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Probably the most beautiful, accurate combat sim I have ever seen with an incredible attention to detail. (And I started with Fighter Duel on the Amiga). And yet, I cannot get the toe brakes to work in BOS in any airplane. The keyboard for both brakes works fine but right and left do not. They show up as getting input in the control settings but don't work in plane. Mucho ground looping.

 

I also bought Cliffs of Dover on Steam only to discover that it takes an arcane 12 step process to get it to work on my machine.

 

What gives?

216th_Lucas_From_Hell
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Welcome to the Il-2 world, lots of happiness awaits you even if you will inevitably find yourself here asking questions every now and then!

 

Not all the kites in this simulator have proper toe brakes in their real counterparts, so as you might expect the left/right brake commands don't actually amount to anything there. When handling those aircraft, what you need to do instead is press the 'big brake button' (whichever that is) and then use rudder input to handle differential braking.

 

That's only half the equation to leave ground loop hell though, but the other half is really reliant on which aircraft you are trying to steer so feel free to name the culprits so the crowd can give some more specific advice. :)

II/JG17_HerrMurf
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What pedals are you using? It should be really straight forward. Many of the Russian AC do not have toe brakes. All of the German planes do.

 

CloD is a very different animal.

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Toe brakes work fine for me and I use both keyboard (period and comma) as well as my X55 Rhino. 

On X55 Rhino, as well as any other setup I believe, the German brakes work the same as Russian brakes, so rudder'ing to one side with brakes engaged only engages that side's break, however, in Russian planes, they do not have toe brakes, they use differential braking. Keep that in mind.

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And yet, I cannot get the toe brakes to work in BOS in any airplane.

 

The "enigma" explanation is that some planes of WWII (and latter) never use "toe brakes": the hydraulic operated brakes on rudder pedals like in P-51 or  Bf 109, or in your game rudder pedal.

 

Some planes use compressed air operated brakes activate by lever in control column - see the lever in Hurricane control column, or in this scheme of LaGG-3 wheel brakes:

 

http://i894.photobucket.com/albums/ac145/Rodolphe42/BrakeSystDesc_zps5d0e62a0.jpg

 

You find even compressed air operated brakes activated by thump pressed button: Mc.202 early (in game):

 

Brake_button.jpg

 

MC 202 latter:

 

http://www.hyperscale.com/2016/reviews/kits/p7hg_img_56/fullsize/01_fs.jpg

 

 I have ever seen with an incredible attention to detail. 

 

Thus, the "detail" is that in this game (and others) dont use a generic brake system for all planes, but the correct system for each plane.

Most of Russian planes don't use "toe brakes" - exception i-16, but this other system.

 

Back to the game, what you should do?

 

Press the button/key assigned for "Wheel brakes", move the rudder pedal for right (or left), will brake only this wheel, for taxi maneuvers.

 

For differentiate from "toe brakes", less call this other system "differential brakes" (I don't know the correct name). ;)

 

German planes, P-40, i-16 use "toe brakes", and can be assigned in your rudder pedal brakes, the others, no.

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Guest deleted@50488
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Excellent answer by Sokol1 ( Ah Brasileiro !!!!! Dá-le com força!!!! )

 

This exclamation being written, I welcome you aboard what I also find as the closer to truth flight simulator I have used, well, after trying RoF too sometime ago ( I have uninstalled it ever since, and am awaiting one they both platforms can fuse into a single one ;-) ) 

 

Regarding brakes, I have a TS16000 joystick only, which is rather spratan..., "forced" me to assign button 1, which is widely used as gun trigger, to the brakes. I usually press it before retracting the gear on any aircraft after takeoff, and I use it all the time to steer the Russian aircraft.

Guest deleted@30725
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I also bought Cliffs of Dover on Steam only to discover that it takes an arcane 12 step process to get it to work on my machine.

 

What gives?

 

Huh? Just download the game from steam, ignore it, download the team fusion mod and install it. Run the game. Play forever.

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There is another possibility which is that if you map Wheel brakes to an input, and say Right brake to the same input, whenever you use that input it won't just do right brakes on those that have left and right, it'll do both.

 

Usually I remove the Wheel brakes input before flying a LW crate or the P40 but sometimes I forget, careering sideways across an airfield in a 109 before I am airborne and can sort my controls out.

 

Von Tom

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German planes, P-40, i-16 use "toe brakes", and can be assigned in your rudder pedal brakes, the others, no.

 

 

I didnt know about the p40 or i16. thanks!

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Huh? Just download the game from steam, ignore it, download the team fusion mod and install it. Run the game. Play forever.

That's where I found the arcane process. To me it looks like you need to install 5 separate patches, copy and rename folders and restart the game multiple times.

Thanks to all for the brake info. Great community! Got them working well on the 109 and will continue to experiment with the other planes.

 

On another topic, is there any way to practice co-op missions with another player, perhaps on one of the servers?

II/JG17_HerrMurf
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Not yet but it's coming with the next theater. For now your best bet is to use the official TS and/or post in threads like this one.

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There is another possibility which is that if you map Wheel brakes to an input, and say Right brake to the same input, whenever you use that input it won't just do right brakes on those that have left and right, it'll do both.

 

This is practical and you can assign pedal right and left brakes axis for "Wheel brakes" (both wheels) since each command accept up to 3 inputs.

 

In this way will work OK for Russian, Italian planes, example: press the right brake and move rudder for right, will work like "differential brakes", but faking "toe brakes" operation.

 

But, since the game don't allow save joystick profile per plane, will have "collateral effects" in German planes (as you notice), because "Wheel brakes" (both) command work for German planes to (besides their "toe brakes") - this is need for attend people with "3in1" twist rudder joysticks.

 

So in case of "turncoat" is need remove the above assignment. :)

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That's where I found the arcane process. To me it looks like you need to install 5 separate patches, copy and rename folders and restart the game multiple times.

 

Actually it looks like a long process, but it doesn't take too much time to install (approx. 10 minutes for me)... the download of the patches was longer than the installation :P

And it really worth the installation!

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