So... I picked that fresh new Yak-1b...

[Guest deleted@50488]

at the ....& tanks server, thinking about how glorious my flights against the players in their G2s would be, and... in a sequence of flights I was able to easily find out all about the Yak-1b damage model, and in how so many ways it can get put into pieces....

 

Wow!  The aircraft is simply BEAUTIFUL and flies great, but heck, the pilot here is truly miserable :-(

 

Well I  managed to down a G2 once through the whole session, but that was only when I picked the LagG3 after feeling really pilotless :-) ...

 

IMHO, really no tricks with this great collectors airplane. It is what it should, and the advantages from the Axis aircraft, and above all, from seasoned virtual air combat pilots are there too to put it in it's right place !

 

Anyway, visual effects are so great in this sim that I even get amazed at my own destruction scenes :-)

[Finkeren]

I agree, it's pretty much as it should be.

 

Apparently it is too fast at altitude, but not enough to really make a difference. Any German fighter on combat power will have a hefty advantage over 3000m. Nothing that really makes a difference online.

[GridiroN]

I think too many people were expecting it to be a Soviet uber fighter. It's not. It's a Yak with an aerodynamically tuned airframe, a better gun, and a tear-drop canopy. About the only thing it adds to the FM is a bit better acceleration and it's a bit more stable in the acrobatics, at least to me. 

 

Either way, that aside, those 3 advantages will be significant boosts to anyone who was good with the Yak previously. Personally, I spent 2 weeks trying out the Russian side on WoL and summarily concluded I'm absolutely abysmal at dogfighting in Russian planes, so if you couldn't beat an F4/G2 before, you won't beat one now.

Edited November 17, 2016 by GridiroN

[Finkeren]

I haven't seen anyone claim, that the 1B would be an "über" fighter outside of a few LW players who already think the s.69 is über.

[GridiroN]

I haven't seen anyone claim, that the 1B would be an "über" fighter outside of a few LW players who already think the s.69 is über.

I disagree. I think most people's excitement for it's FM was too high. 

 

That aside, make no mistake, if you're a BF109 pilot who had difficulty beating Yak's before, as I do, the Yak 1B eliminates the Yak's most obvious flaw; it's terrible canopy, and ease with which it can be snuck up on. The 50cal also makes sure if a Yak gets behind you, you're dead, so llike I said, significant. 

Edited November 17, 2016 by GridiroN

[Finkeren]

Well, for sure the new canopy is the 1Bs greatest asset followed by the better speed and acceleration (which has the added benefit of improved handling - you don't ride it "on the edge" as much) A distant third and fourth would be the improved cooling and armament.

 

Still I just don't remember anyone expecting this to be an instant winner. Mostly it was people who already do well in Yaks looking forward to doing a little bit better, and let's face it: Outside of slightly worse forward view and shorter firing time for the MGs, there's really no downside to the 1B compared to the s.69.

[Feathered_IV]

I gave it a go last night and got slaughtered, so everything is as it should be.  The main advantage seems to be the improved rearward visibility, which gives me a clear view of the aircraft that is just about to kill me.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Guys what i found about new yak : its lighter on stick during fast dives, it's stall is better to control and do not enter so fast, better manuverability at near stall speeds, can nicely prop hang for a while, his turns are more clean - coordinated and tighter.

[TWC_Ace]

Guys what i found about new yak : its lighter on stick during fast dives, it's stall is better to control and do not enter so fast, better manuverability at near stall speeds, can nicely prop hang for a while, his turns are more clean - coordinated and tighter.

Its by far the best fighter in the game. Its fast (a little too fast at alt like Fink added), turns like hell, divs like monster, visibility is great, low speed maneuverability is great, weapons are great..

 

lets face it....its our little uber beast...I never had a problem steering at the "elefant in the room" even if its my precious....

Edited November 17, 2016 by blackram

[Finkeren]

Its by far the best fighter in the game. Its fast (a little too fast at alt like Fink added), turns like hell, divs like monster, visibility is great, low speed maneuverability is great, weapons are great..

 

lets face it....its our little uber beast...I never had a problem steering at the "elefant in the room" even if its my precious....

 

Outclimbed by 109s, outgunned by Fw 190, slower than both anywhere but on the deck (and slower than at least the Fw 190 down there as well) 

 

That's not an "über" fighter. That's a capable fighter, that will still get slaughtered, if the opponent knows what he's doing.

[GridiroN]

Guys what i found about new yak : its lighter on stick during fast dives, it's stall is better to control and do not enter so fast, better manuverability at near stall speeds, can nicely prop hang for a while, his turns are more clean - coordinated and tighter.

 

All being historically accurate. I think the devs are getting better at nailing Russian FMs. I think the Yak 1B is a fighter that simply does what you tell it to without complaint. I am pretty bad with the Yak 1, but trying out the Yak 1B, my first thought was "this is a fighter I could win with...".

