really disappointing that the LW only dog fights on WOL

[FTC_Etherlight]

You are welcome to get your ground kills (why even bother doing it in MP?) while I am getting my air kills Just as I said before - yaks thankfully can't shoot backwards and they don't get the all-aware gunner to warn them about 6 every time. They can do their flaps red star moves but thats OK.

 

Until bombers are easier to kill than the fighters I'll stay up and ignore objectives on WOL.

 

Same for me, basically. I simply stopped attacking most Bombers, especially the PE-2. Even with high angle, high speed passes the chances of getting a single bullet to the engine of my 190/109 which most likely leads to my demise is simply too great. I'll still treat WoL like Berloga with a bigger map and more realistic engagements and fight-scenarios, cause that's the way you actually get enjoyable combat.

[Scojo]

You are welcome to get your ground kills (why even bother doing it in MP?) while I am getting my air kills Just as I said before - yaks thankfully can't shoot backwards and they don't get the all-aware gunner to warn them about 6 every time. They can do their flaps red star moves but thats OK.

 

Until bombers are easier to kill than the fighters I'll stay up and ignore objectives on WOL.

My Unit flies WoL most often.

 

Gunners alert the pilot well after a human gunner could. Be glad most bombers out there only have AI gunners. AI gunners only alert me once the fighter is in silhouette identification range. A human gunner can warn me when the plane is just a dot. And most of the time I hear shots at me before the AI gunner says anything.

 

I'll never understand why fighters want to be given free kills. What's the challenge in that? If you remove all of the challenge, "why even bother doing it in MP?"

 

You can't use a statement like your last one. Different pilots have different skill. Right now, rookie/novice bombers are easier to kill than rookie/novice fighters.

 

Stop demanding free kills. You're not fooling anyone. It's not too difficult

Edited February 7, 2017 by 71st_AH_Scojo

[JaffaCake]

Interesting discussion here and I somewhat agree with the argument that its more dangerous to engage a bomber than a fighter in a 109. With how randomly Pe2 gunners can snipe you nowadays its just safer to take a pass on IL2 or a fighter and run away than it is to even be in range of Pe2 gunners. It is also true that servers like WOL provide little incentive to play for the objective. 

 

On the other hand german bombers, especially he111 are easy pickings for yaks and laggs as the weaker armament is never able to hurt you significantly and russian engines are able to operate for much longer when damaged. I am never afraid to sit on 6 of a german bomber and plink away at it, when any pe2 would have killed me even on the approach.

 

Last time I flew Pe2 I came back home with 3 kills, 20 ground kills and a dead engine - the platform is incredible.

Edited February 7, 2017 by JaffaCake

[FTC_Etherlight]

I'll never understand why fighters want to be given free kills. What's the challenge in that? If you remove all of the challenge, "why even bother doing it in MP?"

 

You can't use a statement like your last one. Different pilots have different skill. Right now, rookie/novice bombers are easier to kill than rookie/novice fighters.

 

Stop demanding free kills. You're not fooling anyone. It's not too difficult

 

No. It's not about challenge, it's about skill or randomness being the deciding factor in outcome. Whether I in my 109/190 kill an enemy fighter or not depends on my own ability vs. their ability most of the time. Sure, there is a little luck involved with the damage modeling and the question who spots whom when and where, but other than that? Pure decision-making, piloting ability and good ol' aim.

 

