-WILD-AlbinoHA5E Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Well, since it wouldn't make sense to send an Aircraft home for a single 7.62mm hole in any body panel/in the Fabric, how did they fix them? Could they Weld Aluminium Back then? Was it Practical? If the used filler/putty, how secure was that stuff back then, and how proof against the Pressure Difference inside and outside the Aircraft?
Gambit21 Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Edited for politeness' sake Edited November 21, 2016 by Gambit21
II/JG17_HerrMurf Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) There is a difference between a combat patch and a permanent patch. In the field (early 90's) we precut aluminum patches of various sized and pre-drilled them for rivets. A little pro-seal, rivet in place, hit it with zinc chromate from a spray can and done. If there was time the crew chief might hit it with some actual paint but that was rare. Long term repair is just replace the panel as long as the underlying structure is still sound. I never saw a flyable AC with that many holes in it IRL. Most of the airframe in WWII aircraft is not pressurized, even in pressurized AC. Edited November 21, 2016 by II/JG17_HerrMurf 1
Elem Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 There is never any welding done on an aluminium airframe. It will weaken the tempered sheet. Steel tube construction would allow some welding. And there is no pressure difference as they are not pressurised structures. The crew used an oxygen breathing system. 1
Danziger Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Why don't you just make something up like you usually do. Omg I know it's wrong but I LOL'd so hard at that!
Gambit21 Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Most of the airframe in WWII aircraft is not pressurized, even in pressurized AC. I don't believe even the C-47's hull was pressurized was it? Certainly no pressurization on "riced up" biplanes.
216th_Jordan Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Why don't you just make something up like you usually do. I personally don't like to see such offensive posts.
-WILD-AlbinoHA5E Posted November 21, 2016 Author Posted November 21, 2016 I don't believe even the C-47's hull was pressurized was it? Certainly no pressurization on "riced up" biplanes. From what I know About Bernoulli the Static Pressure (Inside the Aircraft) Is always higher than the Dynamic Pressure (Airflow around Fuselage), so the Air Inside the Aircraft would always push Outwards. This is the Reason Fabric Surfaces Baloon at high speeds, this is why Bugs get sucked outside your Car when you Open the Windows, this is why you have to Worry about getting the Putty/Filler get sucked from the Skin by Air inside Air Pushing it outwards. Maybe I'm misunderstanding it though.
Gambit21 Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Omg I know it's wrong but I LOL'd so hard at that! Yeah - I edited it though. Don't want to pick on him...I think he gets the point. I personally don't like to see such offensive posts. ...grow up. I was referencing things he'd said recently. Edited November 21, 2016 by Gambit21
-WILD-AlbinoHA5E Posted November 21, 2016 Author Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Yeah - I edited it though. Don't want to pick on him...I think he gets the point. Well, I am quite ignorant on the Pacific and sometimes too lazy to do my research. So, Points to you. But I also love the Term: "Riced Up Biplane", mainly refering to the manic obsession with absolute Manouverability at the cost of Elasticity of the Airframe and general High Speed Performance. More of a Ki-Guy, Ki-43, 44, 61, 84, 100 and I know nothing about the Ground Attackers. Except the D3A which looks like a Stuka had an Interracial Child with a Spitfire Edited November 21, 2016 by CuteKitten94
Gambit21 Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) Well, I am quite ignorant on the Pacific and sometimes too lazy to do my research. So, Points to you. But I also love the Term: "Riced Up Biplane", mainly refering to the manic obsession with absolute Manouverability at the cost of Elasticity of the Airframe and general High Speed Performance. More of a Ki-Guy, Ki-43, 44, 61, 84, 100 and I know nothing about the Ground Attackers. Except the D3A which looks like a Stuka had an Interracial Child with a Spitfire No worries...just know there's guys here who are studied up on this stuff. The Zeke was the result of a very different design philosophy...and it worked! For a while anyway. ...and it was the fastest think in the skies over the Pacific in the early war days. Edited November 21, 2016 by Gambit21
Danziger Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 Yeah - I edited it though. Don't want to pick on him...I think he gets the point. No I just meant that is a great comeback for an argument. I have no idea what you were actually referencing. I'm storing that one away for arguments with the wife hahaha.
Gambit21 Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) ...it's all in the delivery. If Kitty was some sort of jerk or full of himself I would have left it, but he's a nice guy so the last thing I want to do is be a bully or come off that way. Edited November 21, 2016 by Gambit21
Dakpilot Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 (edited) In most aircraft maintenance manuals there is a section on patching and all the various methods/specs to use depending on size of hole and impact damage, even a large hole can be patched using a 'doubler' patch on each side, or even triple layer Although many of the methods and tools shown here are more modern, the 'old' techniques are also explained https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aircraft/amt_airframe_handbook/media/ama_Ch04.pdf scroll down to about 4-97 Cheers Dakpilot Edited November 21, 2016 by Dakpilot
=WH=PangolinWranglin Posted November 21, 2016 Posted November 21, 2016 I know this is unrelated, but that picture is great to show the scale of the the massive F6F. Back to the topic, from what I understand, I believe fabric replaced fabric and metal replaced metal. That is the extent of my repair knowledge. I know more about the aerodynamics than ground operations.
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