Gutsy to charge $95 for an Alpha state of game...

[novicebutdeadly]

At the end day, if you want quality, you are going to have to pay for it.

I hope that this game does takeoff in a big way, and that it follows a similar line that il2 did.

I only started playing il2 about 3 years ago, and to be honest once I learned how to fly (still working on the shooting straight.....) I have really enjoyed the game.

I don't mind paying a one off for a plane or a skin, because at the end of the day, doing something (making skins, or developing aircraft etc) you love for free, doesn't put food on the table.

My only real gripe, is that so far it doesn't seem that you can buy a physical copy of the game





 

[-MG-Cacti4-6]

 

My only real gripe, is that so far it doesn't seem that you can buy a physical copy of the game

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you could do is put the launcher file onto a thumb drive if you really want that kind of backup. but i too would like a hard copy box set thing. that would be a nice touch

[Hadwell]

yea... their not charging 95$ for a alpha state game, their charging 95$ for the full game, plus the ability to fly in the alpha, plus access to some extra features when the game is done.

 

plus i like to think giving them a bit of extra cash to help them get the game off the ground will help it in the future, even if my little contribution is just a drop in the bucket

Edited November 29, 2013 by Hadwell

[Rjel]

Yes it will be wonderfull if IL-2 BoS trumps all of these and makes a large splash in the market because it will hopefully open up theaters i am most interested in

My point was there have been, in fact, several sims in the last 25 years set in the ETO and a few set in the Pacific. The Eastern Front has been largely ignored. I'm all for BoS' offspring to be set in Western Europe ASAP, but I think most agree the East should continue to be developed through a couple of add ons. For speed to market as well as exploring less familiar territory for most of us.

[-MG-Cacti4-6]

My point was there have been, in fact, several sims in the last 25 years set in the ETO and a few set in the Pacific. The Eastern Front has been largely ignored. I'm all for BoS' offspring to be set in Western Europe ASAP, but I think most agree the East should continue to be developed through a couple of add ons. For speed to market as well as exploring less familiar territory for most of us.

the last pacific flighty sim i can remember is combat flight simulator from MS which was kinda bad. I hope you don't think CLoD covered the eastern europe theater, it only covered a few month period during the semi-early stages of the war. But i dont disagree with the usage of addons to make this happen though, if they see the market for it

[Rjel]

 I hope you don't think CLoD covered the eastern europe theater, it only covered a few month period during the semi-early stages of the war.

I think anyone with the slightest interest in WWII era aviation knows that. I was speaking of AOTP, AOE, WWII Fighters EAW amongst others. I'm not saing they all came out recently. Only that there have been several.

[Dutch]

Gutsy to charge $95 for an Alpha state of game but not unusual as last couple of years trend is chargeing for not quite ready software.

It's like those Kickstarter programs.

 

Dunno what I am getting into, but the bait sure looks tasty! 

 

Not really. There is a crowdfunding website not too far from here, which is asking $15,000 for a 'completionist pack'.

 

They are sold out, and the mind boggles.

[Emgy]

the last pacific flighty sim i can remember is combat flight simulator from MS which was kinda bad. I hope you don't think CLoD covered the eastern europe theater, it only covered a few month period during the semi-early stages of the war. But i dont disagree with the usage of addons to make this happen though, if they see the market for it

Did you miss out on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Fighters ?

Was sold as a stand-alone too.

[-MG-Cacti4-6]

yeah must have calvamos.

 

and no rjel I am not saying that the devs should ignore the eastern front like they did for AGES. 

[skline00]

In just two weeks, I am convinced this is the best $95 I've spent in a LONG time !

[ImPeRaToR]

Did you miss out on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Fighters ?

Was sold as a stand-alone too.

It was also included in Il2 1946 like all the other Il2 addons.

[siipperi]

100$ is way too much, casual flight simmer just won't buy that. Hopefully there will be more affortable version on the release. If I had fairly interest in the game I would never buy it with that kind of money (comparing to current game prices, because never know how much games cost in the future), if there is going to be Steam release people are going to rip their pants off after seeing that price. I don't really care if the price is justified or not but for people with slight intrest that's huge investment.

[Panzerlang]

100$ is way too much, casual flight simmer just won't buy that. Hopefully there will be more affortable version on the release. If I had fairly interest in the game I would never buy it with that kind of money (comparing to current game prices, because never know how much games cost in the future), if there is going to be Steam release people are going to rip their pants off after seeing that price. I don't really care if the price is justified or not but for people with slight intrest that's huge investment.

 

Maybe think of it this way...it keeps out the riff-raff. Griefers, hackers, cheats etc. It refines the demographic of players to those who take the subject seriously and improves the quality of play, amongst other things. BoS becomes quite an exclusive club, effectively.

 

If they've pitched the price well, and I think they have, the balance will be struck between a restricted number of owners vs the ability to afford to keep on producing new stuff.

[ParaB]

I thought hard about shelling out 95$/70€ for a flightsim. For maybe 2 minutes. Then I remembered how many hours I've spent on average with the last couple of flightsims I bought compared to my total playtime in games like Total War: Rome 2, Dishonored, Bioshock Infinite and the latest SimCity.

