Pacific Campaigns- What do WE really want to see!

[deleted@31403]

One word:(Carriers)

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Why we could even have the Boomerang.

You got to love Boomerang. It's such an underdog and yet its so unique. Maybe not a beauty like most Autralian girls but if you look at it more than once you notice there is something to it. It was one of my favorite birds in War Thunder, wish to see it here as well.  

 

 

 

The pacific air war was long flights short battles long flights and often one side with such an advantage that the other side did have little or not chance to fight

Sometimes yes, sometimes not. There were aerial battles that lasted days with more and more units being pulled into fray but its true overall - distances are greater because thats the way it is. 

And balance is a matter of plane choices for basic set at least to a some degree. Other part of balance is playerbase but with this nothing can be done, people play the way they want to - and there is nothing wrong about it. 

[Rjel]

Having just finished reading The Cactus Air Force by Thomas G. Miller, Jr. it has really whet my eagerness for the Pacific. The sacrifices of men and machine made by both sides were appalling. Coming so close on the heals of Midway, it definitely helped swing the momentum towards the Allies in the Pacific. There were many facets of the Guadalcanal campaign and many mission types, it would be a natural extension to this series.

 

If Midway comes first, I'd hope this would be hard on its heals. Very similar plane set, lots of action. It would be a worthy choice IMO.

 

 

Edited for spelling, not for content.

Edited November 25, 2016 by Rjel

[Venturi]

I want to see the main American airforce aircraft perform as it should.

[Gambit21]

Regarding flight distances in the Solomons - the map could be, and perhaps should be scaled down. That said flight times became shorter as the Allies moved up the Slot after taking Guadalcanal.

[TheElf]

Regarding flight distances in the Solomons - the map could be, and perhaps should be scaled down. That said flight times became shorter as the Allies moved up the Slot after taking Guadalcanal.

 

And the Japanese shuttled aircraft to operate out of advanced, though primitive bases like, Buin, Kahili, and Munda Point So the long flights from Rabaul could be mitigated in MP server play by map makers.  Still, the flights are long, but the map rapidly shrinks to a more Stalingrad-class size affair.  When the advance up the Solomons begins after the Japanese retreat from Guadalcanal flight distances get shorter.

 

On the plus side for a complimentary Guadalcanal land-based campaign, there were two large Carrier Battles (Eastern Solomons & Santa Cruz), and countless Air assaults on IJN shipping (Fast Transports, barges, convoys, Tokyo Express runs) all around the island.

[Gambit21]

Yep

Plus R-Area Air Force float plane ops around the Solomons. This means ops from those bases, as well as attacking them.

 

We need the Rufe

Edited November 25, 2016 by Gambit21

[Lusekofte]

The dev must shake their heads reading this, we asked for pacific and got it and now we yell I do not want that and this. I really hope they do not take notes, Midway is promised 

In my mind Guadalcanal , New Guinea is a opportunity for the Dev to sell new separate planes and maps , and make money for a next theatre. In my point of view they can milk Pasific a long time , and maybe have a Mediterranean theatre in between, and say oh we lack a little money is there not a medium bomber we can sell for pacific 

[Gambit21]

Nobody is yelling or complaining - get a grip.

Because they listen is why we keep throwing money at them.

CoOps

Career...

 

See how that works?

Edited November 25, 2016 by Gambit21

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

LuseKofte, its not only about Midway but generally game features. There is huge effort and amount of money packed into new campaign mode for BoS/BoM/BoK, however this style of campaign cant be used for Midway. So its a huge investment which would not be used in any form in following expansion. The matter is if except for Midway a normal open land map could be provided for that RoF style campaign and Guadalcanal seems to be a decent option.

[SvAF/F19_Tomten]

I wonder how they are supposed to make a campaign in it, like they are about to do with Kuban, a battle spanning many months, when Midway was over in days.. I mean, there must be something more to this title thank just these days of combat. This will also be a strange setting for multiplayer with the only objective for the player to sink the enemy carriers before your own are sunk. I'm sure they have a plan though, perhaps they will combine a few battles in this title like coral and Guada and make Midway the title because its recognition, though this sounds very resource intensive.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Even though I am very excited about the Pacific, I too wonder about things... But...

