mph diving pass last night. Does this mean I should start a thread on how OP He-111 Gunners are?
Willy__ Posted January 12, 2017 Posted January 12, 2017 Since anecdotal evidence seems to carry a bunch of merit; my engine got shot out by an He-111 in a 500mph diving pass last night. Does this mean I should start a thread on how OP He-111 Gunners are? You have every right to do so But I dont think it will be a common thing...
Y29.Layin_Scunion Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 That was mostly just a mockery of people who think that just because something happens to them a couple times, that means it's broken/overpowered/biased/buzzword/buzzword etc etc.
Boaty-McBoatface Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) just because something happens to them a couple times, that means it's broken/overpowered/biased/buzzword/buzzword etc etc.The man talks good sense. There really are too many obstinate fighter jocks/die hards/1 plane, 1 side only players and the likes with biased, narrow perspective who are so quick to point blame at anything that hurts their stats/egos. Edited January 13, 2017 by 1./TG1_B0SS
BraveSirRobin Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 It appears that very few people are actually shot down in this game. But many are the victims of cheating, op aircraft, and op gunners.
Boaty-McBoatface Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 (edited) yes sir. Never truer words spoken, sir. Edited January 13, 2017 by 1./TG1_B0SS
1PL-Husar-1Esk Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 What are excuses for those situations when AI gunner is so affected in combat that he can't aim straight at almost stationery enemy plane close at 7 o clock or he just seat down in danger zone.
Nil Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 He111 gunners drink too much Schnaps and are drunk , basically speaking.
Mukai Posted January 13, 2017 Author Posted January 13, 2017 The man talks good sense. There really are too many obstinate fighter jocks/die hards/1 plane, 1 side only players and the likes with biased, narrow perspective who are so quick to point blame at anything that hurts their stats/egos. I completely agree, and I've said its just how I've felt with the HE111, that it seems *generally* have issues shooting something down. Now granted in some cases there's the lucky shot. But from my experience flying it, most fighters have been able to form up on my tail and shoot me down easy. I don't really have this problem with the PE2 or BF110, I don't have much flight time with the Stuka so I'm not sure. Conversely when I fly fighters, I don't have much issue shooting down HE111's either, and I suck really bad in fighters believe me haha. So this thread was started as a talking point to see if it was just me that the HE111 gunners were lazy (the stormtrooper quip was to show the topic as a little bit more lighthearted than complete seriousness). But a lot of people here seem to share the same sentiment.
II./JG77_Manu* Posted January 13, 2017 Posted January 13, 2017 Since anecdotal evidence seems to carry a bunch of merit; my engine got shot out by an He-111 in a 500mph diving pass last night. Does this mean I should start a thread on how OP He-111 Gunners are? No it does mean that the Russian aircraft you flew is broken, because no Russian aircraft in game is supposed to survive a dive with 800kph
Y29.Layin_Scunion Posted January 15, 2017 Posted January 15, 2017 (edited) No it does mean that the Russian aircraft you flew is broken, because no Russian aircraft in game is supposed to survive a dive with 800kph You can get an idea of where to put snide remarks. I was flying a P-40... And if we want to dive into semantics I was going ~470-480mph. Edited January 15, 2017 by Y-29.Layin_Scunion
Willy__ Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 If we're going to be technical, the P40 isnt a russian plane... and 30mph (500mph to 470) makes a very big difference.
II./JG77_Manu* Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 If we're going to be technical, the P40 isnt a russian plane... and 30mph (500mph to 470) makes a very big difference. It was just a invented story anyway...
Y29.Layin_Scunion Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 If we're going to be technical, the P40 isnt a russian plane... and 30mph (500mph to 470) makes a very big difference. I never said the P-40 was a Soviet aircraft. Someone else did. And yes I know that 20-30mph makes a big difference. Point being my wingman made a pass at approximately the same speed and got hit. I made a pass and took a hit to the engine and was instantly down. Do I think it's wrong or ridiculous? Not at all. If there's a genuine issue with some aspect of the game, I want it to be right. But anecdotal evidence shouldn't mean much. If someone truly thinks AI gunners differ between aircraft regarding accuracy, then test it. Its just that simple.
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