3000m altitude limit.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Climbing to 3000 meters takes a pretty long time in a bomber, loaded with approx 50% fuel and bombs. Especially the Axis planes is a pain to get up to 3000m, not impossible at all only takes a long time. And when you arrive at 3000m, you have used the time you have available in climb mode on the throttle, the 30min max!

 

So getting up to 4000 and 5000 meters, how is that done if possible and am I the only one who has difficulties in this matter?

 

I try to keep the VSI on 500, but often it drops to 100 or 200 even when I try to trim the aircraft.

 

The Pe-2 is a bit better in climbing but when I reach 3000m it begins to have problems too.

 

Like to hear other pilots experience with this, and tips on how too if possible.

[coconut]

I can't really speak for the Axis planes, but for the Pe2 a good advice that was given to me by Bexhausted IIRC was to keep the speed of the plane to 300kph. I know the optimal climb speed is often cited to be a bit lower than that, but if you want to keep climbing over a long period, it seems going a bit faster than that helps.

[SYN_Mike77]

are you adjusting the air intake?  Are you using boost or superchargers depending on the plane?  I can pretty easily get to 5000 meters but above 3000 it does take some engine management.

[SCG_happy_meal]

Do you need 50% fuel in the he111? i feel that 15-20% is more than enough for most missions (the tank is 3500 l and burns 0,9l/km). during the climb remember to increase the throttle to maintain maximum manifold pressure. i try to hold the climb speed to 250, and have a climb of 5-10m/s, after 30min you should be at 4000-5000m.

Edited October 15, 2016 by happy_meal

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Each aircraft has its ideal climb speed, so pitch them for around that zone and be patient. The He-111 and Ju-87 are slowpokes, there is no way around it. I don't know much about them though, others might be able to help.

 

About the Pe-2, are you switching supercharger gears above 2000m (default LShift-S)? Also, climb RPM is around 2600 with manifold open at will. Depending on the outside temperature, you should be able to close the radiators to a considerable extent which makes it a little easier.

 

All things considered, bombers are a work of art and patience. Just enjoy the ride and if possible climb before you hit the frontlines to avoid being toast.

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Never climb based on vsi use the best climb speed for the aircraft

[Asgar]

if you use up the 30min of climb power and only get to 3k meters, then you're doing something wrong

[216th_Jordan]

Also make sure to use trim for ideal climb speed!

 

I can just speak for Pe-2 as I've flown it mostly, but when I set pitch trim to 75% in them the thing climbs best (around 280 kph).

[Finkeren]

I find it depends on the plane type for me.

 

The Ju 87 and He 111 are almost unbearably slow climbers, where the Pe-2 climbs well with all but the heaviest bomb load.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

I follow Chucks guide with all the settings and still struggles with it, and having 50% fuel should not be a problem. That is what puzzels me. And especial now when you guys dont seem to have the same problem.

[Monostripezebra]

time, loadout and supercharger..

 

be patient, take only what you need for your mission and don´t forget to switch the superchargers in the planes that need them (on the map screen there is tech info in the 2nd tab of the briefing thing)

 

also: observe best climb speed, which is not the same as steepest up-angle.

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

 

 

Just enjoy the ride

 

^ This. I always have a human gunner or fighter cover, for conversation entertainment and general moral increase. If you suck at climbing (like me) they will increase your patience. 

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

 

^ This. I always have a human gunner or fighter cover, for conversation entertainment and general moral increase. If you suck at climbing (like me) they will increase your patience. 

 

That's why I'm in a Squad. Find people that fit your level of political correctness and join their squad. There is plenty of [Edited] to be talked, and plenty to talk it with you. The Climbs will take their time, if you are heavy it can take 30 minutes or so. Doing that all alone is boring. 

Edited October 17, 2016 by Bearcat
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[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Yup, the more the merrier.

 

Plus, having others to fly with can help you hone your techniques. It's easier to learn how to climb properly when someone in your group is showing how to do it right in front of you and also transmitting engine settings and the likes.

[Lusekofte]

Also make sure to use trim for ideal climb speed!

 

I can just speak for Pe-2 as I've flown it mostly, but when I set pitch trim to 75% in them the thing climbs best (around 280 kph).

I agree, keep the speed above 250 kph, over 3 k 300 kph means lower climb rate

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Superchargers is used, no sweat there

I usually circle the base from where I took of until I reach a certain altitude. By doing it this way I get the AA to protect me and there is usually a lot of friendly fighters around.

 

Yup can be lonely and last Friday I did finally get some escort fighters which was great. Sadly sim crashed just after I bombed.

I haven't found a squad which flies Friday evenings CET, yet!