Now whether I kill a bomber or not also depends on my skill, but only to a very small degree. Bombers soak up damage like crazy (especially the PE-2), and no matter if I do high speed, high angle approaches from ther 8' or just sit behind 'em, the chances of getting a random bullet into the engine which immediately dooms me, is very very high. And I've put dozens and dozens and dozens of 20mm cannon into some Pe-2s without them going down, because you basically have to kill Pe-2's by two ways: First: Fire. Those are pretty random and not that often. Second: Structural damage. Considering that those suckers appear to be out of titanium, it's not easy to get something off that's fatal in one or two passes. When I attack a German bomber I just put a few rounds into the engines with the certainty that he'll go down anyway, since the engines will be out very soon. We all know that that's not the case with Russian engines. I have been flying with two damaged engines with fcked cooling systems for about 20 minutes in Pe-2s myself. The engines are just not a reliable way to kill them. I mean, yeah, sure, I had times when I killed a Pe-2 in one go, but to be honest? That's very rare. Add to that the fact that a Pe-2 is so fast that you will and up on their 6 most of the attacks if the pilot is not turning like a numbnut, and you will very often pay with your own plane (engine) for a Pe-2 kill. Without any skill of the opposing party being necessary, than being fast and letting the AI do it's job. It's just not worth the hassle and not even an enjoying combat experience, like a good dogfight would be.

 

So yeah, it's frustrating, but I found a solution: Don't attack them. Just attack things that don't kill you simply by chance and actually enjoy the flight, the fight and the actual challenge.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

-snip-

 

When I attack a German bomber I just put a few rounds into the engines with the certainty that he'll go down anyway, since the engines will be out very soon. We all know that that's not the case with Russian engines. I have been flying with two damaged engines with fcked cooling systems for about 20 minutes in Pe-2s myself.

 

-snip-

 

 

Sorry for the OT but I wanted to mention that I flew an interdiction on the Finish Dynamic War server Sunday afternoon with the 110 G-2 and although a single bullet knocked all but one of my MG's out, I made it all the way back to base on two smoking engines.

 

I would agree that it seems like German engines generally die a little quicker but I've had a couple of instances where I have successfully RTB'd on two damaged engines in a 15+ minute flight.

[Scojo]

Interesting discussion here and I somewhat agree with the argument that its more dangerous to engage a bomber than a fighter in a 109.

This is a given, but it does not mean bombers are too powerful.

 

Russian fighters are at a disadvantage against a 109. The fighter doesn't have a rear gunner, so when you drop on him it's obviously safer than doing so on a bomber.

 

As long as a 109 plays the altitude game and doesn't stay in a turn fight too long with a Russian fighter, they have a good advantage.

 

So obviously a bomber is more dangerous to engage than a fighter when talking about the planes in question, but that doesn't mean gunners are broken.

 

Plus, when I do get kills with my rear gunners, it's because I'm controlling them. Out of the 3-5 enemy fighters I've shot down with a gunner this month only one of those was destroyed by my AI gunner.

 

That's not even mentioning the fact that compared to the number of times I've been attacked by fighters, I've been shot down more times than that. The only times I've been able to get back to base under fighter attack besides those 3-5 times is when Russian fighters join in to help me.

 

I wish the gunners were as good as y'all are saying. It makes me wonder why the game is cheating me out of god-sniper AI. I guess I'm just unlucky.

 

If AI gunner accuracy is reduced they'd be nothing but dead weight and I'd have to either give up playing bombers entirely or wait at base for a human gunner every time I fly.

 

You can't compare an IL-2 gunner to a Pe-2 gunner. The IL-2 gun is horrid compared to the blister and also has very little ammo. Of course y'all love the IL-2 gunner because all it does is slow the IL-2 down, not to mention he never calls out an enemy on your six until it's already firing at you

[Scojo]

it's about skill or randomness being the deciding factor in outcome.

I can agree with this. I said the same thing in the AI Gunner Accuracy thread.

 

The accuracy of the gunners is close enough to what it should be. The problem, like you mentioned, is the accuracy model. Right now it is all RNG. It needs to be more based on RNG with a modifier from the acceleration and positioning of the bomber.

 

The gunner should be less likely to strike if the Pe-2 is in a barrel roll or flying at an askew path of the fighter or firing at a quickly passing fighter, but that's not the case right now. I think if that's taken into account as modifiers on the RNG, it will feel better to everyone involved and it will put more emphasis on the skills of the two pilots involved.

 

However, this swings both ways. If modifiers are added to reduce accuracy during accelerating maneuvers, the gunner should receive some positive modifiers if the bomber is relatively stable and the fighter has a slow relative velocity to the bomber.

