Soviet transport aircraft

[6./ZG26_Loke]

Now when the Axis side have one and soon in a flyable version, shouldn't there be one for the VVS side too?

Like the Lisunov Li-2!

[Cybermat47]

The Li-2/C-47/L2D would definitely be nice to have. We may well see it if the Ju-52 sells well.

[wtornado]

Think big like the PE-8

[Neil]

Of course a Li2 would be a must have!

But first as said before, we have to see how the ju52 sells!

 

keep in mind that this is the first time that we will fly transport in a ww2 simulator (a huge step!) 

A li2 would be fantastic then

 

It would be easy to create a C47 and a L2D (japanese C47) after that for the pacific theater.

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Would love the C-47 for cargo ops in the pacific, dropping supplies by chutes. 

[Asgar]

I wouldn't count on it. If I remember correctly Jason mentioned that they weren't exactly stunned by the number of Ju-52s sold

 

Edit: F you autocorrect xD

Edited September 25, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Asgar

[PantsPilot]

I'd like to see an earlier war Soviet bomber such as the IL-4, it gets a bit boring always intercepting Pe-2's. You could do much more with that than a VVS transport - including torpedo bombing.

[Neil]

I wouldn't count on it. If I remember correctly Jason mentioned that they weren't exactly stunned by the number of Ju-52s sold

 

Edit: F you autocorrect xD

That is very sad, I hope that they will be stunned one day.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I wouldn't count on it. If I remember correctly Jason mentioned that they weren't exactly stunned by the number of Ju-52s sold

 

Edit: F you autocorrect xD

 

I'll admit... I haven't bought it yet. I intend to but the Yak-1B was a guaranteed purchase. The team needs to talk a little more about what the Ju52 will be able to do and what kinds of missions it can fly in the campaign for example. I know they have said some things in the Q&A section but they need to put some focus on it in a Dev diary.

 

That is very sad, I hope that they will be stunned one day.

 

It's a bit sad but also something predictable. There were loud voices speaking for a flyable Ju52 but they may not have been very numerous voices. This is something that happens often and its worth remembering.

[LuftManu]

I wouldn't count on it. If I remember correctly Jason mentioned that they weren't exactly stunned by the number of Ju-52s sold

 

Edit: F you autocorrect xD

That,s a business strategy so we buy it even more 

Edited September 25, 2016 by Ala13_ManuV

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Now when the Axis side have one and soon in a flyable version, shouldn't there be one for the VVS side too?

Like the Lisunov Li-2!

 

If it helps at all, the A-20 was frequently used as a high-speed transport, particularly for personnel, so we have our transport lined up already.

 

May the fighters have mercy on Tante Ju cruising at a whooping 190 km/h as the Bostons breeze beyond 500 km/h

 

Mission designers could balance that by accounting for the load these aircraft could take. Say, 3 A-20 runs equal one Ju-52, but the situation is still terrible for that tri-motor beauty.

Edited September 25, 2016 by 55IAP_Lucas_From_Hell

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

I am sure as soon the 52 release there will be more buying it or new info about it and when paratroopers and cargo drops gets introduced. 

 

 

May the fighters have mercy on Tante Ju cruising at a whooping 190 km/h as the Bostons breeze beyond 500 km/h 

 

Enemy fighters will just stall when they try to position themselves at the 52s 6 o'clock. All you gotta do with the 52 is, plan the route and stay at low altitude(watch out for AA tho). The biggest challange comes when you approach the airfield you are going to supply since the enemy will probably be in that are

Edited September 25, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[Neil]

 The team needs to talk a little more about what the Ju52 will be able to do and what kinds of missions it can fly in the campaign for example. I know they have said some things in the Q&A section but they need to put some focus on it in a Dev diary.

 

 

It's a bit sad but also something predictable. There were loud voices speaking for a flyable Ju52 but they may not have been very numerous voices. This is something that happens often and its worth remembering.

True, but I am sure that with proper objectives , a solo campaign , there will be much more sales. 

So this plane is half finished for the moment.

[MiloMorai]

I am sure as soon the 52 release there will be more buying it or new info about it and when paratroopers and cargo drops gets introduced. 

