Mig-3 Evasive maneuver

[ColdCraving]

Hello, i am looking for some tips, experiences,... about the Mig-3 Evasive maneuver.

 

Actually i use it as a BaZ and Energy Fighter around 4000-5000m and it's a good plane but when i get caught low after a fight or climbing,... i am everytime shot down..  any suggestion for evasive maneuver that work well with the Mig-3 ? actually i am using some Snap Roll and Barrel Roll with 25% combat flaps to make the German Overshoot me and use the nice acceleration of the Mig-3 to make a burst or try leaving but it's not super efficient !

 

Any Suggestion ?

[-TBC-AeroAce]

Hi, 

 

I fly the mig a lot and sorry to say that if you get slow and low with it you have very little chance of evading a 109. Your best bet is to try out turn them as the low speed handling is very good because of the slats. I would not use flaps as they will slow you down to much. The other key thing with the mig is to always be trimming the rudder as if you dont you will flop all over the place.

 

Best bet with mig though is set a hard deck of 1000m-1500m and never go below that with out recovering to it.

[216th_Jordan]

Don't climb with the 109s. When there is one behind you, then you are in a baf situation and in need of quite a bit of luck. Flaps sometimes do work when ita about decreasing turn radius for a short time. generally speaking: try not to go below 300 kph for any extended time. I perform a quick snaproll at 0 flaps and it works wonders sometimes, but don't think about pulling a shot after that manouver

 

Best thing is to be around other allies that can help you, performance wise the mig-3 is outclassed too much by the 109 at the deck.

[Irgendjemand]

low speed handling is very good

I guess it was famous for its good stability right?

 

EDIT: Just kidding:P Dont start a discussion about that now please..

 

On the question: Against a decent 109 pilot you cant really do much. At very low speeds i had MIG3s outturning me in my 109. How far this was my fault i dont know. He surely had its flaps out to the ground. It was when the MIG first came out. Last time this didnt happen anymore.

Edited October 11, 2016 by Irgendjemand

[Trinkof]

I guess it was famous for its good stability right?

Yeah, I agree with this sarcasm ... From my experience with it I would say quite the opposite : low speed handling is shit ... And if you are in a situation where you need flaps or slats... Well you are probably already dead in a mig3 unless someone save you.

 

I love the plane... But basically it is an energy or BnZ fighter with catastrophic high speed controls... Which is "unfortunate" ... And catastrophic stability at low speed. It is good between 400 and 600 km.h , but far worse than any other plane we have above and below these speed.

 

And anyway, 109 will have the upper hand in maneuvrability almost in every situation ... So ... Best advice : avoid situation where you need to do evasive maneuver

Edited October 11, 2016 by LAL_Trinkof

[-TBC-AeroAce]

ok what i mean by low seed handling was that it will stall at a much lower speed that the 109! Use that as u can

[Trinkof]

Just wanted to add a small advice for evasive maneuver :

 

Negative G maneuver works rather well for any plane , coupled with a good kick in the rudder... Will bleed energy quickly .... Will kill you at low speed ... But worth a try when things get desesperate.

Edited October 11, 2016 by LAL_Trinkof

[Y29.Layin_Scunion]

I'm surprised no one has said this yet and it is not meant to sound patronizing but....

 

get a wingman!

[JG5_Schuck]

I'm surprised no one has said this yet and it is not meant to sound patronizing but....

 

get a wingman!

 

Exactly this, even 2 I16's are a pain if piloted by people who know what they are doing!! 

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Nothing beyond what's been said here.

 

Keep your speeds high - the MiG thrives between the 350-600 mark. Be aggressive with scissors and others. Don't be scared to engage the boost and climb while the enemy repositions, but never enter a climbing contest - in other words, climb when you can, but don't climb together. Use that barrel roll with flaps you mentioned as a last ditch resort, but make sure to perform it nice and wide, and work on the timing. Ideally you will perform it looking up, and you will see the tracers constantly passing above the cockpit at all times. You can perform the barrel roll downwards since this will make you drop faster from the enemy's sight and it'll force them to roll inverted to go after you.

 

Overall, the MiG-3 is a very good interceptor but not a plane for knife fights inside phone booths. It accelerates well, both horizontally and vertically, despite being inferior to the Bf-109 in these aspects, so what I've found works best is to deal with attacks on you as they come, then work on getting into a favourable position. It will be a more elegant fight of merging and disengaging, but one where you can catch a 109 pilot who is too obsessed with killing you off. If you play the long game, they might get impatient and make a mistake. Then you go and kill the bastard. It's way easier said than done though, but alas

[GridiroN]

I'm surprised no one has said this yet and it is not meant to sound patronizing but....

 

get a wingman!

 

The greatest strength of the Russian teams on WoL and TaW is you never fight just 1 Russian. Anytime I'm putting bullets in someone in front of me, there is someone behind me about 80% of the time. 

[ColdCraving]

Thank all i gonna test all your suggestion ! for the wingman.. yes it's quite obvious ! ty ... i was asking more for the situation where i am alone and looking for a solution to evade enemy attacks

[216th_Xenos]

Use it exclusively for high level. Above 5k even the F4 won't cath you. Then just BnZ from there. Hell, go up to 9k and put the 109 to shame

[ColdCraving]

Use it exclusively for high level. Above 5k even the F4 won't cath you. Then just BnZ from there. Hell, go up to 9k and put the 109 to shame

 could be nice But BOS can't render more that 9.5km so no 111/110 or 109/190 climbing that high...because you see nothing up there... that a point where Bos turn Arcade for me, i never climb that high there is nothing to do there

Edited October 12, 2016 by ColdCraving

[Trinkof]

could be nice But BOS can't render more that 9.5km so no 111/110 or 109/190 climbing that high...because you see nothing up there... that a point where Bos turn Arcade for me, i never climb that high there is nothing to do there

To be efficient in a mig 5k is a minimum ... Your job is not to be down low with this plane, but to force the messer camping up high to go down and face yak and lala, where they are the best.

 

I would say that even at 5k the 109F4 or g2 still has the advantage on a co-E engagement.

 

On a moscow senario versus a F2 the mig shines a lot more and can fight on equal terms

[Gambit21]

Nothing beyond what's been said here.

 

Keep your speeds high - the MiG thrives between the 350-600 mark. Be aggressive with scissors and others. Don't be scared to engage the boost and climb while the enemy repositions, but never enter a climbing contest - in other words, climb when you can, but don't climb together. Use that barrel roll with flaps you mentioned as a last ditch resort, but make sure to perform it nice and wide, and work on the timing. Ideally you will perform it looking up, and you will see the tracers constantly passing above the cockpit at all times. You can perform the barrel roll downwards since this will make you drop faster from the enemy's sight and it'll force them to roll inverted to go after you.

 

Overall, the MiG-3 is a very good interceptor but not a plane for knife fights inside phone booths. It accelerates well, both horizontally and vertically, despite being inferior to the Bf-109 in these aspects, so what I've found works best is to deal with attacks on you as they come, then work on getting into a favourable position. It will be a more elegant fight of merging and disengaging, but one where you can catch a 109 pilot who is too obsessed with killing you off. If you play the long game, they might get impatient and make a mistake. Then you go and kill the bastard. It's way easier said than done though, but alas

Good post Lucas

Meshes well with my online philosophy from back in the day while flying just about anything. I found that when I stopped caring about kills, and flew more like my actual life was on the line - the kills came, just not every mission...but I was almost always alive to land back at base (or the carrier)

[ColdCraving]

Ty guys with all your advices i've already improve my skill on Mig !