Ju-52/3m g4e WIP pictures

[Haza]

Hello there!

 

Today I will show you some WIP pics for the Ju-52 that is currently in testing and will be released shortly along with many other cool stuff!

 

Taken from a Transport mission which is a new type of mission for the existing Generated Campaign which will be included with the Ju-52 release. Last pictures are during the unloading phase of the mission in the winter supplying the trapped German 6th army in the pocket. 

Fun and challenging missions!

 

Regards

McKvack

 

 

Disclaimer:

This is from a beta version and not final product.

Posted with permission from developers.

 

Mate,

 

Thank you for showing us the pictures, however, I noticed from Jason's post that he didn't have the time to make a video.  Are you able/authorised to make a quick video to at least keep us going until 2.0006 is released?

Come on Jason/developers, please allow this!!

 

Regards

soo....patch this week?

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26562-please-read-heads-update-2006/

I hope we can unload the paratroopers on the ground!

 

Surely unloading paratroopers on the ground, doesn't make them paratroopers!?

Just regular Army!

[No601_Swallow]

If the Ju52 is a success and if the mission design possibilities are used by , maybe we will eventually get a DC3/Li2... It'd be a shame not to further use all these new features!

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

If the Ju52 is a success and if the mission design possibilities are used by , maybe we will eventually get a DC3/Li2... It'd be a shame not to further use all these new features!

Po-2 Night/Terror Bomber Bomber (350kg Bombload), Artillery Spotter, Medevac, Trainer (Tutorial) Aircraft, Liason, Normal and Partisan Supplies, Mail, only Biplane credited for a Jet-Kill. 

It's the Iconic Counterpart to the Ju-52. 

Edited December 14, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann

[Cybermat47]

Po-2 Night/Terror Bomber Bomber (350kg Bombload), Artillery Spotter, Medevac, Trainer (Tutorial) Aircraft, Liason, Normal and Partisan Supplies, Mail, only Biplane credited for a Jet-Kill. 

It's the Iconic Counterpart to the Ju-52.

 

Terror bomber? I thought they only attacked troop convoys etc., never heard of a Po-2 bombing a city before.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Terror bomber? I thought they only attacked troop convoys etc., never heard of a Po-2 bombing a city before.

Terror Bombing --> Breaking enemy Morale. That is what it did by Bombing at night, on exposed infantry.

[Gunsmith86]

Terror bomber? I thought they only attacked troop convoys etc., never heard of a Po-2 bombing a city before.

Well they tryed to bomb troops and military targets however it turned out to be nearly impossible to find targets by night whitout electric helper. So they often droped there bombs on the wrong place whitout knowing it. A report of the bombercommand in late 1942 showed that less than 5% of all bombs droped by night were closer than 5 miles from the intended targed area which could be as large as a city! In some cases they bombed England and were sure to be far into Germany or France. One crew hit a english fighter base after they got lost for some time in bad weather over the sea, shortly after the bombs hit the navigater looked outside and said "shit that large city on the left side is London!" The rest of the crew got pale faces.

[216th_Jordan]

Well they tryed to bomb troops and military targets however it turned out to be nearly impossible to find targets by night whitout electric helper. So they often droped there bombs on the wrong place whitout knowing it. A report of the bombercommand in late 1942 showed that less than 5% of all bombs droped by night were closer than 5 miles from the intended targed area which could be as large as a city! In some cases they bombed England and were sure to be far into Germany or France. One crew hit a english fighter base after they got lost for some time in bad weather over the sea, shortly after the bombs hit the navigater looked outside and said "shit that large city on the left side is London!" The rest of the crew got pale faces.

 

Considering that those bombs were dropped from low altitude I am quite sure they saw their target when dropping the bombs. You would also have to consider that travel times would be rather short for Po-2 attacks.

 

It might be that Po-2 is the right counterpart for Ju-52 but if I were to choose, I would choose a Dc-3/Li-2 over it any day.

However I don't believe we will see any of these planes. Ju-52 has a large fanbase and was used a lot on the eastern front, it was necessary for the BoS. I see that controllable Ju-52 as a lucky occurence but I don't think we will see more planes like these (I would sureley like that!) as it is even more niche in a niche genre (for it to become interesting for the civil sim crowd there would have to be more user controlled systems modelled - at least this is my guess) . I would like to be proven wrong though.

