really disappointing that the LW only dog fights on WOL

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

12/4/16

 

20 109 pilots and just disappointing that they don't fly the missions but only come in here to dogfight for stats.

Edited December 5, 2016 by 71st_AH_Mastiff

[novicebutdeadly]

In regards to the original post,

 

Not to be argumentative, but rather to get your point of view, what is wrong with LW people only wanting to dog fight?

Unfortunately due to ping and server times (I live in Australia so in WOL I usually have a ping of 380....) I rarely see many people online, so when I finally get a game I want to play in a way that will be fun for me,

Don't get me wrong, in the original il2 I played on the Battlefield1 server and regularly flew bombers (Bastogne, Norway/ any map where I could bomb ships or proper defences were absolutely fantastic). However in this sim I just don't get the same thrill from bombing (maybe it will change with Kuban and having proper ships to bomb).

I understand your frustration that they aren't really playing in the spirit of the game by having a balanced force, but at the end of the day it's a game that people want to play in a way that will be fun for them.

[71st_AH_Mastiff]

In regards to the original post,

 

Not to be argumentative, but rather to get your point of view, what is wrong with LW people only wanting to dog fight?

 

Unfortunately due to ping and server times (I live in Australia so in WOL I usually have a ping of 380....) I rarely see many people online, so when I finally get a game I want to play in a way that will be fun for me,

 

Don't get me wrong, in the original il2 I played on the Battlefield1 server and regularly flew bombers (Bastogne, Norway/ any map where I could bomb ships or proper defences were absolutely fantastic). However in this sim I just don't get the same thrill from bombing (maybe it will change with Kuban and having proper ships to bomb).

 

I understand your frustration that they aren't really playing in the spirit of the game by having a balanced force, but at the end of the day it's a game that people want to play in a way that will be fun for them.

Which makes me appreciate the Single player aspect even more.

Edited December 5, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

BEWARE: huffy-puffy-foot-stompy-arms-crossy old men in this thread.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

C'mon i have my popcorn

[71st_AH_Gamecock]

It would be nice to have more of a mix of fighters and bombers. Some times server gets too populated by just fighters or too many players on just one side.  Maybe an auto-balance feature would be nice. Is there any possibility of having AI bombers and/or attack a/c? That would make everyone happy. Well maybe everyone. LOL Why the personal attacks guys? No need for that. 

Now if I can just get the damn Yak to turn left without doing a ballet move. #$@&!!!!!

Edited December 5, 2016 by 71st_AH_Gamecock

[Nocke]

Anyways, why WOL? If you enjoy flying the missions there is TAW, InWar, Random Expert+, the Finnish virtual pilots, FNBF, ...

Let them have their dogfights over there.

[BraveSirRobin]

Let them have their dogfights over there.

There are plenty of people flying ground attack on WOL. I'm often one of them.

[L3Pl4K]

 

 

20 109 pilots and just disappointing that they don't fly the missions but only come in here to dogfight for stats.

Sounds familiar,most times more, sometimes less.

[SYN_Haashashin]

Hi all,

 

I just cleaned this one up.

 

BSR and Mastiff, you both need to take 10 seconds before posting such responses one to each other. Im tired of some behaviours around here. Next time I wont be so "nice" about it.

[GridiroN]

Not really true bud,

 

Most of the people on WoL either fly in small teamspeak groups, or they fly single. 

 

I'd also say both Russians and Germans play the objectives these days. We had issues before where the Luftwaffe was stacked with like 40 newbie 109 pilots and they'd get wrecked by 5 VVS experts and a PE2. I mean, we'd lose a season like 211/30, but now it's getting a lot better. We win way more often. Last week we won a ton of maps. 

[SOLIDKREATE]

But it is frustrating when only myself and maybe 3-4 other people in the Ground pounder's are trying to win. I see every single 109 pilot except for a couple, take off anywhere they please on the AF. I have been hit numerous times from a cross field 109.

 

 

On my server, lone wolves are punished by Flak and AA. You need team work to beat the map. And it is impossible to cross field take off =o).

Edited January 4, 2017 by SPEKTRE76

[VBF-12_Snake9]

Wol has objectives. What? Lol

 

 

 

It is a dogfight server. It is what it is. Mostly oldhands wrecking first timers.