 

I think if we keep the chance to hit that we currently have on AI gunners and add in the modifications I mentioned, it would be much closer to matching what human gunners can do in the gunner seat.

[JaffaCake]

-- snip --

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I was not arguing that the bombers are OP! I just feel that other's points are warranted in that WOL does not give you any real incentive to play the lottery with the AI gunner, so it is understandable how fighter pilots would be keen to ignore bombers entirely.

 

Its just a pity that Pe2 is the only bomber with a gunner capable of taking out an engaging fighter with a glancing pass. German bombers really are easy pickings in comparison. When one lucky AI shot from Pe2 can fully disable a fighter, the pea shooters in german bombers sometimes can't even stop the engine with a full clip shot from a human gunner.

[Scojo]

Don't get me wrong, I was not arguing that the bombers are OP! I just feel that other's points are warranted in that WOL does not give you any real incentive to play the lottery with the AI gunner, so it is understandable how fighter pilots would be keen to ignore bombers entirely.

 

Its just a pity that Pe2 is the only bomber with a gunner capable of taking out an engaging fighter with a glancing pass. German bombers really are easy pickings in comparison. When one lucky AI shot from Pe2 can fully disable a fighter, the pea shooters in german bombers sometimes can't even stop the engine with a full clip shot from a human gunner.

I see. Sorry for getting caught up in the emotion of it. I will say though, that we really are just referring to the Pe-2 here. Your second paragraph explains the situation perfectly.

 

If I'm not flying with 3+ people, I only fly the Pe-2 because it's the only bomber I'll have a CHANCE in. And it's a very small chance when you consider the number of times I've been shot down by fighters, even single fighters, compared to how many I've actually shot down with the gunner seat. And the AI gunners kill even less than I do.

 

I've yet to experience "1 shot-ing" an enemy fighter. Every fighter I or my AI gunner has destroyed has either taken me down as well or done so much damage that if another fighter came along, I'd rather just jump out than waste the time trying to stay alive.

 

Actually, I've never even downed an enemy fighter on sight. The kills I've gotten with my gunner have all happened long after the fighter decided to leave. Usually such a long time after that I'm already on final at my airfield or sliding on the ground because I had to crash land from his damage

[Semir]

If I'm not flying with 3+ people, I only fly the Pe-2 because it's the only bomber I'll have a CHANCE in. And it's a very small chance when you consider the number of times I've been shot down by fighters, even single fighters, compared to how many I've actually shot down with the gunner seat. And the AI gunners kill even less than I do.

 

 

There you said it. That is the root of the problem why allies "win" on WOL and why nobody bothers to kill Pe2 or fly the german bombers. A lone Pe2 is able to stand up to a fighter without escort or air superiority in the area.  It doesn't need to climb it doesn't need to look out it can tank gunpods and occasionally just outright pilot snipe the fighter. Oh and it also goes at like 400 kmph on the deck so getting in and out is a breeze.

 

So yeah, keep flying it and "winning"

Edited February 7, 2017 by Semir

[Scojo]

There you said it. That is the root of the problem why allies "win" on WOL and why nobody bothers to kill Pe2 or fly the german bombers. A lone Pe2 is able to stand up to a fighter without escort or air superiority in the area.  It doesn't need to climb it doesn't need to look out it can tank gunpods and occasionally just outright pilot snipe the fighter. Oh and it also goes at like 400 kmph on the deck so getting in and out is a breeze.

 

So yeah, keep flying it and "winning"

Oh I'm terribly sorry that the LW don't have a superior low level bomber like they have the superior fighters. Poor LW.

 

People do bother to kill Pe-2s. The number of times I get shot down in a Pe-2 when a fighter appears is far greater than when I successfully defend them off with my AI gunners.

 

The high number of successful sorties I have are all sorties where Russian fighters actually helped me or I managed to pick a route to and from target where I came across no enemy fighters.