..these are more thoughts about how and if they will include certain aspects/ details about carrier operations.. such as..will we see flight deck crews.. how will they implement LSO.... etc etc

 

..Jason et al seems to me to be quite aware of the "market" and the commercial aspects of it all... So I don't worry 'bout a thang.

In comparison to us, who think about these things ..how often(?) 2 minutes a month .. this team will most probably think A LOT about all aspects of this title... playability, multiplayer challenges, sales, marketing, how will the typcial usn- whiner express his/hers FM-worries...

 

..just having some faith ( a word I rarely use)... anyway I am quite sure I will spend more time landing on a rolling deck in different scenarios just for the pure challenge of it, than I am doing what I SHOULD be doing now... gunnery practice. I really am sh*tty at gunnery

 

 

And yes... I agree... we need Rufe. A Rufe will save us all!

Edited November 25, 2016 by SvAF/F19_Klunk

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Guadalcanal seems to be a decent option.

 

If this happened I will donate my keys to anyone who want it, skipping Midway is to me a broken promise. And it contain the plane set I am interested in. It is no loss really, I spend most of the time in DCS anyway 

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

Oh....

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

If this happened I will donate my keys to anyone who want it, skipping Midway is to me a broken promise. And it contain the plane set I am interested in. It is no loss really, I spend most of the time in DCS anyway 

Could you for once please think before writing. I'm not advising skipping anything, I'm merely saying that if possibility arises the resources available during Midway expansion development should be used for actual campaign that is compatible with currently developed campaign mode. 

 

Also, the actual statement and Q&A did not seem to be in any form a promise. 

 

Our long-term vision includes the following battles, but not necessarily in this order and final selection is not concrete.

 

Battle of Kuban

Battle of Midway

Battle of Okinawa

Battle of ??????

Any further interpretations are your assumptions and they cannot be blamed for that your assumptions were not met. But it was fairly obvious as well that Jason is very keen on taking a bite on Midway Battle. So no need to get emotional and throw all the toys because of any discussion, we will most likely get there. Some of us are just interested in more than a Midway and opportunities it provides. 

[Lusekofte]

 

 

Could you for once please think before writing.

 

I am 50 years old, and not a drama queen. Once the word Midway became official I focused on the Devastator. I waited over 10 years for it in old IL 2 .

If Midway not happen or the Devastator not will be on the list for Midway, I simply get in a state that I abandon the game. That is my point, not what you wrote.

I do not fly BOS other than in FNBF, when BOK come I will fly HS 129 and FNBF, when Midway come I will fly Devastator and FNBF. If it do not come, I donate then it is over for my sake. It is no loss to the community at all. I simply cannot stand public servers anymore than 20 minutes a week

[sinned]

Midway is fine. Guadacanal is good too but we need to those carriers.

 

Battle of coral sea, midway, akutan, guadacanal, as long as we have plane set and carriers, i am happy.

[TheElf]

Battle of Coral Sea would make more sense than Midway, for several reasons.  I'll put together a details post as to why soon.

[Zoring]

Some of the commonwealth in the Pacific would be nice

[Cybermat47]

Battle of Coral Sea would make more sense than Midway, for several reasons.  I'll put together a details post as to why soon.

 

 

Personally I'm hoping that 'Battle of Midway' is only the title of the expansion because of how famous the battle is, and that it actually includes Wake Island, the Coral Sea, and Midway. Perhaps even Pearl Harbour if we're lucky.

 

Some of the commonwealth in the Pacific would be nice

IIRC there were RNFAA Seafires took part in Okinawa, and hopefully we get Hiromachi's BoNG idea, which would give us the RAAF.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

I still need to make myself a logo with a Wombat in it and put on P-40. I'm crazy about those animals, even though they live on the other side of the world. 

 

In practice Australian and New Zealand units participated in most of major operations in Southern and South West Pacific, Central Pacific was reserved by US. Boomerangs, P-40s, Beaufighters and Spitfires were in combat, with introduction of Spitfire Vb I think getting RAAF camo will be quite easy - of course Vb is not exactly what RAAF had which was tropical Vc with Merlin 46, but still closer than anything we have. 