 

 

 

Enemy fighters will just stall when they try to position themselves at the 52s 6 o'clock. All you gotta do with the 52 is, plan the route and stay at low altitude(watch out for AA tho). The biggest challange comes when you approach the airfield you are going to supply since the enemy will probably be in that are

 

Maybe.

 

Operation Flax - Palm Sunday Massacre

 

4 SM.82,123 - 157 Ju52s, 21 Me323s (total 423 Axis a/c) lost

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

Enemy fighters will just stall when they try to position themselves at the 52s 6 o'clock. All you gotta do with the 52 is, plan the route and stay at low altitude(watch out for AA tho). The biggest challange comes when you approach the airfield you are going to supply since the enemy will probably be in that are

 

There won't be much need for sitting on the six though with the P-39. From the Ju-52 pilot's perspective, you will first hear your gunner opening up from a distance. Then comes the rattling of machine gun fire - 2 x 12.7mm, 4 x 7.62mm - and the first systems start to give in. The next second, once the P-39's driver has calibrated their aim and closed in, a 37mm shell explodes, followed by another, and a third one. The machine guns have never stopped, and by now the Junkers is Swiss cheese, smoking and possibly on fire. You hear the loud noise of an Allison engine flying by you while you battle the controls. Mother Earth, previously a comfortable 100m below you, is approaching. You brace for the impact and curse at the Cobra driver who is probably enjoying watching you crash and burn from their comfy bubble canopy.

 

Fine, maybe I am biased and this is overly dramatic, but it shan't be easy. At the same time, the constant feeling of danger is exciting

[6./ZG26_McKvack]

Maybe.

 

Operation Flax - Palm Sunday Massacre

 

4 SM.82,123 - 157 Ju52s, 21 Me323s (total 423 Axis a/c) lost

 

Pffft american propaganda 

 

There won't be much need for sitting on the six though with the P-39. From the Ju-52 pilot's perspective, you will first hear your gunner opening up from a distance. Then comes the rattling of machine gun fire - 2 x 12.7mm, 4 x 7.62mm - and the first systems start to give in. The next second, once the P-39's driver has calibrated their aim and closed in, a 37mm shell explodes, followed by another, and a third one. The machine guns have never stopped, and by now the Junkers is Swiss cheese, smoking and possibly on fire. You hear the loud noise of an Allison engine flying by you while you battle the controls. Mother Earth, previously a comfortable 100m below you, is approaching. You brace for the impact and curse at the Cobra driver who is probably enjoying watching you crash and burn from their comfy bubble canopy.

 

Fine, maybe I am biased and this is overly dramatic, but it shan't be easy. At the same time, the constant feeling of danger is exciting

 

You forgot the 5 other Ju-52s in the formation. Some will die, some will survive and just a lucky hit from the MG15 and the P-39 wont stay airborne for much longer 

Edited September 25, 2016 by 6./ZG26_McKvack

[216th_Lucas_From_Hell]

I wonder how the rear placement of the engine will affect damage resistance from gunners.

 

One thing the Ju-52 has going is the redundancy (three engines) and simplicity - shoot at the fuselage all you want and that thing will still keep flying unless you kill the crew.

[6./ZG26_Loke]

 

There won't be much need for sitting on the six though with the P-39. From the Ju-52 pilot's perspective, you will first hear your gunner opening up from a distance. Then comes the rattling of machine gun fire - 2 x 12.7mm, 4 x 7.62mm - and the first systems start to give in. The next second, once the P-39's driver has calibrated their aim and closed in, a 37mm shell explodes, followed by another, and a third one. The machine guns have never stopped, and by now the Junkers is Swiss cheese, smoking and possibly on fire. You hear the loud noise of an Allison engine flying by you while you battle the controls. Mother Earth, previously a comfortable 100m below you, is approaching. You brace for the impact and curse at the Cobra driver who is probably enjoying watching you crash and burn from their comfy bubble canopy.

It will be the P-39 jockey who will end up crashing. When I twist and turn the Ju-52 into never seen before manoeuvres to evade the wasted bullets from the incoming P-39.

P-39 will either end up stalling or speed dive into the ground in the try to hit this all over the sky Ju-52 .