If LW would patrol targets properly, they wouldn't be letting so many bombers get through.

 

LW shouldn't have trouble bombing anyway when they can climb up protected by well performing high altitude fighters and hit targets with 1000kg bombs

 

The LW losing isn't the Pe-2's fault, it's the lack of interest in their side to patrol correctly and also protect their bombers instead of sitting up above the clouds waiting for 100% advantage on an unsuspecting enemy

Edited February 7, 2017 by 71st_AH_Scojo

[FTC_Etherlight]

Oh I'm terribly sorry that the LW don't have a superior low level bomber like they have the superior fighters. Poor LW.

 

People do bother to kill Pe-2s. The number of times I get shot down in a Pe-2 when a fighter appears is far greater than when I successfully defend them off with my AI gunners.

 

The high number of successful sorties I have are all sorties where Russian fighters actually helped me or I managed to pick a route to and from target where I came across no enemy fighters.

If LW would patrol targets properly, they wouldn't be letting so many bombers get through.

 

LW shouldn't have trouble bombing anyway when they can climb up protected by well performing high altitude fighters and hit targets with 1000kg bombs

 

The LW losing isn't the Pe-2's fault, it's the lack of interest in their side to patrol correctly and also protect their bombers instead of sitting up above the clouds waiting for 100% advantage on an unsuspecting enemy

 

Just a quick mention considering comparing fighters. Since the birth of the Yak-1B I do not think the difference between top fighter performance is that relevant anymore. The Yak-1B can climb extremely good, keep up with a FW on deck and still beats the 109s in terms of turnfighting. It sucks that they put the objectively best Russian fighter behind an additional paywall, but a very large number of people bought that thing from my experience on the servers (which is understandable). So I would not say that a superior bomber for VVS is necessarily justified in terms of balance.

[Max_Damage]

Oh I'm terribly sorry that the LW don't have a superior low level bomber like they have the superior fighters. Poor LW.

 

People do bother to kill Pe-2s. The number of times I get shot down in a Pe-2 when a fighter appears is far greater than when I successfully defend them off with my AI gunners.

 

The high number of successful sorties I have are all sorties where Russian fighters actually helped me or I managed to pick a route to and from target where I came across no enemy fighters.

If LW would patrol targets properly, they wouldn't be letting so many bombers get through.

 

LW shouldn't have trouble bombing anyway when they can climb up protected by well performing high altitude fighters and hit targets with 1000kg bombs

 

The LW losing isn't the Pe-2's fault, it's the lack of interest in their side to patrol correctly and also protect their bombers instead of sitting up above the clouds waiting for 100% advantage on an unsuspecting enemy

I dont think so. You can have x2 and x3 the bomb loads on german bombers compared to the IL2 and pe2 easy. Even the first bf110 carries BIG bombs, too. its really silly to complain about the blue bombers. You just get ju88, load 2/3 tons of 50 kg bombs and carpet bomb any ground convoy in 2 tries. Or take some stupidly large bombs that allow you not even bother aiming.

 

Just for reference il2 and pe2 have to work with 100 kg bombs pretty much exclusively, and there arent a lot of them to carry.

Edited February 8, 2017 by Max_Damage

[Scojo]

I dont think so. You can have x2 and x3 the bomb loads on german bombers compared to the IL2 and pe2 easy. Even the first bf110 carries BIG bombs, too. its really silly to complain about the blue bombers. You just get ju88, load 2/3 tons of 50 kg bombs and carpet bomb any ground convoy in 2 tries. Or take some stupidly large bombs that allow you not even bother aiming.

 

Just for reference il2 and pe2 have to work with 100 kg bombs pretty much exclusively, and there arent a lot of them to carry.

I understand that, but when I said better, I was referring to survivability based on maneuverability, durability, and gunners.

 

Yes, the LW has larger bomb loads. I love them. In fact last night's sorties were spent spamming the chat with kill feed from 2x1800kg He-111 bomb runs. Some LW fighters were even kind enough to escort me for one of my sorties

[Semir]

I understand that, but when I said better, I was referring to survivability based on maneuverability, durability, and gunners.