[Cybermat47]

I still need to make myself a logo with a Wombat in it and put on P-40. I'm crazy about those animals, even though they live on the other side of the world.

 

 

 

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

You sir deserve a cookie 

[Cybermat47]

[HeavyCavalrySgt]

I would love to see some New Guinea action, especially after reading "Check Six" by Curran!

[ShamrockOneFive]

I am 50 years old, and not a drama queen. Once the word Midway became official I focused on the Devastator. I waited over 10 years for it in old IL 2 .

If Midway not happen or the Devastator not will be on the list for Midway, I simply get in a state that I abandon the game. That is my point, not what you wrote.

I do not fly BOS other than in FNBF, when BOK come I will fly HS 129 and FNBF, when Midway come I will fly Devastator and FNBF. If it do not come, I donate then it is over for my sake. It is no loss to the community at all. I simply cannot stand public servers anymore than 20 minutes a week

 

There are other planes you know.

 

Also, I don't think very many of us are suggesting that they not do Midway. Just that its a limited timeperiod and it would be good to expand outwards either before or after Midway to make sure that the product has some depth. Some of the early carrier operations, Coral Sea, and leading up to Midway would be great in my book as its all the same aircraft set (including your Devastator that your focused on) and it adds some extra breadth to the product.

[Jade_Monkey]

Hopefully since the maps are mostly ocean, they can make two or three in the time it takes to make one with land.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Pacific Theater will be wonderful.  I think however that having the Battle of Midway by itself could be a problem.  Except for the tiny island it's all water.  I think the cycle of searching out and attacking ships alone will become a Groundhog's Day experience.  The Coral Sea has the same issue.  IMHO the manner in which to solve it would be to include a second map with land mass that does not require any addition to the plane set.  The closest I can think of is Guadalcanal.  It would require land objects to be developed however.

 

Having two maps in one package would make BOMW flexible and maybe attractive to more people.

[BlitzvogelMcpeek78]

So glad for everyone's response. So what I'm seeing is most people, NOT all WOULD, like to see Guadalcanal,( Operation Cartwheel), New Guinea and some strong support from the Common Wealth. Personally I like Guadalcanal, BUT I'd also like to see what you guys think of the RAF, Flying Tigers VS. The Wild Eagles Of japan. BURMA, China & India. Yes folks I'd like to know what you people would think of No. 67sqn, 17sqn. (S/Ldr. Bunny Stone), The A.V.G. against, the 77th Sentai , 50th Sentai, & 64th Sentai. Plus all the bomber groups on both sides. Now that we have a group that would like to see so much more. Now we need to take this message to the developers loud and clear.

[ShamrockOneFive]

The devs read the forums. I'm sure they are aware of the discussions and probably have their own plans either in the works or they may make a few modifications based on what they are hearing.

 

I don't think we need to "launch a campaign."

 

The thing that we need to keep in mind is that although a lot of people are really excited about going to the Pacific with the kind of detail we've seen since Battle of Stalingrad, we also have to remember that the earliest we'll see anything of that is sometime in 2018 and I'm going to guess that development may even stretch into the early part of 2019. I don't want to discourage or rain on the parade as I love the enthusiasm but it's good to keep perspective. I'm sure they will be gathering notes the entire time. Keep up the discussion and the ideas!

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

LuseKofte, its not only about Midway but generally game features. There is huge effort and amount of money packed into new campaign mode for BoS/BoM/BoK, however this style of campaign cant be used for Midway. So its a huge investment which would not be used in any form in following expansion. The matter is if except for Midway a normal open land map could be provided for that RoF style campaign and Guadalcanal seems to be a decent option.

You can get a campaign if you use Pearl/Hawaii, Wake and/or Coral Sea, and Midway. If all of the Hawaiian Islands are represented MP/Co-Op becomes really easy with "what if" missions and could even have maps that are strictly land based. Two premium AC (P-38 please) and an Aleutians add on between titles would be ideal and continue the revenue stream. For map makers strategically placing Carriers and airstarts will be paramount for interesting MP and Co-Op. I think "Midway" and "Okinawa" are set in stone. The third Pacific title is not. I would be surprised if it was not some facet of the Solomons Campaign and is placed between the two listed titles.