 

I am really looking forward to this aircraft (Ju-52) and the missions for it. The same would be for Li-2 if it will ever come. And yes Lucas, the A-20 can be used for transport just as the He-111 is.

[Y-29.Silky]

I read Li-2's dropped bombs out of the side doors over Stalingrad. Should definitely be included.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Y-29.Silky

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

I wouldn't count on it. If I remember correctly Jason mentioned that they weren't exactly stunned by the number of Ju-52s sold

 

Edit: F you autocorrect xD

To be fair without any ingame footage or detailed information on the new gameplay mechanics this isn't too suprisig. Depending on how well it will turn out I imagine sales might increase significantly once people can actually get a real taste of what it will be like ingame.

 

Also the Ju-52 is the first aircraft to expand the gameplay mechanics of the current modules which again is an improvement to the overall product.

[Neil]

Well said 5tuka!

I would say moreover, the junkers 52 will attract players outside our current player base.

I am sure that many flight simmer would love to fly the ju52/dc3 variants in transport missions (in solo and multi)

I am quite sure of that

Even beginners will enjoy as piloting a ju52 is quite easy.

[kissklas]

Also the Ju-52 is the first aircraft to expand the gameplay mechanics of the current modules which again is an improvement to the overall product.

 

Agreed. This isn't so much about the aircraft itself as it is about the gameplay feature it enables. Having support type roles gives depth to the gameplay.

Having designated planes for that role, especially slower and less protected ones that needs to stay out of combat and well guarded,

can be really interesting if the mission builders take advantage of this.

 

And they have already done this before with the support Pe-2 and He 111, although only for things like delivering cargo to friendly bases.

Increasing the risk and the reward for playing a support role through cargo and para drops in hot areas would be a good way to make support fun to play.

 

I really hope the Ju 52 becomes popular, and that the Russian side gets an equivalent at some point:)

[No601_Swallow]

May the fighters have mercy on Tante Ju cruising at a whooping 190 km/h as the Bostons breeze beyond 500 km/h

 

...but the situation is still terrible for that tri-motor beauty.

 

Lucas, it's about simming, old boy, and using the game in a variety of different ways. My squadron often (if the mission designer is sadistic enough) does escort missions. I can't wait to be in a '52, dependent on my squadron-mates to punch a hole in the opposition that I can get through, or to navigate to and land at Pitomnik in the face of blizzards, or simply fly in a beautiful bird!    I'm going to have a lot of fun and satisfaction in my Ju 52!

 

Edit: But I'm also looking forward to the Boston, and to Han's 3D modellers getting to work on a Dakota/Li-2. My greed knows no bounds!

Edited September 26, 2016 by No601_Swallow

[334th_sputnik66]

I read Li-2's dropped bombs out of the side doors over Stalingrad. Should definitely be included.

 

Actually Li-2s had bomb racks installed too and were used as bombers, not sure exactly what theatre. Same thing with Yak-6 airplanes.

 

I personally think yes we need as much variety in the game as possible not just across the fronts but in terms of different types of airplanes. A Tb-3 and Li-2 would be great additions because they were used in so many roles and well they are both legendary in their own right.

Edited September 27, 2016 by sputnik66

[ShamrockOneFive]

To be fair without any ingame footage or detailed information on the new gameplay mechanics this isn't too suprisig. Depending on how well it will turn out I imagine sales might increase significantly once people can actually get a real taste of what it will be like ingame.

 

Also the Ju-52 is the first aircraft to expand the gameplay mechanics of the current modules which again is an improvement to the overall product.

 

Well said 5tuka!

I would say moreover, the junkers 52 will attract players outside our current player base.

I am sure that many flight simmer would love to fly the ju52/dc3 variants in transport missions (in solo and multi)

I am quite sure of that

Even beginners will enjoy as piloting a ju52 is quite easy.

 

This is what I've been saying as well. I wouldn't mind transport pilot jobs or even better... doing some air drops with cargo or paratroopers. I just hope those things can be fun to do and well integrated into the campaign.

 

There are probably a whole bunch of fun we can have just piloting the Ju52 in non combat type roles. It'll be interesting to see how many people do get onboard and buy it. I haven't... but I likely would mostly to support development.