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Climbing in spiral is always slower than climbing in a straight line. The tighter the turn, the slower the climb. It's even possible NOT to climb if you turn too much, even with max power. 

Don't bother climbing above the base, get up to 600-800m if you want then set course to a empty area of the map, or towards another friendly base and climb straight. You'll get to 4k in less than 20min.

 

Also, I don't know what plane and loadout you are using, but with the heinkel, never take more than 2500kg of bombs. The 2xSC1800 isn't even historical and super heavy. Same goes with the SC2500. if you want it, don't take any other bomb with it. And 40% of fuel is enough to make the whole round trip around the borders of the map. Same with the Stuka and the SC1800, you'll be overloading the plane unless you are flying on a winter map.

 

Also don't try to maintain a given vertical speed and forget about that VSI. Just take the optimal climbing speed of the aircraft +10/20kph and let the plane climb at his own pace.

Edited October 16, 2016 by F/JG300_Gruber

[6./ZG26_Emil]

50% fuel is a lot!

 

also....what Klaus said 

[Asgar]

what is that "political correctness" Klaus is talking about? ever heard of it. Do we have one of those in ZG26?

[wtornado]

30% fuel the maps are small you do not need more in the HE-111

 

I trim the plane and give it a little flaps and do not climb steeply

do not go below 250 kph and adjust you pitch accordingly.

 

You can easily climb to 5000m and it climbs quite well for its size.

[6./ZG26_Emil]

what is that "political correctness" Klaus is talking about? ever heard of it. Do we have one of those in ZG26?

 

It think he meant the zero kind lol

 

I hope he's not 'putin' things out of perspective lol

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

[Edited]

 

No... that is too much.

Edited October 17, 2016 by Bearcat

[wtornado]

No one I know is interested in flight sims anymore Cliffs of Dover shied them away

and no one ever came back.

 

The shining luster of the old 1946 series faded into nothingness with everyone I flew with after a decade of play.

 

I can't say I will never join a squad it depends on 2.004 and the game's online play,AI

and server population and of course offline capabilities too.

 

ANything is possible with game coding and patches and fixed.

 

When I bought ARMA 3 when it came out you could not run through a village without serious video lag

or you could not engage more than 2 players with serious lag it was UNPLAYABLE,

 

Look at that game today and look at its sales and the number of players.

 

Then went at it and fixed and fixed and fixed with significant  highly visible progress within a year

the game was 100% better.

 

I have been here for 3 years let's see where we are truly headed.

[[DBS]Prody]

If flying campaign missions you are forced to use at least 50% fuel ,otherwise in multiplayer 30% is enough ( is actually more than needed for the flight but you might get shot in the fuel tanks and it pays to have some extra fuel ) . 

A good bomb load with the He111is 2000 kg ( 2x1000 kg or 1x1000 kg and 4x250 kg internal) . As some of the guys pointed out, try to climb with 5m/s at around 250 km/h -. For example , with this bomb-load, after take off set throttle to 82% , rpm to 77% , trim your nose up to 20% (in general, some 7-10% left aileron trim is needed since the plane has a small tendency to roll port side ) and keep your eyes on the  air speed . Try to hold the climb at around 5m/s , do not allow for more than 5m/s in order to avoid loosing air speed  - otherwise you will fly like a roller coaster. I usually trim the nose with extra 10% for every thousand meters , this way the plane climbs with minimal input from the pilot's part - you are free to check gunners positions and stuff while the plane will climb by itself, in around 25 min you should reach 5000 meters, it depends of the map, on a winter map it climbs better . These are some general guidelines , some specific factors might require for different trim values .

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Talking He-111 this time.

Fuel 31%. 2 x 1000kg bombs.

Supercharger is on auto.

After take off prop pitch set to 75%, throttle so I get 2300rpm.

Speed maintained at about 250.

Take off shorter than usually due to less fuel. Climb to 1000m pretty fast. To 2000m okay. To 3000m, a bit longer.

When at 3000m I try to gain aditional altitude speed drop when I pull gently back on the stick. Try trim which only let me gain a few meters, then Im back to level flight.

Hmm. Maybe I should change callsign to "Mr. 3000 meters!"

[SCG_happy_meal]

my cheat note on the desk says

RPM: 2250 mana: 1,15   71%/          unlimited

RPM:2400 mana: 1,25   85%/(90)%     30min,climb/flee

RPM 2600 mana: 142    100%/100%   1min,start

 

Works for me, so you can get a little more umpf from your he111.

 

 http://il2map.info/map?type=bos_stalingrad  Is a great tool to get the fuel load down to a minimum.

a exemple so would i use 13% to get from novo(0812) to stalingrad(1026) and back, 

140km+40km+140km=320km    

320lm*0,9L/km=288L

288/3500L=8% + 5% for fuelleaks and getting lost marginal.

