Paid Skinpack DLC, wanted!

[Zoring]

Hello lads,

 

Don't get all defensive, but I am keen to have some paid DLC for IL2, specifically skinpacks. I think this will be desirable for campaign and multiplayers who want to have more and more variety and choice and options, plus help the IL2 team earn a little income.

 

Now I understand we can already get the community skins, and that's wonderful that shouldn't go away, quality skins from the community might be included as paid DLC.

 

The advantage of paid skinpacks is that in multiplayer everyone can see your skin even if they hadn't purchased it themselves. In addition it means that we can be guaranteed historically accurate (swastikas included!) and focused skins. They also all get downloaded through the launcher/steam, easy!

 

The details would be worked out by the IL2 team, however I imagine a good concept might be entire squadrons, say the entire of JG-52 with all of the unit numbers, so when you fly them in the new campaign, they all have their correct numbers on the fuselage, plus you can select the number you want from 1-12 or whatever.

 

There is no disadvantage to it, since it's up to each player if they want to pay for the skins or not.

 

Edited November 26, 2016 by Zoring

[Rolling_Thunder]

And what about the folk who have limited disk space? What about those folk who don't want to see the swastika?

[Zoring]

A checkbox that says don't download additional skins.

 

Also people who are willing to play a WW2 game were you murder human beings but are squeamish about a bendy cross aren't being very logical.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Zoring

[SCG_motoadve]

A checkbox that says don't download additional skins.

 

Also people who are willing to play a WW2 game were you murder human beings but are squeamish about a bendy cross aren't being very logical.

Agreed.

[Yakdriver]

 

 

In addition it means that we can be guaranteed historically accurate (swastikas included!) and focused skins. They also all get downloaded through the launcher/steam, easy!

Exactly the other way around.
this product, and many many other products do NOT have the "hakenkrussen" because of business and Law and Regulations and the Devteam getting sued and stuff.
Is NISCHT Gut.

[Zoring]

Ah yes but I was thinking in terms of steams regional locking ability. This product is not available in your country has been seen on my Australian account. Plus it would be easy enough to do a correct and historical aberration for poorly defined reasons editions of skin packs

[Neil]

They better do a law which prevent to do wars instead of creating those useless laws which make our hobby more complicated.

By the way, I think the "regional lock ability" is a good idea.

[Zoring]

I don't understand why the Finnish swastika is censored actually... but I guess that's not this topic haha

[Juri_JS]

From a single player mission builders point of view commercial skin packs are problematic, because you can't legally distribute the commercial skins together with your missions. And if you use them in your missions without including them in the download, only players that have bought the skins will see them in the mission.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Nice ideal but i'd rather see some top notch standard skins without decals, and be able to choose ID lettering over the skins as used in old 46. The problem (weel, nuisance rather) now is that we are all bound to use same skins with identical IDs and that is .. well yeah; it is a problem. Hard to keep tags who's who.... sure: we in svaf have skin packs in order to ID eachother, but it doesn't help when we are cooperating with guys online who don't have our pack..

 

When using squad packs we also end up with the first standard skin for those who don't have our pack.. including enemies, and flying summerskin on wintermap is a downer.

 

Sorry... OT but that's how I Feel/hope for.

[Cybermat47]

Nah mate, they should just brimg back the old RoF system of compiling community skins into free downloadable packs.

 

Hopefully they bring it back to RoF, too... it's been over 500 days since the last pack, and there are plenty of new skins

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Nah mate, they should just brimg back the old RoF system of compiling community skins into free downloadable packs.

 

Hopefully they bring it back to RoF, too... it's been over 500 days since the last pack, and there are plenty of new skins

yeah but again... skins tage a HUGE toll on disk space... and if they intend to go for higher res.... man that will sink many computers

[Sunde]

yeah but again... skins tage a HUGE toll on disk space... and if they intend to go for higher res.... man that will sink many computers

cmon a skinpack cant possible be more than 500mb? If your PC cant handle that, it might be time to delete some stuff.   

[Rolling_Thunder]

 

Also people who are willing to play a WW2 game were you murder human beings but are squeamish about a bendy cross aren't being very logical.

They can look the other way and go tell their mommy and daddy how their feelings are hurt. If they get upset from seeing a symbol it's entirely their problem.

cmon a skinpack cant possible be more than 500mb? If your PC cant handle that, it might be time to delete some stuff.

