Bearfoot Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 Has this been mentioned or discussed anywhere? Axis candidates might be the JU-88 or He-111? Would this just be an armament option on current variants, and will a new specialized variant be offered? The only Allied candidate is the A-20?
SCG_Space_Ghost Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 I could be way off but I think I had seen somewhere that there won't be torpedoes for the 111 or 88.
LoneStar Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 Torpedo sight - we don't plan to have air dropped torpedoes in release, may be later. Developer Questions, Page 52, 12 October 1
VBF-12_Stick-95 Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 And the A-20 will be the B model which didn't carry torps historically to the best of my knowledge.
Asgar Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 yep, no torpedos, which is a shame since they said Kuban is the test bed for all the tech they need for the Pacific 1
Gunsmith86 Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 There will be torpedos for ships in BoK they said but no torpedos for airplanes in BoK. For torpedos droped by airplanes we will have to wait for the next part of IL2.
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted October 26, 2016 Posted October 26, 2016 They said no to release. Not no to BOK so don't spread any misleading rumors. The dev team has probably a lot to do. First of all, all the new planes, new theater, career mode, DX11, new stuff like ships and they have also mentioned paratroopers and cargo drops. They cant do everything at once. I would not be surprised if we get torpedoes once BOK is finished. 6
1CGS LukeFF Posted October 27, 2016 1CGS Posted October 27, 2016 The dev team has probably a lot to do. First of all, all the new planes, new theater, career mode, DX11, new stuff like ships and they have also mentioned paratroopers and cargo drops. Plus, at least for the German planes, there would need to be cockpit changes, as they installed special torpedo data computers (TDCs) to control the launch of the torpedoes. It's a fairly big task.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 I think we could do without it just as with the dive recovery system for the Ju87 and 88. It would be awesome if they offered aerial torpedoes for Kuban at some point. 1
Luftschiff Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 No air-drops, really? I must have missed that addendum. The log for BoK features, as I recall, only read "Torpedoes", which made me assume they meant torpedo bombers, I mean this is a flight-sim after all. Hard to be upset with all the great stuff coming up but aw man, I was really looking forward to that!
Finkeren Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 What I've read doesn't seem to indicate there won't be air dropped torpedoes for BoK eventually. They just won't be there from the launch. There is a lot to do over the coming they year, and the devs have to make some hard choices about what to include and what to put off 'till later, if they are to be able to get BoK done in 2017.
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 When I asked Han about 111 computer torpedos on devs questions thread, the answer was not quite clear. It sounded that we will get the plane first with no torpedos system on early access. But it was not clear if it was no torpedos at all or if we will get it later on BoK release. You guys can take a look on his answer and tell what do you think.
Yogiflight Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Sorry Gielow, but Han stated, that they don´t plan to have airdropped torpedoes in release, maybe later. He didn´t speak of early access.
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Sorry Gielow, but Han stated, that they don´t plan to have airdropped torpedoes in release, maybe later. He didn´t speak of early access. Soooooo we are just getting H6 again
6./ZG26_McKvack Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Soooooo we are just getting H6 again Don't forget, more bombs And even if we wont see the 13mm rotating turret it will still be quite cool to see how it will play out. From what I have read, its pretty nasty being hit by one of them
=ARTOA=Bubi87 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Lets hope they give us some few drop torpedos later. I love naval bombing :-)
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Yeah !! Considering we fixed the 110s wing, it is time to start my new project: THE FORGOTTEN MODS EXPANSION PACK Where we will get everything was left behind so far.
Jade_Monkey Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 (edited) They will figure out how to do torpedos (ship to ship) in BOK, so they can learn how to do them for the pacific. Take BOK as a testebed for the torpedo stuff. It may come later once they figure it out, who knows... Edited October 27, 2016 by Jade_Monkey
Yogiflight Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 What sense makes ship to ship torpedoing in the game? No one will see it. Even when you are there, you might have to do something else, than watching the ships torpedoing each other.
Gunsmith86 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Many of the Torpedos used than still left trails that you can see from the air. Even torpedos which didnt leaf a trail of bubbls could be seen from air because they changed the surface of the watter a little when runing below.
Yogiflight Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 I would have no problem with waiting a month longer for the release of BOK, if I got the possibility of aircraft launched torpedoes. And like 5tuka stated, I, also, wouldn´t need the torpedo data computer.