 

I would certaily hope for more content like controllable ground vehicles/flak, but this will probably stay a dream for a while.

Edited December 15, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[6./ZG26_Custard]

Po-2 Night/Terror Bomber Bomber (350kg Bombload), Artillery Spotter, Medevac, Trainer (Tutorial) Aircraft, Liason, Normal and Partisan Supplies, Mail, only Biplane credited for a Jet-Kill. It's the Iconic Counterpart to the Ju-52.

 

Give us those Night Witches please.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFK9wAOatGE&list=PL0679IGx8w0hHV58bCKE8P54diOFS1kp5

Edited December 15, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Custard

[No601_Swallow]

...However I don't believe we will see any of these planes. Ju-52 has a large fanbase and was used a lot on the eastern front, it was necessary for the BoS. I see that controllable Ju-52 as a lucky occurence but I don't think we will see more planes like these (I would sureley like that!) as it is even more niche in a niche genre (for it to become interesting for the civil sim crowd there would have to be more user controlled systems modelled - at least this is my guess) . I would like to be proven wrong though.

 

I would certaily hope for more content like controllable ground vehicles/flak, but this will probably stay a dream for a while.

 

I'd love to see more aircraft types (Feisler Storch being a personal favourite, or a British Anson, for instance) which allow different types of missions and different possibilities for gameplay.

 

I do very much hope that eventually we'll have user-made maps as well, to supplement the big maps we'll get with each "battle". And maybe the civil sim guys will come on board - the "Feeling of flight" of BoS (and RoF) seems so much more organic and convincing than more or less any other sim I've ever played.

 

Next up on my list is fleshing out the Navigation aids, at least allowing Mission Designers to assign a different "frequency" to multiple NDBs. Some sort of "ruler" and/or protractor that could be used on the briefing map (CloD, - Gawd 'elp it - had this in broken embryonic form) to help with headings and dead reckoning, etc.

 

The pothibilitith are endleth!

[KoN_]

FPS has improved a lot

Will this now hold up to smoke and ground battles and dogfights above . With out too much fps loss .

Maybe now we can live up to il-2 1946 campaigns with moving ground wars and missions that effect the out come of campaigns and stats .

[Gunsmith86]

 

 

Considering that those bombs were dropped from low altitude I am quite sure they saw their target when dropping the bombs. You would also have to consider that travel times would be rather short for Po-2 attacks.

 

Not realy they fly low but you dont hav eto forget that most targets would be camouflaged and be very hard to spot on the dark ground while your plane is easy to spot at the nights with more light which were the days were you had the best opportunity to find your targets. Also view range is very limeted at night and there navigation instruments were poor compared to Wellington bombers or similar airplanes. 

[Nil]

It might be that Po-2 is the right counterpart for Ju-52 but if I were to choose, I would choose a Dc-3/Li-2 over it any day.

However I don't believe we will see any of these planes. Ju-52 has a large fanbase and was used a lot on the eastern front, it was necessary for the BoS. I see that controllable Ju-52 as a lucky occurence but I don't think we will see more planes like these (I would sureley like that!) as it is even more niche in a niche genre (for it to become interesting for the civil sim crowd there would have to be more user controlled systems modelled - at least this is my guess) . I would like to be proven wrong though.

 

I would certaily hope for more content like controllable ground vehicles/flak, but this will probably stay a dream for a while.

I agree with you Jordan,

I would love a Po2, but I believe a DC3/Li2 is more useful to have balanced gameplay on multiplayer.

The Model will serve for Russians, US and JP in every war theater even after the WW2

 

So it is kind of 3 in one! which is very profitable.

 

Right now, I hope they will make a Ju52 Russian skin to make it usable on both sides in MP, that is the best we can hope, otherwise it might be difficult to provide the Ju52 on MP

[Gambit21]

I could make a serviceable Russia skin for that thing in a few minutes - no big deal.

[Dakpilot]

I could make a serviceable Russia skin for that thing in a few minutes - no big deal.

 

But unless everyone has it, some confusion can be found online, for this to work would the Ju-52 not have to be added as a Soviet choice in aircraft, to get and see correct VVS "default" skin

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Gambit21]

I see - you're right in that case

[Nil]

By the way, it should be a funny situation when a Russian Ju52 and a German on will meet each other! 