 

Not the most convincing arguments. How about having the skin packs separate from the launcher download. That way there's no need for the checkbox and those that want the skin packs can press the download button. Edited November 26, 2016 by Rolling_Blunder

[Yakdriver]

Ah yes but I was thinking in terms of steams regional locking ability. This product is not available in your country has been seen on my Australian account. Plus it would be easy enough to do a correct and historical aberration for poorly defined reasons editions of skin packs

Look - so why make skins that one can not sell in UK, US, DE, FR, GR, the whole bloody EU... why even bother?

They made it simple: no swastikas in their product basta.

No Swastika, no problem. anything else = problem.

 

I would suggest you better forget about that particular aspect of your idea.

[Yakdriver]

cmon a skinpack cant possible be more than 500mb? If your PC cant handle that, it might be time to delete some stuff.   

5,03 GB here.

In higher Res (4096) that would be 21,2 GB

Reality check... my fully updated windblows folder is 23,8GB.

although space is not an issue since  i have a separate drive for Games... not everyone has 4 Disks in their Rig.

 

20+ Gigs only for skins if i had a single 256GB SSD... no way.

,,,without the guarantee that all online players have and can see the skins... why bother if it might be completely useless unless all my teammates also pay the price?

 

also think of the number of skins: 1 Luftie squad is some 20-30 planes x a number of squads = enormous amount of scrolling in the GUI.

 

Let the community do the painting.

Let the Devs Dev.

[Yakdriver]

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Nazi symbols are only banned in a handful of countries in Europe. Out of those countries you listed, only Germany bans nazi symbols. If you want to go down that road then why isn't the red star censored? It and some other soviet symbols are banned in a bunch of European countries as well. As you can see, political censoring quickly becomes a slippery slope.

 

But the thing is, this is a simulator that simulates WW2. Aircraft did have these marking painted on them. That's true whether you like it or not. They are part of the history. Whenever I jump in an aircraft in the sim I do it because I like the particular aeroplane, not because I agree with the ideology of the country that produced it lol.

 

The whole censorship thing is just beyond ridiculous. When you commit to the path of censorship, then who gets to decide what is going to get banned? Why isn't the christian cross banned in Germany? The supporters of that particular mythology killed lots of people in the past so why not ban that symbol too? By their logic that's what should be done lol.

 

off point.

nazi symbols on DLC skins.  Not happening. Not happened in the past for business reasons. not happening now  for same.

 

why is the US roundel and the British roundel not banned either? the brits started the idea of concentration camps in WWI and the Yanks also rounded up "potential spies" on a whim in WWII.

plus... GUANTANAMOOOOOO.

Why is not ANY roundel banned.

why do we have these war games at all?

These games make people kill other people!

you are all Killers!!!!!!!

Please make Hello kitty DLC to appease our complexes and provide safe spaces.

 

dude.

has the flightsim community not presented these arguments for decades?

This horse is dead. Why some cannot accept that fact, i do not get it.

 

DLC with Swastikas... not happened in the past. not happening today (as in, BoS, BoM, DCS, what have you...) ... and not happening in the near future.

But but but...

 

let it go.

 

but swastika was a good luck symbol... let it go.

but the finns...  let it go.

but the hindou... let it go...

That means that white men are evil because they took something good and turned it into something bad... Yes white men are evil.

 

neeeeext.

[Rolling_Thunder]

off point.

nazi symbols on DLC skins.  Not happening. Not happened in the past for business reasons. not happening now  for same.

why is the US roundel and the British roundel not banned either? the brits started the idea of concentration camps in WWI and the Yanks also rounded up "potential spies" on a whim in WWII.

plus... GUANTANAMOOOOOO.

Why is not ANY roundel banned.

why do we have these war games at all?

These games make people kill other people!

you are all Killers!!!!!!!

Please make Hello kitty DLC to appease our complexes and provide safe spaces.

 

dude.

has the flightsim community not presented these arguments for decades?

This horse is dead. Why some cannot accept that fact, i do not get it.

DLC with Swastikas... not happened in the past. not happening today (as in, BoS, BoM, DCS, what have you...) ... and not happening in the near future.

But but but...

let it go.

but swastika was a good luck symbol... let it go.

but the finns...  let it go.

but the hindou... let it go...

That means that white men are evil because they took something good and turned it into something bad... Yes white men are evil.

neeeeext.

+1 but it was the Boer war that we brits introduced concentration camps.

[LukeFF]

Oh look, it's the ol' swastika argument.

[Sunde]

Oh look, it's the ol' swastika argument.

