I-16, deploying flaps and wheels at same time.

[Xenunjeon88]

Is it weird that you can deploy flaps and wheels at same time? Because both need to be handcranked and it takes quite a while for both, yet while both hands are busy cranking (phrasing), you can still throw the stick around like you have an extra 2 hands holding the stick.

 

Is this noteworthy to anyone? 

[L3Pl4K]

Ask the Devs to fix it.

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

Yep, maybe as an additional setting. Would also apply to 109s though, with their trim/flaps wheels and a couple other aircraft. 

[69th_chuter]

--> Phrasing <-- 

 

WAIT!  I had something for this! 

 

lol  -  Love that show but there just aren't enough episodes!  I may have to change my name to Doctor Algernop Krieger but then I'd be limited to the German side, being a possible clone of Hitler and all ...

 

 

Extra hands?  I don't know, I have no idea if the engine allows limiting certain combinations of commands or not.  Ultimately it's all just code, tho.  My big tweak is the lack of polar moments.  lol

[Pupo]

let me remind you that cliffs of dover implemented this feature where you could only perform anthropomorphically correct actions and it was a disaster. Technically, it is a very hard feature to implement correctly since detecting when a joystick is sending player inputs or noise is not trivial, which resulted in actions being interrupted (e.g.: flap deployment on 109 would be interrupted by a throttle spike) or not executed at all. In my experience this particular feature made the game unplayable, due to poor quality pots on my joystick and throttle, i was not able to deploy flaps, or move any other lever on the plane since it was always being registered as me controling these 2 controls.

 

Also, even when correctly implemented, it must be noted that it is a very counter-intuitive feature. It forces you to think what you would be able to do on the plane with the actual plane controls, rather on what you can do with the controls you have. One can argue that realism takes precedence over game-play quality though.

 

All in all, this feature may seem easy to implement, but it requires a considerable amount of research to guarantee that the final implementation is not detrimental to the user experience. For what is worth, and based on CLOD's implementation, I think it's a terrible idea (albeit, with good intentions).

 

cheers!

[6./ZG26_5tuka]

They tried this in Clod with their "Antropomorphic controlls" setting which coused quite a lot of trouble in the original game (TF had to disable this feauture). Don't think they'll return to this concept anytime soon if at all.

[69th_chuter]

Good points Pupo, I forgot about my quickly disabling "anthro".

[seafireliv]

Is it weird that you can deploy flaps and wheels at same time? Because both need to be handcranked and it takes quite a while for both, yet while both hands are busy cranking (phrasing), you can still throw the stick around like you have an extra 2 hands holding the stick.

 

Is this noteworthy to anyone? 

 

Yes it bothers me. I always liked the immersive feel of having to do one or the other in IL2. It also gave me a small idea as to the work the real pilots had to do in their I16s. I did this in the early American F4Fs as well, my first education that their aircraft gears were also handcranked!  That`s what I loved about IL2- I learned stuff.

 

I don`t see what was wrong with just tapping the keys to get the gears down as representing hand-cranking. There should be an OPTION to hand crank the wheels. Peitition the Devs. I`ll support you.

Edited September 13, 2016 by seafireliv

[Jade_Monkey]

I also noticed. Not worth the trouble.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Jade_Monkey

[216th_Jordan]

handcranking would be nice though. Or pushing a button as long as it has to do the arm work Like with rpm on the Pe-2 35.

[Jade_Monkey]

handcranking would be nice though. Or pushing a button as long as it has to do the arm work Like with rpm on the Pe-2 35.

I would finally do some exercise!!

 

God that Pe2 rpm is terrible.

Edited September 14, 2016 by Jade_Monkey

[LLv34_Temuri]

Would also apply to 109s though, with their trim/flaps wheels and a couple other aircraft. 

Can you elaborate? The trim and flaps wheels on the 109 were designed so that you can rotate both at the same time with one hand, so that when you deploy the flaps, the overall trim doesn't change.

[Bando]

The landing gear and flaps are normally only used for landing. So if you're bothered that it can be operated simultaneously, while that is not correct, then you operate them not simultaneously, but one by one.

 

Problem solved? What do you care how other people use this.

[=WH=PangolinWranglin]

No, no, no, no! he has his feet on the pedals, his knees are on the flight stick and his hands on the cranks. It's all equal because... uh... communism. Yes! That's it! 

[Cybermat47]

No, no, no, no! he has his feet on the pedals, his knees are on the flight stick and his hands on the cranks. It's all equal because... uh... communism. Yes! That's it!

 

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Edited September 14, 2016 by Cybermat47