 

you are welcome to tag along on a bomb run when TAW starts again. (you do only need 3% fuel to fly over here so we are in the same time zone   )

Edited October 19, 2016 by happy_meal

[F/JG300_Gruber]

Talking He-111 this time.

Fuel 31%. 2 x 1000kg bombs.

Supercharger is on auto.

After take off prop pitch set to 75%, throttle so I get 2300rpm.

Speed maintained at about 250.

Take off shorter than usually due to less fuel. Climb to 1000m pretty fast. To 2000m okay. To 3000m, a bit longer.

When at 3000m I try to gain aditional altitude speed drop when I pull gently back on the stick. Try trim which only let me gain a few meters, then Im back to level flight.

Hmm. Maybe I should change callsign to "Mr. 3000 meters!"

 

Something isn't right. 

While the transition from 2000m to 3000m is sometimes sluggish, I never had any trouble getting up to 5000m after that.

 

2300rpm is good, you can even push it to 2400rpm for a little gain. 

What are your manifold pressure settings during the climb ? 

It should read 1.25ATA up to ~2000m then drop to 1.2 up to 3000m and then get back up to 1.25+ ATA once the superchargers change gear above 3000m.

 

Sorry for that stupid question but may it be possible that you forgot to retract the flaps after take off ? 

[Plurp]

Talking He-111 this time.

Fuel 31%. 2 x 1000kg bombs.

Supercharger is on auto.

After take off prop pitch set to 75%, throttle so I get 2300rpm.

Speed maintained at about 250.

Take off shorter than usually due to less fuel. Climb to 1000m pretty fast. To 2000m okay. To 3000m, a bit longer.

When at 3000m I try to gain aditional altitude speed drop when I pull gently back on the stick. Try trim which only let me gain a few meters, then Im back to level flight.

Hmm. Maybe I should change callsign to "Mr. 3000 meters!"

For a comparison, He-111 @ 24% fuel (my normal), 2 x 1000 kg bombs

Altimeter reference pressure set to airfield elevation

After takeoff prop pitch at 87% (2400 rpm), throttle @ 92%  for 1.2 ATA

Speed maintained at 240, decreasing slowly after 3000 meters to about 210

Summer map:  at about 1400 meters I go full throttle as ATA has dropped until 3000 m then back to 92% and can reach 4300 meters when climb mode time is up  Rads both at 100%

Winter map:  at about 1800 meters I go full throttle as ATA has dropped until 3000 m then back to 92% and can reach 5400 meters when climb mode time is up. Rads at 25%, increasing to 50% above 4k.

Edited October 19, 2016 by Beedo

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I have been known to forget to raise the gear!

Gear, flaps, open canopy, bomb bay doors... If I can forget it, I will. I've even had a few accidental 0% RPM take-offs in the Pe-2 and LaGG-3. Not recommended.

[216th_Jordan]

Needless to say, performance at 0% RPM is 'uninspiring' LOL

I once saw a Pe-2 doing three takeoff rolls in a row (always to the other end of the runway) because it did not understand that its rpm was at 0% It had the speed of a slug.

 

Anyway, some people use flaps for climb, if you did it: don't do it anymore! Flaps are for smaller turn radius/slower speed but decrease lift-to-drag immensely.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Gonna try that Beedo.

[Y-29.Silky]

My observation, especially with Axis bombers, is the reason why it takes so long is, people are taking the biggest payloads they can carry. 

x2, external 1000kg is going to take a while..

[F/JG300_Gruber]

My observation, especially with Axis bombers, is the reason why it takes so long is, people are taking the biggest payloads they can carry. 

 

x2, external 1000kg is going to take a while..

 

Given how sluggish the Heinkel is even empty, better compensate with what you can 

 

2x1000kg isn't that bad. 2X1800 now that is a very ponderous load !

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Given how sluggish the Heinkel is even empty, better compensate with what you can 

 

2x1000kg isn't that bad. 2X1800 now that is a very ponderous load !

Well, with that you shouldn't do more than Low Level attacks on Ships. 

[F/JG300_Gruber]

.... Or kissing the trees at the runway's end when flying on a summer map !

[Y-29.Silky]

Like to hear other pilots experience with this, and tips on how too if possible.

 

Here's what I do with the He-111, turn on tech chat until you know the limits.. 

 

25% fuel (some people I know even go down to 15)

85% throttle 

85% RPM's 

Open/Close rads as needed. 

You can do this power for 90% of the sortie. 

 

You'll be up to 3000m in no time.

Of course if you have one or two 1000kg bombs sticking out, it's going to take a little bit of time. But I like to go to over 4000m carrying the internal payload.