Windsock?

[Fifi]

Hi,

 

Very important tool indeed, could be imported from ROF (easily?)...

Nicely done in ROF, and hoping it's in devs plans, but i'm quite confident!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzbGZA3SfnI

[Anatta]

In an other thread someone asked how landing is handeld now (because now contrary to RoF there are runways). I answered that the radio for that is already there which orders you to go round and give you clearance when you can land. And that's where I think this belongs now. You should get the wind direction etc. when you are requesting to land. (Although we can have windsocks too, of course )

Edited November 27, 2013 by Anatta

[Jason_Williams]

Of course we can do windsocks. Not sure how prevalent they were on the Eastern Front.

 

Jason

[Panzerlang]

A rag on a stick will do. Cross-wind landings suck when you've had a few schnapps.

[Fifi]

Not sure how prevalent they were on the Eastern Front.

 

Jason

 

Yes, wondering as well.

Would like to know, and just guessing important airfields like Tatsinskaya certainly had one...

[migmadmarine]

I always figured that they were pretty bog-standard at airfields. 

Edited November 28, 2013 by thenorm

[ParaB]

I always figured that they were pretty bog-standard at airfields. 

 

/This.

[pilotpierre]

I always figured that they were pretty bog-standard at airfields.

Me three.

Edited November 28, 2013 by pilotpierre

[MiloMorai]

I always figured that they were pretty bog-standard at airfields. 

 

or even a flag blowing in the wind.

[wastel]

They are a must..even with the big round AF in the east...the pilot must have an visual help to know the landing(starting) direction.

Or..on "fixed" runways..to know what direction is best. 

 

Wastel

[Finkeren]

Flipping through images of Soviet airfields from the era, I actually couldn't find a single image of a windsock, even in the background.

 

Still I think it's one of the few cases, where the devs should employ the principle, that "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". With the rather realistic modeling of crosswind landings, I think we're really gonna need those socks.

[SvAF/F19_Klunk]

A flag should suffice for the purpose if windsocks are not historical correct...

[migmadmarine]

Even if they were dodgy in their historical accuracy,  I would not object to the presence of windsocks. 

[DD_bongodriver]

Potentially windsocks could have been difficult to use in that particular theatre, they can freeze and have other snowy blizzard infested wasteland problems, but a small smoky fire could be a useful aid.

[Pierre64]

...but a small smoky fire could be a useful aid.

+1

On 2 September 1942, the ground personnel on Nikolkoye airfield lit red and blue smoke pots, which every unit kept on hand for signaling purposes, to welcome the 1500th operational sortie of 3.(H)/Aufklärungsgruppe 31 equipped with Bf 110s and supporting the advance toward Stalingrad and Caucasus.

Source : Luftwaffe im Focus Nr. 18, by Axel Urbanke.

[DairyAir]

FWIW...

 

Canada extends North into the Arctic circle.

Windsocks are present at every Airport in Canada that I'm aware of.

My Aerodrome has one.

The snow flies every winter, and so does my windsock regardless of weather.

 

 

Private airstrips sometimes use other than conventional windsocks.

Such as flags, pennants, and pretty much anything that indicates wind direction.

Including for emergency use, smoky fires.

 

Radios do not always work, especially under battle conditions.

A flare can be useful to determine wind direction, if the flare's drift direction can be observed.

A low and slow pass at 50M altitude, down the runway chosen for landing. Will educate the pilot about local surface wind action also.

[DD_bongodriver]

Yes, modern airfields have maintenance staff that can keep windsocks in operation, remote wartime airfields probably enjoyed much less care and maintenance.

[Uriah]

Maybe when it is windy we could just have snow blowing across the runway.  

[DairyAir]

Yes, modern airfields have maintenance staff that can keep windsocks in operation, remote wartime airfields probably enjoyed much less care and maintenance.

No war here, no maintenance staff either.

I put up the windsock. A few years pass.

The windsock becomes faded, or frayed by the wind.

I put up a new windsock.

Not a big deal!

 

Flags are not as good because they flutter in a general direction, instead of pointing directly downwind.

[DD_bongodriver]

Windsocks it is then

[MiloMorai]

Definitely need some sort of wind indicator especially when trying to land a Bf109.

[LukeFF]

I've a feeling this is going to a tough one to crack, as windsocks weren't exactly the focus of airfield photos during the war. 

[Fifi]

Yeah, and i don't recall seeing any windsock in other sim than ROF either...

[DairyAir]

Yeah, and i don't recall seeing any windsock in other sim than ROF either...