Gunsmith86 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Well 3d modell on HE 111 and JU 88 would have to be changed because a standard plane could not drop torpedos. But its not that much so they maybe able to fit that in the end of BoK if everything else gets well. Torpedos used by the germans would be the LT F5b which has to be droped from 30-50m hight and at a max speed of 240-250 Km/h. Torpedo speed 40 kn with a range of 2000m. Or the LT F5w a italian design which was used by the germans in large numbers because it was better than the german F5b. The F5w can be droped at max speed of 290-310 Km/h at a maximum hight of up to 90-110m. It runs at a speed of 40 kn with a range of 3000m
Gunsmith86 Posted October 27, 2016 Posted October 27, 2016 Chance for a crew to life after a torpedo attack on a protected konvoi at day is less than 50% from late 1943 onwards! To be sucessful they had to fly up to 800m before the target in level flight whitout changeing curse much and than go to the right hight before droping the torpedos. If they troped from farther away the ships would have no problem to avoid the torpedos by changing curse. KG 100 used 22 JU 88 on a attack against ships in Tripolis late in 1943. Only 4 planes returned they damaged 13 ships with 60 LT350 droped by them. If you want to know more about the LT350 i can right that later today
Jason_Williams Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 We'll do our best on torpedoes. First they need to be built as a weapon with effects etc. Then we need to make them a droppable as ordnance from planes etc. Obviously we need them for Pacific for sure. Would also be nice in Kuban but as has been pointed out need special equipment. Jason 5
1CGS LukeFF Posted October 28, 2016 1CGS Posted October 28, 2016 Soooooo we are just getting H6 again Nope
Sokol1 Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Yep, I didn´t know that one. Sure? It the "motobomba". Edited October 28, 2016 by Sokol1
Gunsmith86 Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 Sure? It the "motobomba". The Only thing wrong in the video is that the maximum hight to drop a LT 350 is 350m at 300 Km/h so they couldn´t avoid Flak in real life.
Yogiflight Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 My fault, I read about it in the TD patch notifications, but I never used it. I am more for the, when I aim correct, I will hit the target, than for, I drop it somewhere and when I am lucky, it will hit by fortune.
kendo Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 One of the really big successes of this team has been their ability to develop a realistic and achievable forward plan for what they can do. Their ability to prioritise then deliver on what they say they will provide has been excellent. As someone who remembers the over-reaching and over-promising of the CLOD development - and the eventual consequences of that - it is impressive and reassuring. They know what they are able to do in a certain timescale and they stick to it. The unavoidable downside is that some things just have to take longer. Patience....
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) NopeYes and you know it. The only advantage is for who is buying the game for the first time. Edited October 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow
Yogiflight Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 Second bombbay available, plus different defensive armament, so it much more different than 109 G2 and G4.
Cybermat47 Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) Yes and you know it. The only advantage is for who is buying the game for the first time. The He-111 H-16 has another bomb bay, as seen in the dev diary, as well as a much improved defensive armament, with MG-131s and MG-81Zs. And from what I can tell, some had a power-operated dorsal turret, which just screams modification to me. It sounds like it will be an immense improvement. Edited October 28, 2016 by Cybermat47
Finkeren Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 Second bombbay available, plus different defensive armament, so it much more different than 109 G2 and G4. Or the Yak-1 and Yak-7b.
6./ZG26_5tuka Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 Or the Yak-1 and Yak-7b. Not really since both models were 2 entirely different constructions whereas the H-6 we have ingame always had a seond bombbay, just locked and occupied with a fuel tank. 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted October 28, 2016 1CGS Posted October 28, 2016 Yes and you know it. Besides what others have said (increased bomb load, better defensive guns), I know of one other unique feature that's probably going to be modeled. Second bombbay available, plus different defensive armament, so it much more different than 109 G2 and G4. Exactly.
Chief_Mouser Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 IL2s with torps are cool Unfortunately, much as I too liked them in old Il-2 I don't think we're going to be seeing it. The Il-2T doesn't seem to have got off the drawing board, and for a historical field mod version we'd need an Il-2m3 with the arrow wings, and we aren't likely to see that either. So it seems we will have to wait in hope for eventual weapons mods for the He111, Ju88 and A-20. Hope that the dev team's experiments with torps goes well and it will be sooner than they expect! We shall need something to do with all that sea on the Kuban map. I wonder if we can capture ships with Fallschirmjäger? Cheers. 1
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) H16 - TORPEDOS - BALL TURRET - FLAMETHROWER + BACK UP PANEL + EXTRA BOMB BAY = H6 The mg131 field of fire is too restricted to be considered in the equation above. Edited October 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow
6./ZG26_Gielow Posted October 28, 2016 Posted October 28, 2016 (edited) When I say that H16 and H6 are the same plane because a lack of mods, its a drama. When you say G2 = G4 and Yaks = Yaks, no drama. You guys are really trolling here Edited October 28, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow
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