IL2 CSI: Yak 1b TARAN Damage Model

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

Anyone having problems with Stalinwood soviet fighters ?? Invencible planes ?? Cheat or bug ?? What do you think ??

 

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCCm15nt23iXCYlRJS9b5-gg

 

 

 

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

CSI? So we are in court now are we?

In that case I would quote Mr Matlock.. " Objection you honor - leading question"

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Online or offline? If the former, it's netcode. If offline, looks like a bug, probably because the plane is new. During my test ride I crashed onto Ju-52s a good few times and exploded right away. Send a PM to the developers with the video

 

We had a funny incident during a squadron practice flight in Il-2s, when Xenos and I got a little too close for comfort and smashed onto each other. Two seconds pass and my wing snaps together with parts of the fuselage and I go down, while Xenos flew merrily along with no damage. I've also had Bf-109s smash onto me at high speeds and keep flying while I crumbled in pieces.

[kendo]

Seen that collision bug thing many times. Usually my plane, whatever it happens to be, is trashed while the other plane is totally undamaged. Sometimes though it's the reverse. 

[216th_Jordan]

One video and you are making a showcase of this?

 

First this belongs into another section, second you are pushing your own propaganda and spill oil into the fire. "Crime Scene", "Stalinwood", "CSI" just screams bias from your side.

Do some real comparable tests with the same conditions repeated several times. Stuff like this needs to stop.

 

Hope this gets locked soon as it should find no stage. If you mean this as something funny, given the history, I don't think it is.

There are people spending precious time doing those tests accurately and they also get dragged into the mud.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

If something big like no damage ramming was not noticed before, it seems the game needs better testers. Unfortunately for you I am not breaking any forum rules and the video is posted on every major SIM forum.

 

The channel will go on analyzing the game good and bad points. Try to imagine it like a quality control from community. The objective is to help and improve the game.

[Matt]

I just tested it 5 times and the damage model worked fine every time. If you believe you're better tester, go ahead and make a report. State when and how it happened.

 

Also yeah, it's on the other forums, because you posted it there and even registered on the forums just for that feat alone. So you really seem to be very interested in improving this game.

Edited December 3, 2016 by Matt

[ITAF_Cymao]

 

 

If something big like no damage ramming was not noticed before, it seems the game needs better testers. Unfortunately for you I am not breaking any forum rules and the video is posted on every major SIM forum. The channel will go on analyzing the game good and bad points. Try to imagine it like a quality control from community. The objective is to help and improve the game.

+1

 

Many have written about the inefficiency of german weapons or the incredible strength of the russian aircrafts, will be only emotions or feelings, but sometimes emotions or feelings can be right.

Always the same people who say that everything is right, then maybe after months and months they will tell us that there is a mistake, and that will be solved in the coming months...

Better to have an open mind than to ask to close a discussion

 

S!

[Cybermat47]

Seeing as it's a brand new plane, and you only showed us one crash, there's not much to go on. This is a bug that will be fixed, simple.

 

Also, where is this stuff about Soviet aircraft being invincible coming from? I've taken down a MiG with a short burst from a 15mm HMG at about 600m away, and I've set multiple MiGs and I-16s on fire just with the twin 7.92mms.

[Demon_]

it seems the game needs better testers.

the video is posted on every major SIM forum.

The objective is to help and improve the game.

The channel will go on analyzing the game good points.

Try to imagine...

 

Please, delete this clown.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Demon_

[Cybermat47]

...and the video is posted on every major SIM forum.

 

But... it isn't. I checked ATAG, the Eagle Dynamics forum, and even Subsim, but it's not there.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Clearly lag and a one way collision. Nothing more to it. It's been seen many times.

 

 

These silly claims just dilute the actual real issues we have with damage models and weapon effectiveness.

[Dakpilot]

Why is it when someone involved in a silly argument here and is beaten down with facts, they seemingly often then feel the need to go and spam other forums with one sided "pseudo" test video's with leading emotive words such as Stalinwood and underlying suggestions of bias.

 

If you were really serious about wanting the game to improve you would have done a number of repeatable tests yourself and asked for others to do the same and then submitted a bug report

 

However you chose to post this video at multiple other sites before posting here

 

How is stirring up negative publicity on other sites supposed to "help and improve the game"

 

You belong to a squad which has done much to benefit the community, I can only imagine most of them are cringing at your efforts

 

Sad...

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

Many have written about the inefficiency of german weapons or the incredible strength of the russian aircrafts

 

 

But this example is clearly not related to the above. What happened here was a 'netcode' issue, nothing to do with the damage model.

 

Here is an assumption of what occurred -

Client 'A' and Client 'B' see each other in slightly different positions. Collision only occurs from client 'A' perspective. Client A reports its own structural damage due to a collision back to the server. Client 'B' sees no collision as the planes miss each other barely, and continues to fly on without issue and not reporting structural failure.

 

The fact that the server doesn't then go back and tell client 'B' - nope sorry, you did collide is a dserver/netcode problem. But what is the correct answer anyway?  Should both or neither be destroyed? as from client B's perspective he didn't hit anyone. If neither then you see planes fly through each other and it looks odd. If both, then you have planes exploding and loosing wings without having seen any collision.  What about an intentional collision (for those desperate enough to try) - do you just fly through something and miss?

 

I think that its done right. It sucks, but if you don't see something fly into you then how can you avoid it.

Only thing that could be improved is positional accuracy. Latency and packet loss will always make that difficult to make accurate positional predictions and its actually quite well done now.

Edited December 5, 2016 by Tripwire

[mb339pan]

netcode fail

[150GCT_Veltro]

Please check the Yak-1b damage model as said above.

 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/log/59996/?tour=4

 

Yesterday evening i have been downed by a Yak-1b that have ripped my Stuka's wing without suffering any damages. It did it intentionally, using its Yak-1b like a knife.

 

I don't think it has been something related to a netcode problem.

Edited December 10, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[IRRE_Centx]

Please check the Yak-1b damage model as said above.

 

http://72ag-ded.ru/en/sortie/log/59996/?tour=4

 

Yesterday evening i have been downed by a Yak-1b that have ripped my Stuka's wing without suffering any damages. It did it intentionally, using its Yak-1b like a knife.

 

I don't think it has been something related to a netcode problem.

 

Knowing this guy, I don't think he did it on purpose.

[150GCT_Veltro]

Is not at problem, don't worry. For my opinion it was intentional but it doesn't matter, i don't blame somebody for this. I'm talking about DM. It was like a knife in the butter, is not possibile really (collision fighter vs Stuka).

 

We (they) need to check this.

[IRRE_Centx]

Is not at problem, don't worry. For my opinion it was intentional but it doesn't matter, i don't blame somebody for this. I'm talking about DM. It was like a knife in the butter, is not possibile really (collision fighter vs Stuka).

 

We (they) need to check this.

 

Well I had the completely inverse scenario some days ago...

I rammed by accident a He111 with my Yak-1b (dived a bit too hard and lost control of my tail right when i tried to avoid him e_e ...)

My Yak literally exploded in pieces when I hitted the tail of the bomber, the He111 flew away like if nothing happened...

 

 

So yeah, it happens, but I guess it's not the DM of the Yak the problem... it's the classic combo "collision/netcode" :/

Edited December 10, 2016 by -IRRE-Centx