Edited November 27, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

Okinawa

I really hope not.  

[Cloyd]

Here's what I'd like to see for the first iteration, as an exclusively SP user:

 

0: Hawaii. Not really necessary IMHO. A one-mission, one-sided slaughter. Might make a good benchmark mission, though. And Hawaii would be fun for recreational flying.

1: Wake

2: Midway

3: Coral Sea

4: Guadalcanal

 

Simple maps, with a good mix of land and sea missions.

Edited November 27, 2016 by Cloyd

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

 

 

1: Wake

Why exactly this ?

 

 

 

4: Guadalcanal

Not simple at all. At least if by Guadalcanal you actually mean a whole chain of Solomon Islands, since Guadalcanal itself was ... well, occupied by Americans. And if you think of whole Solomons than its quite big map with multiple islands, airfields, bases (including seaplane bases) and so on.

[sinned]

Representation of Aluetian campaign would be really good.  Flying above cold gray water and mountainous islands of Alaska... 

If Aluetian is an add-on, i will definitely buy them and also give away. 

 

Wasn't it Junyo and Ryujo that participated in Dutch Harbor campaign?  I always thought these mini-carriers were under-represented in many Pacific sims due to the existence of usual big sister ships (Kaga, Shokaku etc).

I think mini-carriers deserve more spot lights (though many would argue why fly out of mini-carriers when you can fly out of big ones). 

 

It's so unfortunate that carrier ops are coming only in 2018... sigh... 

 

 

 

Two premium AC (P-38 please)

 

In my opinion, P38 will make killing sale as a premium plane. 

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

And I want a Zero trapped in the ice as an Easter Egg too!

[Gambit21]

...the earliest we'll see anything of that is sometime in 2018 and I'm going to guess that development may even stretch into the early part of 2019. I don't want to discourage or rain on the parade as I love the enthusiasm but it's good to keep perspective. I'm sure they will be gathering notes the entire time. Keep up the discussion and the ideas!

So much time to have to keep repeating "Solomons! Guadalcanal! Henderson!"

[unreasonable]

Although I would have preferred MTO because of the plane-set, I can support PTO because for me the location is in some senses immaterial - it could even be a generic PTO fantasy island map tailored for size for the ranges of our planes that could be used for carrier/carrier missions, support of landing operations or land based anti-shipping or ground support missions.

 

The main thing for me is that the map, plane and object set and future development priorities support enjoyable SP for both sides and a variety of roles.  (Hence Okinawa???  Suicide missions against TFs armed with hundreds of AAA using proximity fuses? Jason has to be kidding. ) 

 

This means, among other things, some careful thinking about how to improve the AI. I am not talking about the combat moves so much as the way in which formations of aircraft behave and plausible AAA behaviour. I really hope this moves up the priority list.  I do, however, understand the commercial realities that new content is key for income.

 

Looking forwards to see if BoK improves the series as a SP game.

[Pharoah]

without going through all the other posts, here's my $0.02 worth. What I REALLY want from BoP (or whatever its called)is the complete 1942 Pacific air/ground war encompassing:

i. Guadalcanal and the rest of the Solomon Islands (ie. the 'slot')

ii. F4Fs, SBDs, TBFs, Zeros, KI84s (assuming they were there then), Kates, Jills, etc - the majority of main front line a/c for the USN/USMC/IJA/IJN

iii. Shipping incl warships and merchant ships

iv. Midway island

v. aircraft carriers

 

so basically we should be able to recreate both the Battle of Midway and the Battle of Guadalcanal (ie. specifically the exploits of the 'Cactus air force'). 

 

Both Guadalcanal and Midway add variety. 

[sinned]

Reading Jason's latest comment and concurring number of BOK pre-order sales (estimate based on member search), all these Pacific wish talk is a moot point.

 

In order for Pacific to happen, BOK needs to sell.  BOK sales is not even meeting 1/5 of Jason's number (BOK sales needs to be in par with BOS).  Assuming pre-order sales is indicative of total sales and Jason's comment is indicative of BOK outlook, I now think it's quite depressing how people talk about Pacific (including myself) when BOK sales is so low.