Gunner VS Gunner 

 

I could make a serviceable Russia skin for that thing in a few minutes - no big deal.

I love your enthusiasm Gambit21!

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Unpopular opinion: I'd prefer not to have Russian Ju52's.

[Nil]

Me too Space_Gost, I much prefer to have a Li2, but the thing is that we do not have it yet so it is better to have a ju52 for both sides rather than NO transport for Luftwaffe because it will be unfair for Russian side.

Do you get my point?

Historically Russian had a few Ju52 during the war, but they did not used it much as Russian AA servant shoot at them.

http://karopka.ru/community/user/8686/?MODEL=281283

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Me too Space_Gost, I much prefer to have a Li2, but the thing is that we do not have it yet so it is better to have a ju52 for both sides rather than NO transport for Luftwaffe because it will be unfair for Russian side.

Do you get my point?

Historically Russian had a few Ju52 during the war, but they did not used it much as Russian AA servant shoot at them.

http://karopka.ru/community/user/8686/?MODEL=281283

 

I think an Li2 would be great but I didn't realize that a Russian air bridge was such a defining, memorable part of the Siege of Stalingrad.

 

The point I don't get is the "unfair" part... "Unfair" is a bit of a stretch.

 

I think it's fair to say that if we show the team that their hard work is worth it to us to purchase and the features they introduced are captivating, fun and actually used it wouldn't be a stretch to see recon/transports in the post-BOK development cycle.

 

People around here get upset when myself and others try to compel people to purchase the product and stand behind the developers... But purchase the product, stand behind the team, encourage your squadmates and friends to buy or it would be entirely fair for a business like 1CGS/777 to see no value in producing content... They are a business after all.

Edited December 15, 2016 by Space_Ghost

[Asgar]

Unpopular opinion: I'd prefer not to have Russian Ju52's.

i don't think it's that unpopular, i agree, so far IL-2 is a simulation and tries to be as realistic as possible. i would like to keep it that way

 

my suggestion: after BoK do Bf 109 G-6 and the Li-2/C-47

Edited December 15, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[Aap]

I think that most of the people ID planes by their shape rather than skin, so a Russian Ju52 would get lots of friendly fire. Let's hope that Ju52 sells well, so that devs want to do a Li-2 also that would also fit well in other theaters (as DC-47). 

Edited December 15, 2016 by II./JG77_Kemp

[Dakpilot]

I have to say as much as the new game features with JU-52 will be enjoyed, and would add to gameplay online on VVS side, I also would not like to see Russian Ju-52 either

 

 

Me too Space_Gost, I much prefer to have a Li2, but the thing is that we do not have it yet so it is better to have a ju52 for both sides rather than NO transport for Luftwaffe because it will be unfair for Russian side.

Do you get my point?

Historically Russian had a few Ju52 during the war, but they did not used it much as Russian AA servant shoot at them.

http://karopka.ru/community/user/8686/?MODEL=281283

 

Thanks, great info, I was aware of the 2 'Estonian' Ju-52's but it was good to read more info (google translate sometimes works very well)

 

there must be so much info that is hard to find when searching in english 

 

Does anyone have info on how many DC-3/C-47 (not Li-2) were used by Soviet aviation/VVS during WWII

 

Maybe if the Ju-52 is as popular as comments seem, and it is widely flown online a DC-3/Li-2 can show profit and expand the .game.

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Edited December 15, 2016 by Dakpilot

[Nil]

Space Gost, my english is not my mother tongue and my vocabulary is limited , but even in French I need to improve my vocabulary 

Maybe a more relevant expression or word instead of "unfair" would have been more appropriate.

 

However, my only concern is to see Tante Ju not available in these 3 popular server WOL, RExpert and TAW because it might be hard for server keeper to implement it.

 

A missing plane in multiplayer should not be an interesting plane in the eyes of some players who do not have bought Tante Ju. Thus, it will not help to get more sales for our mighty dev team who need more money for making this sim even better.