 

I think the German FM's both need a relook for the FW190 and BF109. Strangely, the 109 became much more accurate after 2.004...accounts suggest the plane required significant rudder input both on take-off and in flight to counter the torque, to the point of fatiguing the pilot's foot. I never felt like the 109 was fatiguing the fly at all, but now, I definitely do require a lot of rudder on my VKB to fly it straight (especially on the G2, holy smokes that engine is strong), which I'm down with. 

 

The FW190, well, let's not get into that. All I'll say is after flying it exclusively for a month, it's not as bad as some people claim, but I do think the stall is exaggerated. 

Edited November 17, 2016 by GridiroN

[Finkeren]

I think the German FM's both need a relook for the FW190 and BF109. Strangely, the 109 became much more accurate after 2.004...accounts suggest the plane required significant rudder input both on take-off and in flight to counter the torque, to the point of fatiguing the pilot's foot. I never felt like the 109 was fatiguing the fly at all, but now, I definitely do require a lot of rudder on my VKB to fly it straight (especially on the G2, holy smokes that engine is strong), which I'm down with. 

 

I haven't noticed any change in the 109 FM, but what you describe is more or less as it should be. I find the 109 kinda tiring to fly as it requires constant control input to keep stable (not just rudder). This IMHO is a much overlooked quality of the Fw 190, but one that would have been obvious to its RL pilots: When handled properly it flies silk smooth and doesn't require the constant correction, that the Bf 109 does.

 

Regarding the G2s engine being strong: Imagine what the G4 is gonna feel like at 1.42 ATA.

 

Anyway, we're drifting off topic here...

Edited November 17, 2016 by Finkeren

[303_Kwiatek]

[Edited]

Edited November 17, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin

[Finkeren]

Well if 50 kph overspeed at altitude is marginal issue i would like to have 50 kph more in 109 or 190 at low atltitude too

 

If the 109s spent as little time on the deck as Yaks do above 4000m, that would be a marginal (well I wouldn't say "marginal", more like "not game breaking) issue too.

[=EXPEND=Tripwire]

If the 109s spent as little time on the deck as Yaks do above 4000m

Reading posts on these forums you would get the impression that this is exactly what happens in game.

[Asgar]

If the 109s spent as little time on the deck as Yaks do above 4000m, that would be a marginal (well I wouldn't say "marginal", more like "not game breaking) issue too.

I get bounced quite often in my 109 when i'm at 3k, and it's not MiGs 

[BlitzPig_EL]

But...  3000 meters is the Yak's happy place...  Hence all the Blonde Knights at 4K to 7K.

[Zygiert]

The plane is very easy to fly - high speed, high g turns, hard to stall, and if so - easy to recover. Good guns, though rate of fire makes it a little bit harder to hit while doing rapid maneuvers.

 

Combine it with favorable damage model and it feels like an UFO, being able to demolish a plane or pilot kill in one burst or being able to cope with 3 bursts (1st - no visual damage, 2nd - white smoke, 3rd-black smoke - still able to dogfight)

Just fix the damage model on russian planes and it will be ok.

 

And before anyone start to call me luftwhiner, I just recently started to fly LW - flew red all the time since June. Have to admit that those 'Luftwhiners' had good reason here and there.

[Trinkof]

Well regarding overspeed at high altitude .... If you fly a 109, the difference is not enough to change the balance ..... But as a Macchi lover .... For me those 40km/h actually change everything

[Jade_Monkey]

In my opinion the Yak1B is a lot more forgiving than the Yak1, especially after the last big FM update for the yak.

 

It feels like it retains energy a lot better.

[Finkeren]

In my opinion the Yak1B is a lot more forgiving than the Yak1, especially after the last big FM update for the yak.

 

It feels like it retains energy a lot better.

 

That's because it does. the aerodynamic refinements gives it just that little bit of extra energy that's needed. 

[Gavrick]

Well if 50 kph overspeed at altitude is marginal issue i would like to have 50 kph more in 109 or 190 at low atltitude too

It is not true. Do not fool people, Kwiatek.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26139-new-yak/?p=410889

[DD_Arthur]

It is not true. Do not fool people, Kwiatek.

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/26139-new-yak/?p=410889

 

You must remember Kwiatek is only here to cause trouble.  He was originally gifted his copy of BoS by an "admirer" so he could troll the game.

 

It's a Cliff's thing....... 

[Finkeren]

You must remember Kwiatek is only here to cause trouble. He was originally gifted his copy of BoS by an "admirer" so he could troll the game.

 

It's a Cliff's thing.......

Pls. don't make this personal. If he's wrong (I suspect his IAS -> TAS calculation is flawed) this will be enough. No need to drag another thread through the dirt.

[Han]

Pls. don't make this personal. If he's wrong (I suspect his IAS -> TAS calculation is flawed) this will be enough. No need to drag another thread through the dirt.

 

Four things I got to remind about what Kwiatek do:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/3-forum-rules-v104/

 

17. Spreading false or harmful information about the product

18. Claiming that FM is incorrect without the required proof

19. unfounded negative comments about the game

20. False claims on future or past decisions and plans of the developers

 

 

Three of these items should result ban from a week to permanent. It's not first, and not second rules violation from Kwiatek, so I'm hope that moderators will do what is necessary.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

Four things I got to remind about what Kwiatek do:

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/3-forum-rules-v104/

 

Three of these items should result ban from a week to permanent. It's not first, and not second rules violation from Kwiatek, so I'm hope that moderators will do what is necessary.