[Feathered_IV]

I wouldn't count on it. If I remember correctly Jason mentioned that they weren't exactly stunned by the number of Ju-52s sold

 

 

I hadn't seen that anywhere.  Any idea where I can find it?

[Asgar]

I hadn't seen that anywhere. Any idea where I can find it?

I think it was during the TS Q&A session

[ShamrockOneFive]

I think it was during the TS Q&A session

 

It wasn't mentioned there. I would also be curious where that info came from.

[hames123]

How would paratroopers be implemented? Would they just land and trigger an airfield to change sides, or could we drop them over an area of heavy flak and watch as the survivors rush to the guns and destroy them?

[Neil]

You can attack it from all direction.

 

It is slow, big, not well defended, and very fragile.

 

I am sure that soviet figthers can not wait to do "ju52 party" in the mp...

That is why they love the ju52! 

[Asgar]

Very fragile? Are you sure you're talking about the Ju-52?

[InProgress]

I can see huge ju52 casualties... most of my mission with ju87 ends in being shot down due to lack of escort. Yesterday i was lucky to get fw190 to escort me which shot russian who thought he found easy target i wish fighter pilots would focus more on escorting that flying around and fighting random planes.

[BlitzPig_EL]

The C47 was flyable in HSFX for '46.

 

No one flew it more than a couple times because as I have said before, it's a slow ride to a smoking hole in the ground.

 

Without massive, dedicated escort, it (and any transport in a sim/game environment) is a piece of low hanging fruit for every fighter pilot to pluck at his leisure.

 

With the typical server sizes we have in BoX, if two to four folks attempt to run a transport flight, every other fighter on their side had better be there with them, or they will be toast.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

It is funny but I have dozens and dozens of supply missions on DED and TAW and I was never intercepted.

 

Anyway, the Luftwaffe transport branch is complete with the 52 on early years and the 111 later on.

 

I hope the Russians can get a transport too because I really love to hunt deep behind enemy lines. A C47 can be used on pacific too and would be a nice addition. Maybe we can bring some Microsoft flight simulator pilots to fly transport on combat. Maybe some advertisement and great community videos can do the sales magic.

Edited October 3, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[Neil]

No one flew it more than a couple times because as I have said before, it's a slow ride to a smoking hole in the ground.

Had it objectives and reward, because it requires that to encourage people to fly it.

Also his cockpit was... far from realist as well...

A lot of people fly bombers... it is dangerous, especially on the he111, However, many fly it, because there is big reward! when you drop 2tons of bombs! well it worth the sacrifice.

For the transports: First give it an associated gameplay/objectives/rewards and I am sure that some will fly it on mp

Well we will see! you might be surprised!

 

moreover, I will say that some people said the same as yourself when the first stuka and he111 was introduced in the original il2.

Things are changing and evolving 

Edited October 3, 2016 by Nil

[InProgress]

It is funny but I have dozens and dozens of supply missions on DED and TAW and I was never intercepted

I don't know how those mission looks like but when you fly somewhere to destroy ground targets there will most likely be enemy planes to protect it.

[6./ZG26_Gielow]

I don't know how those mission looks like but when you fly somewhere to destroy ground targets there will most likely be enemy planes to protect it.

You fly supply missions taking off from a main airbase and you need to land on a front line airfield to deliver your cargo.

 

Russians do not patrol deep behind on german lines because a single bullet on radiators can be the end. Trying to get supply planes closing in to airfields is pretty dangerous because we have flak and radar alerting our 109s.

 

Flying cargo planes is not suicide like some people wanna suggest and I bet that those guys never scored a 111 supply kill on line. Actually, flying supply missions with your friends is really fun if you are not a tight minded wanna be Hartmann.

Edited October 3, 2016 by 6./ZG26_Gielow

[[TWB]80hd]

Glorious People's Li-2 was great plane...

 

 

Transport all kind of thing....

 

 

Yes, all kind of thing, tovarisch!  

[BMA_FlyingShark]

 

 

80hd' timestamp='1475524274' post='396673'] Glorious People's Li-2 was great plane..

Beautiful plane, looks a bit like a DC 3 to me.

 

  

[[TWB]80hd]

Beautiful plane, looks a bit like a DC 3 to me.

 

  

 

License built copy!