 

Asgar, I am in with realism, and I would love to get a Li2 however Tante Ju saw a some limited use in Russian side during the war only because Russian AA shot at them

 

Dakpilot , a Li2 is a DC3 build under licence (see a screenshot I made from the original IL2)

 

II/JG77_Kemp, sure friendly fire is a risk, but Tante is big and rather inoffensive so I am sure that players will take the habit to check for marking first before shoot. (I would never say the same for a fighter)

Edited December 15, 2016 by Nil

[Dakpilot]

 

 

Dakpilot , a Li2 is a DC3 build under licence.

 

 

 

Indeed you are very correct, but there were quite a few visual differences to the 'metric' version as well as different engines

 

 

even apart from the turret and external bomb mounts

 

There were standard DC-3 in use with VVS, if it was a significant number, this model could be used purely for transport, and be useful for other fronts (pacific etc.) without need for different models, just a thought

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[Nil]

That is indeed a good idea DakPilot, it would make less work for the dev team. Less work means more probability to be released somehow.

 

Good Point mate!

[Aap]

 

 

Thanks, great info, I was aware of the 2 'Estonian' Ju-52's but it was good to read more info

 

 

That reminds me, I have read kind of a wild story about these Estonian Ju-52's. They were sent to Siberia at first, but for some period during Siege of Leningrad they were brought back, painted into Luftwaffe colors and used to carry supplies and arms to besieged Leningrad and evacuated people from there. I have to say that it kind of sounds incredible, considering the risk of flying a German plane in German colors like that, but it was claimed to be a true story.

[Nil]

Yes! 

Some C47 were given to Russia during WW2 and I believe without changing the instruments

check here: http://ww2incolour.blogspot.fr/2012/07/russian-c-47-dakota-found-in-arctic.html

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I get the reason why some of you wants a Russian Ju-52 but in my opinion it should stay on the german side. This game is all about being historically accurate(as much as possible) and a Russian Ju-52 simply do not fit in and it would just cause problems and more time from the devs.

And I dont think it would be unfair. Each side do not need exactly the same missions. I think it would be boring and break the immersion

[Nil]

Dear McKvack, now wait and see how it will be use in the MP server.

Personally I only would like to find it available  with objectives 

this is the only transport we have (soon) yet, and not being able to fly it is also not being able do do transport missions.

 

I mean, I have so much bad memories when I was in a virtual squadron with some Fighter only missions as I was a Bomber pilot, not a fighter one!

 

believe me that it was a very hard to live situation. you feel an useless pilot.

 

I just do not want it happens with transports on the 3 most popular Mp server...

 

Do you understand what I mean? (as my English is not the best one! )

Edited December 16, 2016 by Nil

[216th_Jordan]

Definitely a Dc-3 would be great. Maybe in 2 years ))

Edited December 16, 2016 by 216th_Jordan

[150GCT_Veltro]

Unpopular opinion: I'd prefer not to have Russian Ju52's.

 

+1

 

No please, wait for Dakota.

[kendo]

Dear McKvack, now wait and see how it will be use in the MP server.

Personally I only would like to find it available  with objectives 

this is the only transport we have (soon) yet, and not being able to fly it is also not being able do do transport missions.

 

I mean, I have so much bad memories when I was in a virtual squadron with some Fighter only missions as I was a Bomber pilot, not a fighter one!

 

believe me that it was a very hard to live situation. you feel an useless pilot.

 

I just do not want it happens with transports on the 3 most popular Mp server...

 

Do you understand what I mean? (as my English is not the best one! )

 

I would hope that the server mission builders would be able to create a scenario where the German side can use the Ju52 in its historically accurate role - with points accrued and mission objectives being defined around that - without having to create an exact and unhistorical 'mirror image' role for the Russian side. Surely with a bit of ingenuity that can be done. To me it just doesn't follow that both sides need to be able to do exactly the same things.

 

I get your fear that unless that happens the Ju52 won't be able to be used, but I think it's unfounded. It's just up to the mission builders to build the mission objectives in a clever enough way.

 

And Dakpilot came up with a really big practical issue in that if someone doesn't have the Russian Ju52 skin they will end up seeing the default German one instead.

Edited December 16, 2016 by kendo

[Nil]

Good point Kendo.

If the dev team provide the Russian skin in a patch , there will be no problem.

The more I think about this issue, the more I think it is up to server mission creators to decide if they want a ju52 for Russians.