 

Yes, the LW has larger bomb loads. I love them. In fact last night's sorties were spent spamming the chat with kill feed from 2x1800kg He-111 bomb runs. Some LW fighters were even kind enough to escort me for one of my sorties

 

 

Question of this thread is why lw only dogfights on WOL. I think you have given the answer yourself plenty of times now. Pe2 can solo and get occasional kill or a triple. German bombers mostly die when looked at by the russian fighters.

[Scojo]

Question of this thread is why lw only dogfights on WOL. I think you have given the answer yourself plenty of times now. Pe2 can solo and get occasional kill or a triple. German bombers mostly die when looked at by the russian fighters.

That's not the full picture. It's would be naïve to think that's the sole reason...

 

I attacked some Pe-2s yesterday and came out safe and sound. Also, on my bomb runs as LW, I've been escorted by a few people. I think the reason the majority of the people dogfight on WoL is simple: They like to dogfight in 109s and 190s, and here's why, imo:

 

When it comes to a 109 vs Yak matchup, which is the most common, it's almost like taking candy from a baby as long as the Yak pilot doesn't have lots of flying experience and the LW pilot keeps altitude and speed and doesn't get greedy.

 

You also have to take into consideration other things such as the fact that Russian bombers fly on the deck, whereas LW planes prefer high altitude, so they will almost always see fighters first and then get tied up in dogfights. There are also many more fighters, so you're much more likely to see a fighter first anyway.

 

Another reason is the plane count is high on WoL and there's no economy, so people can repeatedly fly with little consequence. This coupled with the fact that not only fighters, but LW fighters can get to altitude and target much quicker presents an enticing opportunity for players who only want to dogfight or fly fighters to reduce their "Non-playing" time. (Non-playing as in takeoff, landing, climb, travel)

 

Then there's other things to consider such as more people will just always naturally find fighters more fun.

 

The Pe-2 discussion we were having was really off topic. But if you want my full on topic thoughts, there they are.

Edited February 9, 2017 by 71st_AH_Scojo

[JaffaCake]

Having flown both side bombers I'd only add to what Scojo said is that you have to climb in LW bombers to get any sort of escort or success - and it hurts a lot more to get shot down in a german bomber at 3km. Getting shot down in Pe2 is much easier to handle as you just take another one and you are back on the target in no time. Pe2 is a monster in that respect!!

[Scojo]

Having flown both side bombers I'd only add to what Scojo said is that you have to climb in LW bombers to get any sort of escort or success - and it hurts a lot more to get shot down in a german bomber at 3km. Getting shot down in Pe2 is much easier to handle as you just take another one and you are back on the target in no time. Pe2 is a monster in that respect!!

Good points. That's definitely true, however you can make runs with the 110 like a Pe-2, you're just less durable, but I haven't had any problems. The main thing to worry about is taking care on your approach when the target has AAA.

 

The G-2 coming on the scene after bug fixes will definitely improve the low fast bombing option for LW. They would always need to take a wingman, though since the fighters won't want to escort that low, like you say

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

NO
We need to keep it historical So bombers will never be easier to kill than fighters unless you really want to mess things up like in WT (they have no idea of bomber strengths)



 

[Semir]

NO

We need to keep it historical So bombers will never be easier to kill than fighters unless you really want to mess things up like in WT (they have no idea of bomber strengths)

 

 

 

 

YES

bombers were always easier to kill that fighters - look at B17 raids before and after fighter escorts. And that is B17 not some wooden crate made stalinium Pe2.

[curiousGamblerr]

YES

bombers were always easier to kill that fighters - look at B17 raids before and after fighter escorts. And that is B17 not some wooden crate made stalinium Pe2.

 

That doesn't follow. "B-17 raids before and after escorts" compare the difficulty of shooting down B-17 without escort and a B-17 with escort. Obviously the same plane with escort is more difficult to shoot down than without.