[Matthias_PDX]

^^ exactly. I'm surprised anyone takes WoL seriously at this point.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

LOl "Its a dogfighting server"

Read the mission/rules

Fighters: "Your objective is to cover your bombers and attackers"

Thats it period nothing else really.
(Re: i not flown a fighter yet in WoL at all really, Tho i did chase down a wounded lagg and kill it with my Stuka and also a peshka)

Edited January 6, 2017 by =r4t=Sshadow14

[VBF-12_Snake9]

^^ exactly. I'm surprised anyone takes WoL seriously at this point.

Shadow apparently does.     

[Matthias_PDX]

And lost the campaign anyways. It's a shame. Maybe you should consider another server? There are other servers I have played that are more competitive and need players. 

 

I wouldn't keep showing your stats btw. Just saying....

Edited January 6, 2017 by MatthiasAlpha

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

And lost the campaign anyways. It's a shame. Maybe you should consider another server? There are other servers I have played that are more competitive and need players. 

 

I wouldn't keep showing your stats btw. Just saying....

My stats are fine for only having owned the game a whole 10 days or so now.

Much Much worse stats would be 500 air killes and only 10 ground kills (THAT IS TERRIBLE STATS)

 

 

[Matthias_PDX]

Maybe, but let's not hijack the topic with this please.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

That is the topic..

That there are too many Dog fighters and not enough Strategic players

[Major_Issue]

Why bother shooting down bombers? Since they only respawn quicker youre helping them. Thats why suicide bombers are so effective: No penalty when dying or capture so you bomb, get out and repeat. Thats why so many people dont care about the objectives.

Why bother shooting down bombers? Since they only respawn quicker youre helping them. Thats why suicide bombers are so effective: No penalty when dying or capture so you bomb, get out and repeat. Thats why so many people dont care about the objectives.

[Matthias_PDX]

I was referring to you posting your stats and my original point stands. People should play another server if they're looking to be a bit more serious about the goals of the campaign.

 

At any rate, I've already spent more time on this subject than I care to. Have fun. 

Edited January 7, 2017 by MatthiasAlpha

[JG13_opcode]

Fellas, if you want a more strategic play style, you need to find yourselves an online war.

 

Dogfight servers are for dogfighting. WoL is just Berloga with longer flight times and ground targets, and when I'm on WoL I'm there to shoot down some aircraft, not to fret about winning or losing mission #12315 of 93849312. Winning a season on WOL ultimately means nothing. I didn't even know they had seasons.

 

Just enjoy farting around and play seriously elsewhere.

Edited January 8, 2017 by JG13_opcode

[BraveSirRobin]

WoL is just Berloga with longer flight times and ground targets

Lol

 

So, basically, it's nothing like Berloga.

[Willy__]

 

 

Lol So, basically, it's nothing like Berloga.

 

It is in the sense that nobody cares about the objectives.  

[JG13_opcode]

It is in the sense that nobody cares about the objectives.  

 

This

[VBF-12_Snake9]

 

 

My stats are fine for only having owned the game a whole 10 days or so now.

 

This is what I find the most on WOL.  Nothing is wrong with new guys playing on a server.  It's good that new guys have a place to go and mess around.  Last time I flew on the server I got shot at more by friendlies than bandits.      This game needs a "new players" server.  Most people don't take WOL seriously.  It's just a place to go bang around. 

 

 

 

Mostly oldhands wrecking first timers.

 

[GridiroN]

I don't feel like people don't care about objectives on WoL. People actually get pretty into it. There is really no difference between WoL and TaW other than TaW doesn't give you a GPS, and WoL is more forgiving of wasting planes. 

 

The primary issue with WoL, in my opinion, and this has been the case since I started playing about 5-700 hrs ago, is that the Russian team is almost always so heavily skillpot stacked that the Luftwaffe have no initiative and mostly play defence, with not much team work. 

 

The dynamic totally changes when the German team actually has the skill to roll to an area of the map, establish aerial dominance, and get their bombers in. 

[BraveSirRobin]

It is in the sense that nobody cares about the objectives.  

 

If by "nobody", you mean the people posting that nobody cares about the objectives.  Because the people trying to bomb the objectives seem to care.

 

 Most people don't take WOL seriously.  