Well for one, MS FS has had windsocks for a long time.

Also Rise Of Flight does windsocks very well.

 

Just sayin' Eh!

[Fifi]

Never played Microsoft simulations...and don't think i'll start now.

Oh... thinking about, i could have played one of the very first one for short time, but don't recall very well.

Only thing i remember from it, was it was very first "real picture" ground effect rendering...do you remember?

And there was a flyable spitfire in it...but i don't remember the windsocks!

Edited November 30, 2013 by Fifi

[Wombat]

  I think drifting smoke from oil drum or chimneys would be great. Diesel smoke, dust or snow from vehicles and AC on the ground would be another. But most of all wind sock and flares would be great.

[Jupp]

~S~ Well then, seeing as we're improvising here...

 

[Jupp]

...and Fifi do you mean this one?

 

[Uriah]

Maybe a Wyoming Windsock would do.

[Obi1Wingman]

My question would be, from how far would you be able to see the windsock, to make correct adjustments to your approach, or would you need to do a flyby to correctly gauge?

I'm thinking it would have to be quite large?

[Sokol1]

Yeah, and i don't recall seeing any windsock in other sim than ROF either...

 

Even the broken Clo+D have windsock (well, made in heavy canvas, and not properly calibrated... )

 

 

The wind is dynamic, but   has strange "FM".

 

Sokol1

[Quax]

Of course we can do windsocks. Not sure how prevalent they were on the Eastern Front.

 

Jason

 

Hi Jason, i send you PM about windsocks on the Eastern Front. 

[Obi1Wingman]

Even the broken Clo+D have windsock (well, made in heavy canvas, and not properly calibrated... )

 

 

The wind is dynamic, but has strange "FM".

 

Sokol1

How far away would you be able to see that?

Forgot to add also the positioning of the sock so that it wouldn't be obstructed by the cockpit/plane on approach.

[DairyAir]

How far away would you be able to see that?

Forgot to add also the positioning of the sock so that it wouldn't be obstructed by the cockpit/plane on approach.

My windsock is approximately 2M long, larger end opening 45CM.

It can be seen clearly from several Km. Of course depending on weather.

At DairyAir the windsock flies from a 7M aluminum flagpole, located 15M to the left of the runway 10 threshold.

In the aerial photo above the windsock can be seen, low and to the right of the number 10.

 

At Airports, windsocks are MUCH larger.

[Fifi]

Hi Jason, i send you PM about windsocks on the Eastern Front. 

 

Could you share your find here? 

 

 

Even the broken Clo+D have windsock (well, made in heavy canvas, and not properly calibrated... )

 

 

The wind is dynamic, but   has strange "FM".

 

Sokol1

 

Mod?...

[Sokol1]

No, is already in game, just need to be include in missions (SP/MP) is the

Static Object > Environment > Windsock_Heavy (and is is the problem, this thing is heavy... ).

Dont set wind more than 2/3 ms, or planes do strange things.

 

Sokol1

[DairyAir]

How to use a windsock to gauge wind speed.

As well as wind  direction, and gusty turbulent air.

A very useful, low tech, low maintenance, low cost instrument.

 

A windsock will take a lot of battle damage, and continue to function.

Towed behind an aircraft, it makes for fine gunnery practice.

 

Every serious flight sim should  have them.

 

This from Wiki:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsock

 

 

Per Transport Canada Standards: a 15kn wind will fully extend the Wind Sock, a 10kt wind will cause the wind sock to be 5° below the horizontal, a 6kt wind will cause the wind sock to be 30° below the horizontal.

At many airports, windsocks are lighted at night, either by flood lights on top surrounding it or with one mounted on the pole shining inside it.

 

 

[Obi1Wingman]

My windsock is approximately 2M long, larger end opening 45CM.

It can be seen clearly from several Km. Of course depending on weather.

At DairyAir the windsock flies from a 7M aluminum flagpole, located 15M to the left of the runway 10 threshold.

In the aerial photo above the windsock can be seen, low and to the right of the number 10.

 

At Airports, windsocks are MUCH larger.

Cheers DairyAir!

[Fifi]

...and Fifi do you mean this one?

 

 

No, but i remember the one now: Microsoft combat simulator from 1998! 

Was my first WW2  :

 

[Fifi]

Finally last update we got nice red flags to use as windsocks...(thanks devs btw)

 

That's a pretty good idea, and i like it instead of nothing!

 

Red flags for Russian side is quite obvious, but what could be for future German side airfields? 

Black flags...traditional German WW2 black cross flag...or swatiska flag? (unlikely the last one in stock game)