 

What Sshadow is comparing is the difficulty of shooting down a bomber vs the difficulty of shooting down a fighter. Two different planes. And it's not a crazy idea that an armored, multi-engine bomber is more difficult to shoot down than a light single-engine fighter.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

YES

bombers were always easier to kill that fighters - look at B17 raids before and after fighter escorts. And that is B17 not some wooden crate made stalinium Pe2.

Lol Even a wellington will take hundreds of times the bullets a 190 or 109 could absorb.

 

But a bad example ignoring american and war time propaganda to sell war bonds (purpose of b17)

the Wellington was a much better bomber tho Lancaster was probably the best in WW2

(ignoring propaganda like i said, so ignoring anything on Discovery/History channel)

Edited February 9, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14

[Semir]

That doesn't follow. "B-17 raids before and after escorts" compare the difficulty of shooting down B-17 without escort and a B-17 with escort. Obviously the same plane with escort is more difficult to shoot down than without.

 

What Sshadow is comparing is the difficulty of shooting down a bomber vs the difficulty of shooting down a fighter. Two different planes. And it's not a crazy idea that an armored, multi-engine bomber is more difficult to shoot down than a light single-engine fighter.

 

 

It was estimated that it took approx 20 hits with a 20mm cannon to bring down B17. You'd be lucky if Pe2 will go down after 20 20mm hits. Problem isn't with taking more ammo to bring them down but with crazy accurate gunners that snipe you and unrealistically tough airframe. B17 flew in multiple box formations and had multiple .50 cals against fighters and still were brought down in droves. I see a single pe2 take out 2 109s and be able to crash land without killing a pilot.

 

Attacking a bomber takes no skill from the bomber pilot and every bit of skill from the fighter to try and survive the encounter.

Edited February 9, 2017 by Semir

[curiousGamblerr]

It was estimated that it took approx 20 hits with a 20mm cannon to bring down B17. You'd be lucky if Pe2 will go down after 20 20mm hits. Problem isn't with taking more ammo to bring them down but with crazy accurate gunners that snipe you and unrealistically tough airframe. B17 flew in multiple box formations and had multiple .50 cals against fighters and still were brought down in droves. I see a single pe2 take out 2 109s and be able to crash land without killing a pilot.

 

Attacking a bomber takes no skill from the bomber pilot and every bit of skill from the fighter to try and survive the encounter.

 

Ummm... to quote you from another thread...

 

 

Its amazing when you can just ignore the post entirely and reply something not related and feel good about it... You should try paying more attention.

 

[Semir]

Ummm... to quote you from another thread...

 

Cheers for the quote, didn't have to write one myself here.

 

If you do not see how I attempt to show to you the falsehood of the "bombers are more difficult to shoot down than fighters" then I do not know what else to say...

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Semir i think you have been corrupted by WT too much..

Just taking off in most bombers takes more skill than half the fighters in the game.

As for kill them its often 10 times harder to kill a fighter with a bombers limited gun arc and firing ability on the tail of a plane (as you barely get a shot on him unless he is a fool who sits on your 6)
Than it is for him to simply dive in at an angle your guns cant reach and shoot you down often first pass if the pilot is semi decent...

This is not WT where bombers can see all around from gunner,
This is not WT where guns are modified for balance and bombers they mounted on. (they are historical copies BALANCE IGNORED)
This is not WOWP

Edited February 9, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14

[hames123]

Lol Even a wellington will take hundreds of times the bullets a 190 or 109 could absorb.

 

But a bad example ignoring american and war time propaganda to sell war bonds (purpose of b17)

the Wellington was a much better bomber tho Lancaster was probably the best in WW2

(ignoring propaganda like i said, so ignoring anything on Discovery/History channel)

The Lancaster was a much better plane, it had 4 engines, a longer range and a bigger bombload. It was the lancaster, more than any other plane, that won the air war over the reich, but razing cities and towns in the darkness. The Wellington was a good plane, but was a tactical bomber(not a Close Air Support plane), better at hitting targets behind the front(supply dumps).