 

Most people don't take any servers seriously.  It's just a game.

[JG13_opcode]

If by "nobody", you mean the people posting that nobody cares about the objectives. Because the people trying to bomb the objectives seem to care.

Based on the volume of complaining on these forums I'd estimate a great deal of blue pilots don't care about the objectives.

[Aap]

Based on the volume of complaining on these forums I'd estimate a great deal of blue pilots don't care about the objectives.

 

Well, blue team has destroyed 26275 ground targets in a little bit more than a week during this month. Red has destroyed 27434 ground targets during the same time. I wonder how that happened, if it is only a dogfighting server and nobody cares about objectives.

[JG13_opcode]

I think it's obvious that Staiger didn't mean literally zero people care.

 

He was employing hyperbole.

[Aap]

I understand that he wanted to generalize and did not mean "nobody" literally, but even with that generalization it seems like too wild exaggeration. 

 

Let's just take a look at stats.

WoL has been running 8 days this month - 27694 + 26480 (red+blue) ground targets destroyed in total .

RE+ has been running 4 days this campaign - 12922 + 21412 (red+blue) ground targets destroyed in total. Blue has big bombs available here.

 

Berloga - 0 ground targets destroyed.

 

While obviously WoL is more casual server than RE+ or TAW, there are clearly people who are destroying ground targets and it is definitely closer to RE+ or TAW than Berloga, where the only point is instant action dogfight.

[VBF-12_Snake9]

What is the title of this thread. I didn't start it. Lol

[BraveSirRobin]

Based on the volume of complaining on these forums I'd estimate a great deal of blue pilots don't care about the objectives.

Basing your conclusions on forum whining is probably not the best way to go. I agree that there are probably more Russian ground attackers than German, but I have no idea why anyone thinks that is a WoL issue.

[curiousGamblerr]

My foray onto the Axis side the past two weekends has suggested it's less about a lack of bombers, and more about fighters not playing the objectives. By this I mean there is less escorting and defending than on the VVS side. There were a couple times I was a lone fighter over our last target, with the rest of the fighter force nowhere to be found. (Alternatively, the fighters might be trying to defend, but the lack of coordination leads to them being fed one by one to better coordinated VVS fighter groups working together, so we each arrive on target alone and are quickly shot down).

 

It goes without saying this is a generalization, and probably more often the case during North American time zones when I play, but that's just a guess.

[BraveSirRobin]

When I'm flying a Pe2 or IL2 there never seems to be a lack of German fighters defending targets.

[=TBAS=Sshadow14]

easy way to fix it..
people won't like it tho.
 

[Boaty-McBoatface]

easy way to fix it..

people won't like it tho.

 

Is that to ban all bombers?

 

I thought the fighter stats jocks would love that.

 

No playing team objectives allowed, big swinging egos only; a stats junkies' paradise.

Edited January 11, 2017 by B0SS

[Ace_Pilto]

Mastiff, the solution is simple. If you don't like it, stop going there. I don't want to sound harsh, your point is as old as the hills and I understand it fully. Personally I like WoL it's a good for a quick fix or warm up to more serious fun but it's not the be all end all.

 

My suggestion is to help to populate one of the servers that does the things that you like and you'll find that you attract like minded people after a while. You'd be amazed how one player consistently putting up some hours in an alternative server can make a difference but so few people are prepared to make the effort and seed the empty or low player servers. The more people who put an hour or two into an empty server the bigger the chance of that attendance starting to snowball becomes.

 

By the way, I fly Red more often than not and I go to WoL for specifically for dogfights most of the time too so it's unfair to suggest that it's a LW thing. It's a player choice. Yes, I know WoL is set up a certain way that implies that there's supposed to be some kind of mission to fulfill but the reality of how people play there is different to what the mission parameters suggest. It's funny because I have the opposite problem, I find it annoying when people steamroll map after map in their bombers, smashing the same targets they've bombed a thousand times for the easy points before I can get a few good bounces in, but that's life. I choose to play in that server and I choose to leave the bombers for other guys to attack when I see them because pwning big slow targets is something that younger players need to do to get experience. Take the good with the bad.

 

If years of flight sims have taught me anything it's that you can't police the way people choose to enjoy themselves, especially not by complaining, you have to get out there and work on providing popular alternatives.