Why LW lose all the missions on WoL

[mb339pan]

I don't know...are these videos supposed to prove something? And you people need to chill with that stalin hitler stuff. The war ended 70 years ago. Chillax

1st video: Yes, Lagg3 was well known for its sturdiness.

 

2nd video: Looks like that FW got caught by surprise. Lagg scored multiple hits in the side of the cockpit where the only thing protecting the pilot is that thin plexiglass. 50cal HMG bullets don't have any difficulty penetrating thin glass. Nice aiming by that Lagg pilot.

 

3rd video: That is just terrible flying by that FW190 pilot. First by getting caught by a yak at low altitude. Second by diving straight down so the yak has an easy job shallowing his dive and catching you. And third YOU HAD YOUR CANOPY OPEN that slows you down a good amount. Verdict: Fw190 pilot made every mistake he possibly could in that situation, if you are trying to blame the game, you should just look in the mirror.

 

4th video: more ridiculous conspiracy theories

 

5th video: Early IL-2s were know for their durability and agility, i dont know what your trying to prove here?

 

All in all, when things don't go the right way, just try to relax and think rationally, try to think what could be the most plausible answer. Try to avoid doing things you'll regret later. 

 

i not waste my time for respond to those who have never read a book or open a web page to inform      and we speaks with no idea  and incidentally I hate fascism and Nazism, stupid ideals that have led entire peoples to ruin, as well as communism, and make me laugh those who still support them, poor deluded

 

which uses online nickname? so to understand...

 

 

Edited October 27, 2016 by 150GCT_Pan

[150GCT_Veltro]

Warned, banned ecc. ecc. so no more comments by me.

For a better online experience i just hope it could be checked one day.

 

 

Bf-110 "wing ripping" is till on even if in a lesser way, but we can't ask more i think.

Edited November 2, 2016 by 150GCT_Veltro

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Flying tank lack of real time structual damage model is who to blame. Game simplification - or like devs would say game limitation.

[707shap_Srbin]

Back to the topic.

 

Reason, why Blues are loosing game to Reds in WoL is very simple - Reds are just stronger. More pilots, more expirienced pilots, more organised squads. Too many "lone wolfes" on Blue side. Lack of coordination between Blue squads (each squad is using its oun TS).

 

Same, very same reason is for Blues winning map after map in 72AG+DED (EU Expert) server. More coordinated pilots. Less "lonewolfes". Signle TS Server, with several Blue squads are in nearer or even in the same Channel (up to 20-30 pilots in the EU evenings). 

 

As it was in WWII time, same is now - Radiocommunication wins. More coordinated side win the war, and there is nothing about "LaGG s#ck" or "Fw190 s#ck". 

 

Simple.

[SYN_Mike77]

And Panzerbar for the win!

 

 

My squad flies mainly on 72AG+DED Expert and I'm here to tell you when the German side flies as a team they are tough to beat!

[707shap_Srbin]

And Panzerbar for the win!

 

 

My squad flies mainly on 72AG+DED Expert and I'm here to tell you when the German side flies as a team they are tough to beat!

I dont know the timezone of You are flying (I presume American time), but do You ever saw a massive raid of Ju87's of I./SG2 together with He111's of I./KG100 covered with the whole JGr.8 ? Over 20 aircrafts in one formation. 1 mission - 1 captured sector. That is what winning the map.

[Neil]

Flying the Heinkel 111 is a true challenge.

After flying with it many hours in the WOL server, I can say that:

 

The visibility is very poor,

the speed is slow

The gunners are a joke with their pea shooter, and if you want to use them:

The AI leaves empty magazines sometimes (you have to be lucky)

The dorsal turret is too slow to handle

The tail makes blind spot.

 

So you have to have an escort or to be sneaky to fly this bomber well.

 

I am not saying that to complain actually, just to explain why LW bombers pilot should use the Junkers 88 which is in my opinion an outstanding bomber.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Nil

[707shap_Srbin]

Flying the Heinkel 111 is a true challenge.

After flying with it many hours in the WOL server, I can say that:

 

The visibility is very poor,

the speed is slow

The gunners are a joke with their pea shooter, and if you want to use them:

The AI leaves empty magazines sometimes (you have to be lucky)

The dorsal turret is too slow to handle

The tail makes blind spot.

 

So you have to have an escort or to be sneaky to fly this bomber well.

 

I am not saying that to complain actually, just to explain why LW bombers pilot should use the Junkers 88 which is in my opinion an outstanding bomber.

 

I dont know what are You talking about, really I./KG100 and KG200 guys are happy with their He111. May be they just know how to use it right?

[Dutchvdm]

I dont know what are You talking about, really I./KG100 and KG200 guys are happy with their He111. May be they just know how to use it right?

 

Well.. Some of his complaints are kinda true   . But you can't blame the game for that. Even in 1941 the design of the He-111 was aging. All in all i think the Ju-88 is a much nicer bomber to fly and survive in. 

 

But if used properly the He-111 can still be very useful. 

 

Grt M

[Neil]

I dont know what are You talking about, really I./KG100 and KG200 guys are happy with their He111. May be they just know how to use it right?

Of course!

It is because they have an escort,  or they do not encounter fighter , or the fighter stay on their 6, or they fly in formation and they encounter a beginner fighter pilot.

 

Sure it is easy like that. myself I am successful with those tactics. But this is much more difficult to have them when you are not in a squadron or you do not have flight buddies (the majority of the pilot in WOL server?)