[Rjel]

I look at it as a value.  I probably spent approximately $40 to $50 on each of the original IL-2 releases, including the re-packed editions with all the versions on a single disk. How many were there in total? Five? Maybe six? I don't have them all in front of me right now. I've played it since the original release in 2001. It breaks down to pennies on the day. Maybe 777 could do an installment plan??? Zero down. Easy ten year payments. Regardless, I'm sure there will be sales down the road for anyone who cares to wait. You have to decide if waiting pays off compared to missed hours of enjoyment.

[Karost]

Maybe think of it this way...it keeps out the riff-raff. Griefers, hackers, cheats etc. It refines the demographic of players to those who take the subject seriously and improves the quality of play, amongst other things. BoS becomes quite an exclusive club, effectively.

 

If they've pitched the price well, and I think they have, the balance will be struck between a restricted number of owners vs the ability to afford to keep on producing new stuff.

 

I agree with Siggi  IL2 and Hard core flight sim are exclusive club ...

I like to say exclusive community  ... I ask my self why  I keep play IL2 for  10 years ???

many friends have many reason for this question.

but let me pin my point first

 

IL2 connect people who love the same thing to join the fun.

when every time I join community DF sever

I meet many good friends out there from

- USA

- UK

- Canada

- Australia

- Mexico

- China

- Japan

- Germany

- France

- and other 10-20 country ... old hand friends can help me for sort out all of this list 

most of them age average over 30-50 year old.

 

From European Air War to IL2 with hypperLobby gateway build this community like an iceberk

I don't think $100 is the problem.

 

the problem  is how 777team  smart and understand how to connect with this exclusive club.

[-MG-Cacti4-6]

I think the 777 team knows exactly how to connect with this club you are refering to. and dont forget the 100 bones is for the deluxe edition with two ridiculously good aircraft. the standard edition will be like 60 bucks and not include the 190 or the la5. after just one alpha session, i have absolutly no desire whatsoever to play war thunder for an extended period anymore. it just feels fake.

[Flyingpencil]

I'M IN!

 

Made my piurchase, now to download.

(busy with Thanksgiving day activities)

[Karost]

welcome aboard   Flyingpencil

[DD_Crash]

Dont forget that 777 has sales. I bought RoF Iron Cross Edition for $9.99

[FlatSpinMan]

...oh...wait.....thats wasnt my inside voice was it

Hate it when that happens.

[-MG-Cacti4-6]

Hate it when that happens.

ya know. its like when im walking down the street muttering about what i consider "stupid civillians" and people are staring at me lol. 

 

*note: if you lived in south florida with more old people per capita than idiots in washington dc, you would understand hehe

[Obi1Wingman]

I could list the amount of games I currently support pre release, hmm OK I will;

pCars

Star Citizen

Xenonaughts

Arma 3

Nether

And a few others I can't recall after a few beers.

Having said that, there's also many games I have sunk money into, WT, WoT, MWO, and these have been a pleasure to play, regardless of their niggling aches/pains.

This game has given us a slice of a beautiful pie at a very early stage, and I see at least 3+ years of ROI (return on investment) coming from it.

Most of us aren't kids anymore and we need depth/longevity in our games (if u want to see terrible publishers check out the BF4 forums) where the aim isn't to see how fast we can finish the game or level up, but to fine tune our skills, even if that means we take off, land, a thousand times over.

I happily paid the 95 dollars, and would pay more, based on what I have seen already.

See u all in the skies.

[novicebutdeadly]

This is the first game that I have supported in a pre-release.

I honestly hope that the "hefty" price keeps out the unwanted, or at least most of them.

Yet that wasn't even considered when I pre-purchased the game, like most of you, I wanted a game that was a modernised version of il2.

A game that gained a reputation for realism, a trait that has kept it going for quite some time.

If we wanted a game that was just about graphics and "leveling up" (not a bad thing in and of itself) there are options out there.

But we don't, because we want realism.

I remember fondly my first few times (lol more like months), where I bore more of a resemblance to the screaming German (?) kid on youtube, than the "pilot" that I am today.

I look forward to il2 BOS maturing, and for those who feel it is just a dream or a fantasy that is "over priced", all I will say is that I would rather hope in that dream, than to concede that we live in a world of totally dumbed down no-skill games, filled with hackers who can't even reach the significantly lowered "bar" of skills.  

Edited December 3, 2013 by NBDnovicebutdeadly

[Zmaj76]

100 bucks sounds pricey (spec. to folks outside the comfort "west zone"M for us its more like 400 bucks for westerners, to be honest). But average modern big game titles costs arond 80 bucks. With that said good sims could be played for years unlike the other games. So I think its a good investment. Ofcourse....it would be even better if devs will be here through years..

Edited December 3, 2013 by Tvrdi

[Mac_Messer]

100$ is way too much, casual flight simmer just won't buy that. Hopefully there will be more affortable version on the release. If I had fairly interest in the game I would never buy it with that kind of money (comparing to current game prices, because never know how much games cost in the future), if there is going to be Steam release people are going to rip their pants off after seeing that price. I don't really care if the price is justified or not but for people with slight intrest that's huge investment.