O' look, someone is adding nothing to a forum discussion (as usual). 

 

And now, neither am i. (guilty) 

[AndyJWest]

Swastikas in official products? Not going to happen. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "la la la, I can't hear you" won't make the reasons for this (explained in multiple prior threads) go away.

 

As for the rest of the proposal, I'm not convinced that it would make much money for developers, given the ease by which such paid content could be copied for free. 

[DD_Arthur]

Oh look, it's the ol' swastika argument.

 

Yeah....huge yawn....  

 

@Zorin;  personally, not sure I see a need for paid skinpacks.  If you check out the user made skins section there is now a large collection of high quality work available from some very talented people.  Will buying skins really improve that?

 

Fwiw I like this system of individual download - much better than the skin pack system used in RoF in my opinion.

 

Fact is, we might get improvements to the decal system but the team are flat out with higher priorities for the forseeable future. 

[Yakdriver]

+1 but it was the Boer war that we brits introduced concentration camps.

okay you got me, i was going by vague memories.

Guilty as charged

[Cybermat47]

O' look, someone is adding nothing to a forum discussion (as usual). :

He is adding something. He's expressing how goddamn played out and useless this whole argument is.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

...aren't we very close to Godwin's law now?

[LukeFF]

He is adding something. He's expressing how goddamn played out and useless this whole argument is.

 

Indeed. Mueller, this argument is as old as flight sims are, and the answers have always been the same. 

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by LukeFF

[Muddy]

I've given enough money already,

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Jason already said no for a variety of business reasons. This would have to be a community project I think.

[Yakdriver]

yea whatever. There is no way to fight back against the toxic pc culture anymore. It has already gotten into video games

There is!

but that is a fight/evolution that can not be started on a Game Forum.

 

Taking the example of the Hakenkreuz, i would say that Humans need to understand what happened (lessons in History) and to then remain aware of how the World got to that point back in the days - manipulation by politicians and being unable to resist these promises.

The next step would be to finally get into our heads the fact that "banning a symbol" to prevent such errors is as effective as a busted condom.

Banning the Cross does not help - being brought up as a decent human being does.

The next step would be to talk to our politicians and convince them that these Bans are ineffective or counter productive. (I´m a rebel, imma gonna get a HK tattooed between my bloody eyebrows!)

 

Then we do not need any censorship or political correctness any more - because we have learned to deal with history, and to respect people that are different from ourselves in a proper way, and we have learned to find better mechanisms than "out of sight, out of mind".

We would have become thick-skinned enough to not be offended  999 times a day.

 

All that for a DLC with hakencrosses.

not gonna happen if you ask me. Not in our lifetime.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2016 by Yakdriver

[Habu]

I 'll don't pay for skinpack.

[Zoring]

Well let's not all get too excited about the Hakenkreuz here, the topic should be about paid DLC, it will make money and it's optional for players, so why not.

[SCG_Space_Ghost]

Well let's not all get too excited about the Hakenkreuz here, the topic should be about paid DLC, it will make money and it's optional for players, so why not.

 

The HK is an important part of creating an accurate historical representation of LW aircraft. I wouldn't pay for skins at all let alone skins that don't have an HK.

[Guest deleted@30725]

 

 

Don't get all defensive.

 

 

Too late

Edited November 28, 2016 by deleted@30725

[Yakdriver]

cuz it wont make money, and unless everyone has it, its effect is near nil.
Might just as well grab a custom paintjob by the community or assemble your own pack...

same thing, but without the finance aspect.
+... you can have your funny cross as big as you like.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Yakdriver

[Gambit21]

I and many others created hundreds of high quality skins for the old IL2.

We're not going to pay for skins after experienced that model.

[Zoring]

I also created hundreds of skins for il2 and rof ir doesn't invalidate the idea of a organised official skinpacks regionally locked that everyone can see.

[Riderocket]

I downloaded all the skin packs on rise of flight, it was around 80GB.

 

They were all free.

 

And I didn't have to download them.

 

Other people who had them could see my skins and vise versa.

 

Would I pay for it?... No

[YoYo]

It isn't good idea.

Dislike too.

[A-E-Hartmann]

For my part, I do not see why I would pay for skins while I can make them myself.

But the idea of making unit packs complete with historical marking is good. (Available free of charge by the community).

[johncage]

if you want to support the devs, buy extra keys and give them away like people have been doing. asking them to monetize something that won't generate any income since it can be made for free is insanity.