[Scojo]

YES

bombers were always easier to kill that fighters - look at B17 raids before and after fighter escorts. And that is B17 not some wooden crate made stalinium Pe2.

Did you also check LW losses when attacking bombers?

 

It was estimated that it took approx 20 hits with a 20mm cannon to bring down B17. You'd be lucky if Pe2 will go down after 20 20mm hits. Problem isn't with taking more ammo to bring them down but with crazy accurate gunners that snipe you and unrealistically tough airframe. B17 flew in multiple box formations and had multiple .50 cals against fighters and still were brought down in droves. I see a single pe2 take out 2 109s and be able to crash land without killing a pilot.

 

Attacking a bomber takes no skill from the bomber pilot and every bit of skill from the fighter to try and survive the encounter.

B-17 =/= Pe-2. The Pe-2 was designed as a high altitude fighter escort first. It's fast, it's nimble, it's durable so obviously it would be hard to take down.

 

It takes a good amount of skill from a Pe-2 to avoid getting taken out. If you don't maneuver or jink while also trying to give your gunner a good shot, you always come down.

 

I've never seen a Pe-2 take out 2 109s using no skill. When I do see that, it's because the Pe-2 pilot used his skill to throw off the 109s and get one out of position so he could bring at least one down with a good front gun salvo.

 

Out of all my Pe-2 missions, I've never survived 2 fighters attacking me, unless one was just bad and let me get behind them for a shot.

 

In all my sorties my AI gunner has only killed roughly 4 enemy fighters. When I usually kill fighters with my gunner position, it's because I'm in the gunner seat, not the AI.

 

And I've never seen a snipe out of an AI gunner in the Pe-2. The gun people say this happens most with is the belly gun, but I try my damnest to give that gunner a shot and he's never killed a fighter for me. it's always been my top gun after I've maneuvered to give him a good shot while also maneuvering and jinking the best I can to throw off the fighter.

 

If you're getting sniped that often, you're doing something wrong, or the Pe-2s you're attacking most often have a pilot who switched to the gunner position to hit you.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

Its ok LuftWuffles i will keep trying to help and carry the team as much as i can stand.

Tho at times you lot drive me wacky and i feel like turning around and bombing your own AF as a lesson to you 109 pilots

Please when you see me out there in the Wild Blue
HELP ME HELP YOU WIN!! (Its not about kill stats its about winning the war against those commies!!)

Febs Contribution


 

Edited February 10, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14

[=EXPEND=CG_Justin]

Wow....3 pages of this.

 

Here's a very simplified flow chart of what I do on WoL.

 

[Am I enjoying myself?]-->[Yes]-->[continue flying]-->[stop]

 

[Am I enjoying myself?]-->[No]-->[discontinue flying]-->[disconnect from server]-->[find other option]-->[resume enjoyment]-->[stop]

 

If neither of these work then I go and sit amongst the ashes of my shame for not creating my own server, with my own rules....and blackjack....and hookers.....and, oh wait. I got carried away, but you get the point.

 

Either way, keep up the discussion folks. If I don't find entertainment on WoL, it's sure to be found in this thread.

[EAF_Starfire]

The toughness of the Pe2 is incredible in this game. So it the vulnerability of the Bf110.

 

In the old IL-2 1946 the situation was reversed.

Pe2s was a lot easier to kill. It cought fire fast and when that happen you had to bail fast or the aircraft would explode. One engine flying was a pain as the aircraft had a serious tendency to roll over even with the rudder trimmed. 

Where as the Bf110G-2 could take a lot of punishment. Engines fire could be put out with the fire-extinguishers.    

[[_FLAPS_]Grim]

I almost exclusive fly Stukas and 110s on WoL and enjoy the task.

I wouldnt have a problem with 90% of my team dog fighting and ignoring red bombers, if the guys would at least get air superiority about the red targets so I can do my job better.

On my way home I will try and mess around with those bad Il2´s and Pe´s (in the 110).