Agree, 100 is very high price. World is not just USA and wealthy Western Europe. I don`t believe BoS costs the same in Russia when it comes out. Also, wouldn`t matter if they cover their costs at the start if the multiplayer scene is dead.

Maybe think of it this way...it keeps out the riff-raff. Griefers, hackers, cheats etc. It refines the demographic of players to those who take the subject seriously and improves the quality of play, amongst other things. BoS becomes quite an exclusive club, effectively.

It is a very limited tendency. Can`t keep those people out, no matter what game you play.

[Emgy]

Regular BoS will cost the same in Russia and all of the world. 60$ or 2000 rubles. Btw budget joysticks like Cobra M5 costs about the same, so it's not a big sum.

Edited December 3, 2013 by Calvamos

[Bearcat]

Agree, 100 is very high price. World is not just USA and wealthy Western Europe. I don`t believe BoS costs the same in Russia when it comes out. Also, wouldn`t matter if they cover their costs at the start if the multiplayer scene is dead.

It is a very limited tendency. Can`t keep those people out, no matter what game you play.

 

This is true... they just ... pop up like weeds.

[mondog]

As others have said, its buying the full game but also helping the creators get things right.  If it goes like the old IL2, I'll get thousands of hours out of this game so I'm more than willing to part with my cash now and help out the developers during the early access tests. 

[rockhpi]

I paid my $95 and haven't flown yet (harder for me to sit down for an extended period to learn during the week).  I have run it and looked at the eye candy - I even started the engine once!  I paid for premium early access in part for the extra planes but also to show support for the hobby.  The flight sim market is definitely shrinking and if I want future sims (Korea!  Korea!) I need to do what I can to let companies know they can make money with them.  Plus, I am very impressed with RoF so I know these guys make quality products.  

Edited December 3, 2013 by rockhpi

[thx1138]

In just two weeks, I am convinced this is the best $95 I've spent in a LONG time !

 

 

+1

 

[Herbs107]

There are people who have spent over $1000 already on Star Citizen and thats a long way from release. $95.00 for a full game which we get to play with from Alpha to full version release is really chicken feed. In Aus a new release game goes for around $89.00 or more so I'm not complaining about spending $95.00.

[Trident_109]

I look at the pre-purchase like this:

 

If you buy a portrait from a photography studio the final product's cost is negligible. Ink and paper don't cost a lot. What you are paying for is the talent and production costs to Photoshop, shoot and prepare the final product for printing and presentation to the client.

 

My $89.99 isn't for the final product per se, but for the development and production of the sim. The cost of the ones and zeros I download are minimal. The price I pay is for the talent of the people and costs of developing the game. Handing over the money to ensure I get the final product is an easy decision and a fair price.

 

Like a portrait, I'll enjoy this sim for many years. I gave my money in advance to ensure I can support the designers and staff to complete the game. Only a very small amount will go toward the ones and zeros I download. Seems fair to me. Notwithstanding an emergency situation, I trust that a game at least equivalent to RoF's quality will be on my hard drive come next spring.

[LukeFF]

I'm continually amazed that people think they should pay for a flight sim the same amount of money they paid out for flight sims back in the 90s and early 2000s. 

[III/JG11_Tiger]

I'm continually amazed that people think they should pay for a flight sim the same amount of money they paid out for flight sims back in the 90s and early 2000s. 

In Australia most of those were $90+ anyway  

 

Now that I've paid for it and cleared it from my Visa it seems almost free, I know that at some stage next year I will have a fully operating fs and no need to immediately fork out any cash

[ParaB]

When I bought Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe in 1992 I paid 120 DM for it. At that time that was about 80 USD.

 

If you just add 2% inflation over 20 years you're already close to 120 USD today...

 

 

 

 

[Emgy]

There are people who have spent over $1000 already on Star Citizen and thats a long way from release. $95.00 for a full game which we get to play with from Alpha to full version release is really chicken feed. In Aus a new release game goes for around $89.00 or more so I'm not complaining about spending $95.00.

Even without considering Star Citizen, a lot of people have more than 100$ invested in various Kickstarter projects that only had concept art and design documents at the time of their campaigns.

Unfortunately I think there will be some heartbreaks and duds from these first waves of kickstarter projects. (Not Star Citizen though, that should be a safe bet.)

Edited December 4, 2013 by Calvamos

[=AH=_Sid_]

There are people who have spent over $1000 already on Star Citizen and thats a long way from release.

 

Wow, am I reading that correctly, have they already raised nearly 34 Million US dollars! ($33,812,658) THE STRETCH GOALS

[Herbs107]

Wow, am I reading that correctly, have they already raised nearly 34 Million US dollars! ($33,812,658) THE STRETCH GOALS

Yes its correct, I read thru this EVGA forum topic and people have stated spending $1000 plus.

 

http://forums.evga.com/tm.aspx?m=1764302