 

But with the pe-2 or the ju88, you do not need all of that and can be very successful ALONE

 

That might be one of the reason why VVS wins.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Nil

[150GCT_Veltro]

And Panzerbar for the win!

 

 

My squad flies mainly on 72AG+DED Expert and I'm here to tell you when the German side flies as a team they are tough to beat!

 

+1

 

It's time to switch on 72AG server, where these kinde of problems can be nerfed a bit with team play.

 

My Squad will fly there as well.

Flying tank lack of real time structual damage model is who to blame. Game simplification - or like devs would say game limitation.

 

Just "emotions".....as Han says...

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Just "emotions".....as Han says...

 

 

No, it is not emotion mainly, flying tank was a joke but structural damage model is modeled like it is and you would suspect that plane part which was hit several times in same area would give another outcome.

Edited November 1, 2016 by 307_Tomcat

[SYN_Mike77]

I dont know the timezone of You are flying (I presume American time), but do You ever saw a massive raid of Ju87's of I./SG2 together with He111's of I./KG100 covered with the whole JGr.8 ? Over 20 aircrafts in one formation. 1 mission - 1 captured sector. That is what winning the map.

Actually I fly mainly evening european time which is afternoon US time. With my squad on sunday. Haven't seen a massive raid yet but I would love to see it!

 

You guys should record the next one and throw it up here as an example of what can be done in this sim.

Edited November 1, 2016 by SYN_Mike77

[-DED-ASF]

Actually I fly mainly evening european time which is afternoon US time. With my squad on sunday. Haven't seen a massive raid yet but I would love to see it!

 

You guys should record the next one and throw it up here as an example of what can be done in this sim.

 

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/25857-random-expert-video/?p=404745

http://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/20394-72ag-ded-random-expert/?p=400993

[ITAF_Cymao]

 

K/D by aircraft:

Bf 109 F-4, 1.26
Fw 190 A-3, 1.17
LaGG-3 (series 29), 1.10
Yak-1 (series 69), 1.06
La-5 (series 8), 0.96
Bf 109 F-2, 0.93
MiG-3 (series 24), 0.91
Bf 109 G-2, 0.89
I-16 Type 24, 0.82
Bf 109 E-7, 0.62
IL-2 model 1941, 0.58
P-40 E-1, 0.55
Pe-2 (series 35), 0.55
MC.202 Series VIII, 0.49
Pe-2 (series 87), 0.38
Ju 88 A-4, 0.31
Bf 110 E-2, 0.21
IL-2 AM-38, 0.17
Ju 87 D-3, 0.17
He 111 H-6, 0.16

% of sorties when pilot is wounded:

He 111 H-6, 0.07
Pe-2 (series 35), 0.07
Pe-2 (series 87), 0.09
Bf 109 F-4, 0.10
Bf 109 G-2, 0.10
Bf 109 E-7, 0.11
Fw 190 A-3, 0.11
Bf 110 E-2, 0.11
MC.202 Series VIII, 0.11
Bf 109 F-2, 0.11
Ju 87 D-3, 0.12
LaGG-3 (series 29), 0.13
IL-2 model 1941, 0.13
Ju 88 A-4, 0.13
Yak-1 (series 69), 0.14
La-5 (series 8), 0.14
IL-2 AM-38, 0.14
MiG-3 (series 24), 0.15
I-16 Type 24, 0.15
P-40 E-1, 0.16

What does mean these tables? I'd like to see stats about shot down by bombers gunners

The best russian bombers are kamikaze, and that's why reds win, but not only for this reason.

With a limitation of aircrafts available for every pilot maybe things would be different.

 

In WoL in october, september, august and may (june and july I didnt fly) I flew 185 sorties by H111 or Ju88 and I was shot down by enemy figthers 12 times and 4 were pilot kill, I shot down only 1 fighter with the help of my flak.

In the same months I shot down 166 Pe-2 especially with Fw 190 but I killed pilots a very few time, I think 5 max 10 time. And many times I was shot down by Pe-2 gunners.

Edited November 3, 2016 by ITAF_Cymao

[Maxyman]

What does mean these tables? I'd like to see stats about shot down by bombers gunners

The best russian bombers are kamikaze, and that's why reds win, but not only for this reason.

With a limitation of aircrafts available for every pilot maybe things would be different.

I like your manners. TAW is a server with limited aircraft, you may want to check stats there.

[ITAF_Cymao]

 

 

I'd like to see stats about shot down by bombers gunners

 

 

and that's why reds win, but not only for this reason.

[Maxyman]

Grab notepad and excel, go to il2stat.aviaskins.com:8008 and bob is your uncle.

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Didn't Zekes vs Wildcats and Spits vs 109s have all this sort of stuff on the website? I recall being to search for plane vs plane matchups, frequency of flight, etc. I hope we can have this data at some point in il-2 stats. 

[SOLIDKREATE]

We always lose because there are too many glory hunting lone wolf 109 pilots in there. Everyone want to be a fighter pilot. There aren't many people like myself who go out and do the objectives.

[SOLIDKREATE]

I think the 110 jockeys are the best flyers on the German side. They know that they don't have the speed and climb advantage so they usually work together and plan ahead.

 

And woe betide the fool who attacks one of them expecting an 'easy kill' without thinking it through...next thing you know you are in a swirling storm of shit with cannon fire coming from all directions.

 

 

Yeah we've had a LaGG or two try and pick one of us off and the next thing he knows; he's in a hornets nest with 7 or 8 of us, LOL. I took down a few LaGG's and Yak's and even a MiG in my time. People often misjudge us.