FW-190 Mapping separate MG151's & MG17's

[konate]

Wondering how people map their MG keys for the FW-190.

 

I am trying to map them separately; one as the trigger and the other as a button on top of the stick.  The mapping options are "Fire weapon group 1", which I have set to the trigger, and "Fire weapon group 2", which I have set to the top of the stick (Thrustmaster 16000).

 

This works out as the MG151 firing with the trigger, and nothing firing with the top of the stick (unless I add the MG FF, which fires with that button).

 

Is the only way to fire the MG 17's through the "Fire all guns" option?  I'd like to use them separately.  

[Saurer]

The way it is now is as it was in the real Fw 190. 

 

You couldn't fire the MG 17 separately from the MG 151

[konate]

Rats!  that requires I change it everytime I fly the 109, then....

[Irgendjemand]

Best advice is to not fly the FW at all until its fixed. Read last dev diary. Its porked right now. If you play singleplayer - fine. But competetive MP - rather not:)

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

That is poor advice. It is not correct but when flown within the current flight envelope you can find plenty of success. I know you hate it but don't smear it more than necessary. The lift coefficient and stall are porked. Everything else is done pretty well. I use it almost exclusively with reasonable success and am very much looking forward to the update so I can once again scissor well in it. You just have to use it as an mostly pure boom n zoom and not try to dogfight in a phonebooth with it. Flown with speed and a knowlege of the planes strenths and weaknesses she can be quite devestating.

 

In regard to the OP the inner and cowl guns are on the same trigger. The outboard guns can be fired separately. This is historical.

[Crump]

 

 

Everything else is done pretty well.

 

It is done pretty well.   

[Sokol1]

 

Is the only way to fire the MG 17's through the "Fire all guns" option?  I'd like to use them separately.  

 

If you have historical interest, how things are in Fw 190:

 

 

 

KG 13-B grip on Fw 190:

 

http://208090.homepa...Steuerknueppels

http://germancontrolsticks.blogspot.com.br/2011/04/focke-wulf-fw-190-g-3.html

 

 

A-Knopf:  (trigger) 2x MG 151 (wing-root mounted), [only if installed: 2x MG 17 (fuselage mounted)] = This correspond to game "Weapon Group 1"

B1-Knopf: (top button) [only if installed: 2x MG 151 cannons (wing mounted)] = This correspond to game "Weapon Group 2".

 

 

KG 12-A on Bf 109:

 

A-Knopf: 2x MG 131 (fuselage mounted)

B1-Knopf: 1x MG 151 (engine mounted)

B2-Knopf: drop ordnance

 

With Rüstsatz R6 (two wing-mounted MG 151 cannons):

 

A-Knopf: 2x MG 131 (fuselage mounted) and 1x MG 151 (engine mounted)

B1-Knopf: 2x MG 151 (in wing pods)

B2-Knopf: drop ordnance

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/18115-waffenwahl-fw-190/?do=findComment&comment=288770

 

For just a "triggerhappy" gaming approach the option is use your HOTAS software to make different key profiles for different aircraft.

Wold be good idea add options in game controls options - since are "Greeks and Trojans" around - like are option in RoF, CloD, DCSW.

 

If use a  "3in1" joystick without "keymaper suite", freeware options work well (In true better for the purpose), e.g. Joy2Key, SVMapper, Xpadder...

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2016 by Sokol1

[Turban]

Wondering how people map their MG keys for the FW-190.

 

I am trying to map them separately; one as the trigger and the other as a button on top of the stick.  The mapping options are "Fire weapon group 1", which I have set to the trigger, and "Fire weapon group 2", which I have set to the top of the stick (Thrustmaster 16000).

 

This works out as the MG151 firing with the trigger, and nothing firing with the top of the stick (unless I add the MG FF, which fires with that button).

 

Is the only way to fire the MG 17's through the "Fire all guns" option?  I'd like to use them separately.  

 

The way it is now is as it was in the real Fw 190. 

 

You couldn't fire the MG 17 separately from the MG 151

 

I used to be in the same boat and looked for the same thing (separate mapping) . But it is indeed a feature to match the historical setup, as surprising as it may seem.

 

I did find the dev post mentionning it but I don't remember if details were included. 

 

Was it a techinal reason that had the mgs and the cannons linked ? Or was it a pilot's request ? The second seems hard to imagine but I'm curious if it was the case?

[JG13_opcode]

Tank designed the aircraft to be flown by pilots with minimal training and experience, hence the "one lever" engine control.

 

Probably it was the same sort of decision. It has scads of 20 mm, might as well put it all on the same trigger so that the pilot with 10 hours of training fires all guns in a moment of panic, rather than just the MG17s

[Dakpilot]

Tank designed the aircraft to be flown by pilots with minimal training and experience, hence the "one lever" engine control.

 

Probably it was the same sort of decision. It has scads of 20 mm, might as well put it all on the same trigger so that the pilot with 10 hours of training fires all guns in a moment of panic, rather than just the MG17s

 

Are you sure about that? (not saying you are wrong) I would have imagined when the FW 190 was designed (1937/38) the thought of pilots with minimal training in Luftwaffe was a concept not even considered

 

However giving the Pilot less workload to control the aircraft was more efficient and allowed the Pilot to apply more of his time to  things like combat SA and other problem solving, making it a more effective effective fighter aircraft

 

The Fw 190 was one of the more forward thinking designs at the time

 

Cheers Dakpilot

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

Were all six guns set to the same convergence or were some set differently like the E series 109? On my phone and can't look it up ATM.

[LukeFF]

Were all six guns set to the same convergence or were some set differently like the E series 109? On my phone and can't look it up ATM.

 

They were set up differently.

 

A-2/A-3:

 

 

A-6 (much bigger numbers now):

 

 

A-7/A-8:

 

[JG13_opcode]

Are you sure about that? (not saying you are wrong) I would have imagined when the FW 190 was designed (1937/38) the thought of pilots with minimal training in Luftwaffe was a concept not even considered

 

However giving the Pilot less workload to control the aircraft was more efficient and allowed the Pilot to apply more of his time to  things like combat SA and other problem solving, making it a more effective effective fighter aircraft

 

The Fw 190 was one of the more forward thinking designs at the time

 

Cheers Dakpilot

Based on what I've read, yes, Kurt Tank served in WWI and saw first-hand what wartime conditons are really like. His intent was to make the aircraft much easier to operate by poorly-trained pilots, and much easier to maintain. Evidenced in the design choices like the wing-mounted, inward-retracting landing gear, the fixed pushrods instead of control cables that need constant adjustment, etc.