 

[Edited]

 

Kwiatek didn't brake forum rule 18. The required proof that the Yak-1B FM is wrong, was provided by your collegues in the same topic.

Edited November 17, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin
attacking the devs.

[Han]

The required proof that the Yak-1B FM is wrong, was provided by your collegues in the same topic.

 

This brakes rule 20. Flase and harmful information about the project.

 

My collegues shown that Yak-1B speed have 3.8% differ at altitude, we allways have stated that we guarantie 5% precision of flight characteristics.

 

My hope is on moderators in this case too.

[II./JG77_Manu*]

My collegues shown that Yak-1B speed have 3.8% differ at altitude, we allways have stated that we guarantie 5% precision of flight characteristics.

Didn't it say 2% a while back? 

 

[edited]

Edited November 17, 2016 by SYN_Haashashin

[303_Kwiatek]

Funny is that i was insulting here some time ago by reported not accurate climb rate of Fw 190 A-3 ( Han at these time claimed that 100% is accurate then issuse was corrected ) and Yak-1 with flaps down low drag behaviour which funny again was corrected ( both climb rate and Yak-1 flaps characteristic)

Edited November 17, 2016 by 303_Kwiatek

[Han]

Turning facts as you like - it's your strong ability.

 

Fw190 was adjusted and will be adjusted again by additional source documentation appearing. Huge work was done to confirm that german test data (which was used before) is wrong and it is wrong to lower side.

 

And one more "turning facts" from you - not ONLY Yak-1 flaps drag was adjusted, but all airplanes of the project have had correction to lift/drag in landing configuration.

[TWC_Ace]

FM discussions were hot topic since first ROF days. Its something we all need to discuss freely but with provided tests. If someone did some tests in game and compared them to RL data used by devs I see no problems in double checking them again. Ofcourse all this should be posted with good intention and without bashing anyone.

After all some of the most famous fixes came after interventions of teh community. It was like that since Oleg M days.

Edited November 17, 2016 by blackram

[303_Kwiatek]

Turning facts as you like - it's your strong ability.

 

Fw190 was adjusted and will be adjusted again by additional source documentation appearing. Huge work was done to confirm that german test data (which was used before) is wrong and it is wrong to lower side.

 

And one more "turning facts" from you - not ONLY Yak-1 flaps drag was adjusted, but all airplanes of the project have had correction to lift/drag in landing configuration.

 

Good to hear really

 

So it looks that  i didnt spread false or untrue informations  here like some want to turning against me?

[Han]

Fw190 was adjusted and will be adjusted again by additional source documentation appearing. Huge work was done to confirm that german test data (which was used before) is wrong and it is wrong to lower side.

 

 

Also, while I'm here, I want to say GREAT THANKS to everyone who have helped and assisted us in this investigation by sending us documents, highlighting some source aspects, constructive discussing and so on.

 

Thank you guys!

[303_Kwiatek]

Also, while I'm here, I want to say GREAT THANKS to everyone who have helped and assisted us in this investigation by sending us documents, highlighting some source aspects, constructive discussing and so on.

 

Thank you guys!

 

And these is positive post from devs we looking for such attitude

[Han]

Sweet.

 

Quick question. Do you already know at this point the approx month when you will be releasing Fw-190A5? 

 

Let me offer a dial:

 

If moderators will do what is necessary in this thread - I'll post this inside information

[Trooper117]

Two weeks... be sure 

[ITAF_Cymao]

Let me offer a dial:

 

If moderators will do what is necessary in this thread - I'll post this inside information

I dont understand, why wait for the moderators?

If  moderators execute your orders will you post news about FW190 A5?

I hope I have misunderstood otherwise its a shame.

 

S!

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I dont understand, why wait for the moderators?

If moderators execute your orders will you post news about FW190 A5?

I hope I have misunderstood otherwise its a shame.

 

S!

Why shame, one can do what he wants and this is polite way to ask moderators to do their job

Mob them if you like to know

[Turban]

I'll post this inside information

 

What a tease !!!   

[Zygiert]

After you come up with evidence and properly fill a FM report, before you do that, you're just a typical luwfthiner. 

 

Take it easy dude. I'm just sharing my opinions based on observations. U don't need to make a scientific report to notice that there is a difference, nailing bf109 with 20s from dead 6 o'clock (and fw190 being able to take more than 109) and try do the same vs russian planes, just play some Quick missions

Beside it's not my effin job to do this. I'm a customer not a developer, my options are either to play the game, or not, and eventually share some opinions on forums.

 

As for the FM and armament - I don't have problems with it. The point about "UFO" is that the plane feels so easy to fly, in comparison to La-5, Lagg, P-40, Fw190 and even F4, that it is almost an offence to players in others planes. But hey, if that's how it was - No problem with that.